Is the GT-R the best car in the world right now for the money?

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400 F40's were intended for production. they ended up building 3 times as much due the supercar boom of early 90's. Park a GT-R somewhere and you will gather a crowd like that. Also, owners are reporting about stalkers following them around. And if the amount of GT-R's crashed by now are any indication, it IS "passionate" and "outrageous" to drive.
 
The amount of crashed GT-Rs has nothing to do with how passionate or outrageous it is to drive. That is simply, an awful conclusion to come to. For all we know, morons trying to street race could be the cause of GT-R wrecks.

And a GT-R only gathers a crowd around the right cars. Park a Veyron near it, nobody will care there's a Nissan 2 cars behind it.
 
Have you happened to check the new convertible with the BMW's dual clutch tranny? that's pretty damn far off. At the moment, BMW's only hope to get close to GT-R is bringing out M3 CLS or CSL or whatever that acronym was.
 
it has been parked near Viper ACR, porsche 911 Turbo/GT3/younameit and it still pulled greater crowd. why? because it lives up to the hype.
 
At the Concours I was at more people were more interested in the Reventón then the GT-R parked next to it. I think the biggest crowd puller though was the Saleen S7. The only people around the GT-R were very young teenagers all talking about how the GT-R could beat any one of the Concours cars in both beauty and performance...which made me laugh.

Oh and the crash comment only proves that money does not buy driving skill.
 
Oh and the crash comment only proves that money does not buy driving skill.
In addition to that it proves very well that the GT-R isn't a car that magically breaks lap records by itself while the driver dials in the desired lap time and sits back.
 
Also, owners are reporting about stalkers following them around.

Stalkers. Yeah, that's what I'd call desirable attention! Supercars are appreciated, not stalked...

And if the amount of GT-R's crashed by now are any indication, it IS "passionate" and "outrageous" to drive.

Biggest load of tosh you've come out with so far. All that means is that the idiots who buy them think that this magical car will make up for their terrible lack of skill:

In addition to that it proves very well that the GT-R isn't a car that magically breaks lap records by itself while the driver dials in the desired lap time and sits back.
 
Yeah, money doesn't buy skill, I can agree with that. It also proves that GT-R isn't easy to drive at the limits when driven by someone who isn't skilled at that. This applies to any powerful car, not only supercars. And while Reventon might pull more crowd than GT-R, it is just another version of Murcielago, just like GT3 is just another 911.
 
All that means is that the idiots who buy them think that this magical car will make up for their terrible lack of skill:
An excellent way of twisting my words to suit your needs, congratulations! You might be surprised if you took a look at the main GT-R thread and saw how many people seriously thought the car was fast only because it drove itself.

Because it handles extremely well it's a bad thing because it's unpassionate and makes everyone drive like Schumacher. Then when it's proven that it takes a very good driver to push it to the limits it's a bad thing because it clearly doesn't handle. There was a time when it was believed to produce 550+ bhp, it was lousy because it had that much power and still had a top speed below 200 mph. Then when it was (more or less, there still are those who refuse to believe) proven that it has the quoted 480 bhp it was a bad thing because it costs too much for the power. Etc etc.

Can someone say the GT-R has been given a fair chance? I can't.

I know at least one person who will probably again accuse me of defending the car in every turn without realizing that he's mocking it himself just as much if not more. To this day I haven't understood why it's completely OK to accuse Nissan of cheating and to bash the car mercilessly regardless of the facts but defending it is immediately classed as fanboyism.

About it being the best car in the world for the money, it depends on the person. My car is greatly better than the GT-R for my use and I paid 2000€ for it plus some 700€ for overall improvements. It has nine times the cargo capacity of the GT-R, consumes significantly less fuel and I'll never have to worry about the computers going nuts.
 
An excellent way of twisting my words to suit your needs, congratulations! You might be surprised if you took a look at the main GT-R thread and saw how many people seriously thought the car was fast only because it drove itself.

Was that sarcasm or were you agreeing with me? The way you've worded it makes it hard to tell! Either way, I was agreeing with you - it's an amazing car but I think too many people believe it transcends the laws of physics, which is why a number have been crashed already.
 
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The M3 isn't really that far off from a GT-R.

Which is odd, because you save $10K at the start and likely won't find over-inflated prices. When was the last time you heard that about a German performance car?

(har har)
 
Actually, as much a fan I am of the M3, I would say in terms of sheer performance, the GT-R completely outclasses it. I wouldn't even describe it as "close".

Road & Track just did a big comparo test which included the GT-R and M3. The GT-R, which came in 3rd behind the Gallardo LP560-4, Viper SRT10 ACR and 911 GT2 showed some consistently excellent lap times, running well in line with the top dogs.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=6944

On the big track at Willow, it was 5.69 seconds (91.23) ahead of the M (96.92). That's a beatdown. To put that into perspective, that's more than three times the spread between the M3 and the last place Evo X MR (98.37).

Of course, you could say the M3 did surprisingly well considering it's heft and multi-purpose mission. It did beat the track-dedicated Exige S 240, no mean feat.

Anyway, I think only a (purely theoretical) M6 CSL would have a shot at the GT-R. Of course, I just read an interview in which the top brass at BMW M says they've already killed the M3 CSL program.


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I was thinking of the M6 as a good car to compare the GT-R too, but I hadn't realized they raised the price on the car. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't it debut at a little over $80K? I can't remember, but the $100K price tag just seems a bit "high" these days.

Still, as someone who poo-pooed the idea of the M3 to start, after seeing several in person and reading/watching all of the reviews, I'm very impressed. Especially with the otherwise "affordable" price tag.
 
No, it's always been ~$100k in North America. 10k more than the M5. The stock M6 is tuned for the GT mission, not for lap times.


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Yes, I don't like the looks of the 612 Scaglietti particularly either. And I agree with you guys that it sure is the softest ferrari around. But despite that, I still think it's a supercar.
I was just taking a cheap shot at a car that deserves to have cheap shots taken at it. I'm ignoring the whole "612 is a supercar" debate because the 599 really screwed up my perspective of Ferraris.
 
it has been parked near Viper ACR, porsche 911 Turbo/GT3/younameit and it still pulled greater crowd. why? because it lives up to the hype.

It didn't live up to all of the hype at all. Nissan hyped the hell out of the GT-R when it ran the 'Ring, purposely trying to point out that the GT-R could run with the best supercars, without actually saying that. But once the GT-R was on other tracks, the hype was nothing but hot air, showing that a GT-R isn't a competitor amongst Zonda Fs or Carrera GTs.

And what about the ACR or GT3 that didn't live up to the hype? Last I checked, those 2 were far from hyped about anything. The GT3 did exactly what it was supposed to do. And the ACR out did everything. The Viper ACR had zero hype. Most folks did not think a Viper would out the greatest, but it did. The ACR Viper is an underdog in the automotive world.

BTW, what proof do you have that a GT-R pulled a greater crowd than any other car? What event? What was there? I'm betting you just pulled that statement out of the rear to attempt to counter mine.

Yeah, money doesn't buy skill, I can agree with that. It also proves that GT-R isn't easy to drive at the limits when driven by someone who isn't skilled at that. This applies to any powerful car, not only supercars. And while Reventon might pull more crowd than GT-R, it is just another version of Murcielago, just like GT3 is just another 911.
That's an incredibly hilarious excuse. "It's still just a....".
Care to share anything more of that nature?
 
Good lord.

It's another version of the long, drawn-out GT-R thread. It's like Democrats vs Republicans in here. Seriously. I've SEEN those debates, and they closely mirror this one.

It's almost enough to make me say that "I Like the GT-R, I Don't need a Reason, Stop trying to prove to me that it's the best thing since sliced bread or the dumbest thing since Pet Rocks, and let's Just. Get. Over. It. At the end of the day, it's a car. It has an engine and four wheels. Is it worth becoming enemies over?"
 
I think most automotive enthusiast like the GT-R. I just think the problem lies with the uber fanboys that think the car in the next best thing to Jesus. This irritates some people who think the car is alright and as they go back and forth their opinions become more and more distant from one another.

I still like the GT-R, it's quite a sports car and it has very impressive performance. But I just dislike the extreme fans it has and therefore develop a bad taste in my mouth for the car. This happens with a lot of vehicles, the SRT-4, almost any Jeep, F-bodies, and Mustangs springs to mind.
 
I really don't know if there's a whole lot of fanboys here (Only one that I really can think of) But, yes, a fanbase can kinda ruin something for some people. Thing is, This debate is happening between groups of people I think are rather sensible. That's what worries me.

You technically could use the fanboy excuse about many cars, (Corvette, Porsche...*'hem* FERRARI) but it's THIS one....This one's causing a HUGE debate, that, in the past, has turned into a slugfest. What exactly is it that makes this automobile so polarizing? It can't just be the fanbase.
 
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Maybe it's that everyone is basically telling the truth about it, whether they be saying that it's a giant-slayer or saying it's an ugly Datsun. People then pick and choose the truths they want and inevitably the two sides meet... :lol:
 
So then it's EXACTLY like the Democrats and Republicans.

Or maybe it's the Exact Reverse. Whatever. That kind of makes me feel a little better about liking it.
 
lol, thats it? both seem like similar sportcars to me.

ferrari has a "legacy" with mid engine V8's too you know
 
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As I recall, wasn't it CAR Magazine who first coined the word "supercar" when describing the Lamborghini Muria all those years ago? By their standard, there was some level of performance matched with the fact that it was a halo car. These days it seems like its more or less a measure of how fast it can hit 60 MPH/100 KPH or what its top speed is.

By those measurements, that puts the Chevrolet Z06 and Ferrari F430 into 'Supercar' territory. But as the classic terminology goes, it should really only be limited to cars like the FXX and LP640, etc.

Meh and Meh.
 
what I meant is that Ford GT was successful car ever since it was first designed. F430 is more like trendy toy for business men with it's gazillion versions. it's no better than 911.
 
That has absolutely no measure on whether or not its a supercar or not, you have to understand that. For that matter, the Ford GT has nothing in common with the GT40 other than the similar shape. Considering that it has a pickup truck engine and a transmission out of a Mustang, I hardly see where that is some kind of immediate "upper" to the F430.

Prestige shouldn't be a pre-qualifier. Because if that is the case, the S7 or SCC Ultimate Aero wouldn't be in the running either.
 

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