Is duping paints considered "cheating"?

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Risco
Yes it is, it is playing the game in a way that was not intended. I hate cheaters with a passion, whether it is real life or in games. They say it does not affect anyone else, but PD have brought in the restrictions because people have duped! Not only that but the scum tried to sell the cars on ebay. The dupers have ruined it for everyone else, just play the damn game. It does seem that PD do listen ( experience points increased for example ) So I am sure if there was enough noise, they would adjust the credit payments or allow us to sell any car.
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We're talking about paint here. Paint.
I've been waiting since the game was released to get a specific color yellow. I finally found a paint chip for it. If I use it, it's gone forever. So if I dupe it so I can paint two cars the same color you "hate me with a passion"?

It's worth noting that in nearly any other game on the planet I'd simply select that color from the palette and paint away. Or in reality for that matter.
 
dudeondacouch
This brings me to a question.

To those who consider duping a paint chip to be cheating:

If I were to dupe a paint chip (which I have in the past), you would consider this cheating. What if each time I duped a paint chip, I bought a Kart and then sold it straight away? Would the few thousand credits I "spent" on getting a duplicate chip make you happy?

(Please note that I don't care at all whether or not you are happy, and have no actual plans to implement this. I just want to see what your rationale is.)
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As long as your ok with your God after all is said and done then do what ever you want. Maybe give a little to charity every now and then to appease your God.

If you ever start duping beige then I'd probably re-consider my lifes journey though.
 
brennonyo
Duping is not cheating. Its just another way of playing the game.
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Yeah, it's called cheating. But if that's what you need to tell yourself to feel better, then go for it. Still cheating though.


When you gift a paint (or a car) to someone, you LOSE that paint (or car). You gave it away.

Reloading your saved game afterwards to get the paint (or car) back is cheating the system, plain & simple. You already gave it away, it's supposed to be gone.



My question is: if people have to cheat on a video game, how sucessful do they really think they'll be in life? No wonder the world is full of scammers nowdays.
 
I guess this thread cna be locked and stowed away now. I think all possible opinions have been aired.

As for "the way the game was intended to be played", the paint chip system is a moronic "way" IMO.
 
WalkerInTN
Yeah, it's called cheating. But if that's what you need to tell yourself to feel better, then go for it. Still cheating though.


When you gift a paint (or a car) to someone, you LOSE that paint (or car). You gave it away.

Reloading your saved game afterwards to get the paint (or car) back is cheating the system, plain & simple. You already gave it away, it's supposed to be gone.



My question is: if people have to cheat on a video game, how sucessful do they really think they'll be in life? No wonder the world is full of scammers nowdays.
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THIS

But after the fact and one more time for good measure...

WHO CARES IF ITS CHEATING? As in WHY do people feel the need to justify themselves. At least some people in this thread posted that they do it and they are proud of it and thats it. To everyone else who needs to make up an excuse, get a grip, its just a game why do you feel the need to justify yourself?!?!
 
gambleboyen
I guess this thread cna be locked and stowed away now. I think all possible opinions have been aired.

As for "the way the game was intended to be played", the paint chip system is a moronic "way" IMO.
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No arguement there. Since you have to pay for it, you should be able to paint a car any color you want to. That's how it works in the real world.

Imagine going to a bodyshop to get a car painted, but the guy tells you he doesn't have & can't get the color you want. He'd be out of business within a week!
 
It's cheating, but the paint chip system is retarded enough to justify it:grumpy:

Anyways, you play it your way, I'll play it my way;)
 
Milldrum
Your just taking your can of 'Hemi Orange' down to the local hardware store, matching the color and stealing it's mate.

What about the hardware store? Don't you care about local jobs in your area?

Maybe you could buy a cheap car from UCD and then sell it straight away to be able to offset any financial gains come tax time.
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Could be one of the more horrific responses ever...Are they really that stupid?​

Really? You are going to lose local jobs because I made an extra copy of Hemi orange in my video game? I think you need to quit smoking the Vegemite, mate...


As for duping being cheating? Bullspit! It's another way to play the game. It gives you absolutely no more of an illegal advantage over anyone else in the game any more than the X2010, more horsepower, or better tires does when you race or just grind for your cars. I read somewhere on these posts where "cheating is having an unfair advantage"... LMAO. I guess Mark Donohue and Ayrton Senna were the world's greatest cheaters if you believe that definition...


It's a video game. Part of the gamesmanship is to exploit the software writer's mistakes, tricks, and hidden benefits. Bug or intended. Anybody remember the extra stuff you could find on GT5 Prologue? Was that cheating because not everyone knew it was there? I hate to dump on all you altar boys and convent bound lady drivers, but I am willing to lay good money on the fact that every gamer in here has cheated or taken advantage of something. Unless of course you are not human, and when I read some of these replies I must admit I wonder. Whether it was flipping an extra card playing solitaire, keeping an extra nickel of change from the store, there are no saints playing GT5. Guaranteed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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WalkerInTN
My question is: if people have to cheat on a video game, how sucessful do they really think they'll be in life? No wonder the world is full of scammers nowdays.
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I cheat at video games all the time. Always have, all the way back to the days of Game Genie and the Sega Genesis, and guess what? I'll continue cheating at games far into the future. Why? Because it's fun for me. And guess what? I am very successful in life. I have a great job and a great life, I am a law abiding citizen and a hard worker as well. Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Working hard to achieve something in a video game seems so pointless to me, but having access to whatever I want is fun. Video games aren't reality and if I work for 10 hour at my job I don't want to come home and grind away to get what I want on a digital level. Grinding away in real life for some tangible? Ya that makes sense. Video games are a way to escape the daily grind and just have fun.

If people find duping content to increase their enjoyment out of the game then who cares. It doesn't make them less of a person. I find it pretty ridiculous you seem to think people who cheat at video games are somehow lower ranked in society.
 
If you're afraid of duping colors is cheating here is your solution:

The following colors are published under GPL (General Painting Licence)
so everybody may feel free to copy them

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Rules:
  • It is fully legal to copy one of the above provided colors and paint them to any car/rim you like.
  • All painted items have to provide a sticker telling the color is under GPL.
  • Any colored item may not restrict the right of further copying the color to the next item.

Please spead this post to everybody who fears for the insanety of his soul by duping colors.
 
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To the OP, I'm curious as to why you're even asking.
It's inconsequential whether you worried if it is or isn't cheating. You're free to make your own decision whether it is or isn't, and you're free to decide - regardless whether you conclude it's cheating or not - if you will duplicate or not...
(I'd speculate, though, that if you're concerned enough to ask, you're asking the question with a preconceived notion that it either probably or definitely is. That being said, it just leaves you with a choice to make.)

My opinion is that in theory it is cheating, regardless whether it's paint or cars, even if you're not doing so to gain some sort of advantage. (Of course, whether you agree or disagree, such is my opinion.)
To expand, I have issues with people duping cars. I personally abhor it. I would never do it, and it annoys me darn near to the point of hurt that my ongoing effort to acquire all 1,000+ cars through normal gameplay is rendered meaningless because of the the quicker and easier method that is duping. (Meaningless or not, it's how I've chosen to play the game, so it's what I'm doing.) Because I abhor it and that's my point of view, I have made the effort to not let the duping of cars have an impact on how I play the game, so I could care less if others want to take that route.
Furthermore, although I personally would never do it myself, I have no issue with anyone duping paint. Yes, the paint system is silly, but that's not why it doesn't bother me. The way I see it, as long as you got the car properly, it's nothing but a matter of visual taste and/or personal choice as to the color you want it in. (Besides, it's not like 100% of the cars in the game can even be painted.)

As an aside, I must thank the person that posted the comment about PD duping cars. (I say so purely for comical effect, but) I didn't know Charlie Sheen at his craziest played GT5 - cool!
You do realize that statement is beyond bogus, right? PD has gone though the proper channels to legally include representations of cars in their game. If PD is duping cars, by the same logic the video game industry as a whole would seem to be the largest weapons smuggling group on the planet.

Peace...
 
No because the Paint Chip System is idiotic and I hate it :grumpy:
(by the way surely if you dupe a paint chip won't you have to repaint the car :confused:)
 
strngz0731
To the OP, I'm curious as to why you're even asking.
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It was merely to measure opinion, although I didnt want to make a poll because so many just vote without leaving their argument for their choice.

And for me, I don't really care if people think paint duping is cheating, because again, the paint chip system is the worst feature I've ever come across in a racing game.
 
No it isn't if you have earnt the paint in the first place, at the end of the day it's only a colour that you recieve randomly. I don't have to dupe, I just paint something crappy in a nice colour, Daihatsu Midget anyone. then send it to my brother who gains that paint chip, and then he sends it back and I get it the paint chip again. So I can have as many cars as I want in my favourite colours. Winner:tup:
 
barmyclown
No it isn't if you have earnt the paint in the first place, at the end of the day it's only a colour that you recieve randomly. I don't have to dupe, I just paint something crappy in a nice colour, Daihatsu Midget anyone. then send it to my brother who gains that paint chip, and then he sends it back and I get it the paint chip again. So I can have as many cars as I want in my favourite colours. Winner:tup:
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Hah, that's awesome. :)
Have you ever had a chrome Daihatsu Midget? lol
 
Joey D
I cheat at video games all the time. Always have, all the way back to the days of Game Genie and the Sega Genesis, and guess what? I'll continue cheating at games far into the future. Why? Because it's fun for me. And guess what? I am very successful in life. I have a great job and a great life, I am a law abiding citizen and a hard worker as well. Maybe you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

Working hard to achieve something in a video game seems so pointless to me, but having access to whatever I want is fun. Video games aren't reality and if I work for 10 hour at my job I don't want to come home and grind away to get what I want on a digital level. Grinding away in real life for some tangible? Ya that makes sense. Video games are a way to escape the daily grind and just have fun.

If people find duping content to increase their enjoyment out of the game then who cares. It doesn't make them less of a person. I find it pretty ridiculous you seem to think people who cheat at video games are somehow lower ranked in society.
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Joey said what I was thinking 👍

The paint chip system is a poorly-implemented method to extend replayability, since it has absolutely no relation to painting a car in real life. When I finally found Estorilblau Metallic and Samba Green Pearl (before they were available in the UCD, meaning daily gifts only), I definitely duplicated them. I shouldn't have to wait on a lottery for a paint colour (slightly rectified with the UCD fix of 1.06, but I still shouldn't have to buy an entire car for a colour).

If people don't want to, and see it as cheating, that's fine, I'm not going to tell them they're playing their game wrong.
 
WalkerInTN
Reloading your saved game afterwards to get the paint (or car) back is cheating the system, plain & simple. You already gave it away, it's supposed to be gone.

My question is: if people have to cheat on a video game, how sucessful do they really think they'll be in life? No wonder the world is full of scammers nowdays.
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Dear Sir: Your post is insane. You relate paint/car duping to potential life success? Try this one: I could spend days upon days grinding to collect the cars I have duped (X1, most of the 60s race cars, several very expensive multi million dollar modern race cars). Yup, I could sit there for hour after hour grinding at events I don't really care about just so I can sit there and spend even MORE time finally driving the car I wanted in the first place. OR I could spend that time learning a musical instrument at a relatively high level, finishing my university degree, and being with girlfriend, family and friends.

Now, which choice do you think will set me up to be "successful at life"?
:sly:

Enjoy watching your Bspec Bob fly around Indy in an X2010 until you can buy the car you want. I will be living.

PS: None of my "cheating" has affected anyone else's gameplay in the least. I only use cars appropriate to the lobby I happen to be in while online. In fact, my "cheating" has made other people have a good time: I have gifted Ferrari 330s, X1s, and other cars to people who can now get more enjoyment from the game they paid for.
 
WalkerInTN
My question is: if people have to cheat on a video game, how sucessful do they really think they'll be in life? No wonder the world is full of scammers nowdays.
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People with average intelligence can distinguish when cheating is harmless and risk free, and when cheating is undermining ones ability to overcome odds.

come on.....it's a virtual paint chip in a video game, it has no effect on your ability and progress except you can do the logical thing of painting the car in a color you like.

I wonder how successful people can be if they can't even separate things that matter and things that don't, going through life with one rule and no flexibility gets you nowhere.
 
gambleboyen
I've made a new account so I can multiply my paints to paint and repaint my cars in any colours I want (of the colours I already own that is).

Is this cheating? Will I be hated? :sly:

Oh and I'm not duping matte or chrome paints because they look like crap. :ouch:
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If you really, really care, then my answer to you is: You can't get a little bit pregnant. :) If you're the type of person that likes to do stuff like this, and then chastise others for duping cars, then I'm sorry, this just makes you a hypocrite.

If you feel that you have the right enjoy the game that you paid for in whatever way that pleases you (and wish the same for others), then you're fine, regardless of the "consequences". :)
 
Duping colors is not cheating. Has any real racing event ever claimed a new car color for that driver or team. It's just a gimmick to make you think there is more to the game than there really is. Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining, since I never pay attention to the color. I really enjoy the game, but this is just "fluff" content. Personally, I think all paint should be available (given or available for purchase).
 
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swervesauce
If you consider high end cars cheating but not low end cars, then that theory is like saying cheating on your wife with an ugly gal isn't cheating but dip in the fruits of Eva Mendes and you're toast. When I think of cheating in a game (real life or virtual), I think of gaining an advantage. In no way shape or form is obtaining a car or duplicating a car giving you or anyone an advantage, nor is duplicating paints. I do it all day long and haven't become the worlds best driver. To each his own, too. I've never commented on this topic thus far and don't plan to defend my stance. Play the game however you get the most enjoyment out of it. If that's having all 20 or so X1's or your whole garage matt black (me!) then do it to it player :)
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Don't worry must people on gtp don't have wifes :) joke of course
 
To the OP:
Sorry, I guess I read your original post incorrectly.
For some reason, I had the impression that you were legitimately concerned about the topic. Unfortunately, upon reading it again after your reply to my post, that doesn't appear to be the case...
(That little ":sly:" makes me think this might've been just another pointless "flaming/baiting" thread, of which I foolishly took the "bait"...)

To the folks who are questioning the character of a person based solely on their choice to dupe:
You need to give that up. There's simply no called for reason to be blindly and insensitively judgmental.

To the folks who are trying to justify duping as harmess:
You need to give that up. It doesn't make it 'OK' just because you can get away with it and you believe nobody gets hurt. A 'victimless' crime is still a crime.

There really is no "right" or "wrong" side as it relates to this topic, but everyone needs to remember (to use a analogous but not perfectly parallel comparison), Robin Hood took from the rich and gave to the poor.
a. Robin Hood's thievery alone doesn't provide a complete picture.
b. Regardless of how justifyable it was, Robin Hood was a thief.

The only "right" thing(s) to do are to respect the choice/opinions of others, and to treat others with proper respect.
The only "wrong" thing(s) to do are to disregard the choice/opinion of others, and to act without regard to the impact on others.

Peace...
 
strngz0731
To the OP:
Sorry, I guess I read your original post incorrectly.
For some reason, I had the impression that you were legitimately concerned about the topic. Unfortunately, upon reading it again after your reply to my post, that doesn't appear to be the case...
(That little ":sly:" makes me think this might've been just another pointless "flaming/baiting" thread, of which I foolishly took the "bait"...)

To the folks who are questioning the character of a person based solely on their choice to dupe:
You need to give that up. There's simply no called for reason to be blindly and insensitively judgmental.

To the folks who are trying to justify duping as harmess:
You need to give that up. It doesn't make it 'OK' just because you can get away with it and you believe nobody gets hurt. A 'victimless' crime is still a crime.

There really is no "right" or "wrong" side as it relates to this topic, but everyone needs to remember (to use a analogous but not perfectly parallel comparison), Robin Hood took from the rich and gave to the poor.
a. Robin Hood's thievery alone doesn't provide a complete picture.
b. Regardless of how justifyable it was, Robin Hood was a thief.

The only "right" thing(s) to do are to respect the choice/opinions of others, and to treat others with proper respect.
The only "wrong" thing(s) to do are to disregard the choice/opinion of others, and to act without regard to the impact on others.

Peace...
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/thread.. hope it can be locked now.
 
I don't dupe - well I only have one PSN account so it would not be possible to!

In respect of duping paints, I don't consider this to be cheating because the paints are not available to buy. If they were available to buy at a reasonable price then I would perhaps reconsider my stance on this. I do, however, consider the duping of cars to be cheating - because they are available to buy in the game. Does that make sense? Just my opinion...
 
strngz0731
.To the folks who are trying to justify duping as harmess:
You need to give that up. It doesn't make it 'OK' just because you can get away with it and you believe nobody gets hurt. A 'victimless' crime is still a crime.
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But there is no crime being committed in the first place. There is nothing illegal about duplicating something in a video game.
 
grrlpurple
In respect of duping paints, I don't consider this to be cheating because the paints are not available to buy.
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Interesting viewpoint, but technically they are available to buy; every paint chip in the game is associated with a make and model of car (sometimes more than one). It can make it a costly proposition, but it is an available option.
 
grrlpurple
I don't dupe - well I only have one PSN account so it would not be possible to!

In respect of duping paints, I don't consider this to be cheating because the paints are not available to buy. If they were available to buy at a reasonable price then I would perhaps reconsider my stance on this. I do, however, consider the duping of cars to be cheating - because they are available to buy in the game. Does that make sense? Just my opinion...
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I agree, although it is up to anyone if they cheat in a game or not really. I prefer not to in GT5 in terms of gameplay, but have duped silver and gold chrome paint chips between two accounts, because I never got them randomly. Not too many though (I only wanted 6 silver and 2 gold because they look tacky on most cars!)

I also traded some rare-ish cars for the initial chips, and "accepted" an F10 as a bonus but partly because I had just grinded for the F2007 and wasn't sure if I would ever be bothered enough to do the same for the F10 :)
 

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