is there any cars that can put up with Skylines?

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But can it beat my tuned Skyline? I've personally found the if you have an R34 around the 600Bhp and a fully tune Z Concept which is 601Bhp the Z concept will be consistently faster than the R34, a fully tuned Motorsports Elise which is roughly 360Bhp will be even quicker still, but thats alot lighter than both and benefits from the MR drive train.
 
Well for my research, I am in the process of running a 5?? hp rx-8 vs a 655hp r-tuned skyline.

The skyline benefits from adjustable df, but other than that, I think it is on the short end of this stick.

Both cars have a 2.0 pwr and that was the guideline for the comparo.

I will be in the complex string spot race throwing out times when I get the chance... busy tonight... catch you later.

I've decided to even the match more by getting something with an equal* curb weight. Back later.
 
I see. Obviously the Skyline is not a godly car in the game I just feel that when you said it sucked that was just plain injustice. Now that that's settled no more worries I don't think. I didn't mean to insult you so much, but I hate it when things are undercreditted.

Now I'm curious, are we sure that MR > FR? I have to agree because of how outstandingly the Esprits, GT40, etc. perform for their horsepowers. In fact I think I might start to use the GT40 as my 'main' car. But then again, some FRs like RX-7 (FD) are rediculously good for their horse power. I think the FD is the FR that has amazed me the most in this game. It seems like on a good tune it can match-up against almost anything (F1 and race cars set aside).

EDIT: What do you guys mean when you say 2.0 or 2.5 pwr?
 
pwr means Power to Weight Ratio. It's a way of equalizing different cars. 500 hp hauling around 3600 pounds will not do as well as 300 hp hauling around 1800 pounds, because the heavier car does not have as good a PWR as the lighter one, despite having 200 extra horsepower.
 
Originally posted by Drifting Thunda
EDIT: What do you guys mean when you say 2.0 or 2.5 pwr?
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It's the game being dim.

Power-to-weight ratio, as we all know, is measured in power units per weight units (like hp/tonne, or hp/ton, or PS/tonne and so on and so forth). But GT3 uses weight units per power units. So a car with a GT3 PWR of 2.500 has 2.5kg per horsepower, or 400hp/tonne. It's in your car's garage stats screen.
 
Out of curiosity I just ran a S2000 Type V vs. a Skyline GT-R R34, with the PWR for the Type V being 2.254 and for the R34 2.221. That's about 597 hp for the Skyline and 519 hp for the Type V, but the S2000 is just a roadster, so it has the obvious weight advantage. Anyway, at SSR5 the R34 pulled in a 1'20.400 and the Type V got a 1'21.678. While I'm sure I could pull better times with both cars if I wanted, these were the very first laps I ran with both. Maybe I'll go to a few more to see how they compare at other tracks.
 
But I corrected myself ... (:

Also, I did a search at GT3Times and found that the Mugen S2000 blows in comparison to all the other S2000s in the game. I find this odd because the Castrol Mugen NSX is quite nice.
 
Here are some more -
----Track----R34----Type V
Apricot Hill 1'18.059 1'19.591
Cote D' Azur 1'34.698 1'35.557
Laguna Seca 1'19.210 1'20.448

This really isn't conclusive evidence as far as anyone should be concerned, but it could be of some help. For the most part I would just say to go with whatever you like.
 
Originally posted by Naet
Out of curiosity I just ran a S2000 Type V vs. a Skyline GT-R R34, with the PWR for the Type V being 2.254 and for the R34 2.221. That's about 597 hp for the Skyline and 519 hp for the Type V, but the S2000 is just a roadster, so it has the obvious weight advantage.
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Sooo... The S2000 has a "weight advantage" because it is a roadster, but you've given the Skyline a superior power-to-weight ratio?

2.221 is 450hp/tonne. 2.254 is 443hp/tonne. What were the torque/weight ratios?

Again, all other things being equal, with two cars with the same power-to-weight ratio, the higher powered (or more importantly, higher-torqued) car will pull a better lap time. Run them both at the same PWR and see what results you get.

Furthermore, try for as close to stock as possible, as the different modifications have different effects on the cars.
 
That's about as close as I can get them. we're talking a very small difference between the two, like about a tenth of a second. In fact for a 2.254 pwr, the skyline would have to have 588 Hp, a drop of only 9 hp. I don't know that it would affect it any.
 
well theres not a car in the world that i dislike and i think the skyline is a pretty good car considering i think it started off as a stationwagon made by Prince Motor Company in 1955
 
And then after that it became a family car for a long time didn't it? Now the GT-R versions are like thouroughbred sports cars I guess.

I was just thinking, but I never really liked to think of different cars better than other cars because of and only because of PWR. I don't care if the Skyline has 5 pwr and the S2000 has 1 pwr and they get similar times on any given track. Fact is, that S2000 will never beat the Skyline. In the end, all the matters is that which is most important to this game; which is faster. The Skyline is faster. That is my conclusion. Sorry to possibly bring back the arguement. :banghead:
 
I dont like to think of cars as "better" but as far as real life cars go that could spank the skyline stock.. not many.. lotus v8 twin turbo..maybe the nsx, maybe the supra. I tend to think of the Skyline series as a circut car, because of its wheight it is not very well suited to touge racing.. (although many people use it that way) soo even a light low hp mr-s could beat one. Also with new japanese emission laws skyline is going to be phased out...Hence the new Fairlady which will have to step up and fill its shoes. Nissan built and designed it as a performance racer soooo many cars cant hold up stock in power but thats just an engineering decision.. as far as tuning potential goes id say the skyline isnt the best car. Also as far as handling goes the skyline is also not the best car.. Power, well how many drag teams use a skyline for a 1/4 mile?
 
Originally posted by Drifting Thunda
Well, there are a lot of cars that could pwn the Skyline stock for stock, but that's because the Skyline can't exceed 280 hp stock. :lol:
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Except they do. The R34 GT-R VspecII was rolling out of showrooms with 320hp+.

Because I'm a hybrider, I'm going to change the power of the S2000s engine so that it's PWR is identical to that of a fully tuned R34 Skyline GT-R Vspec - I don't currently know what that is for sure, but rest assured I'll do it properly (both cars will be fully modified, so that there is no disparity in parts - and I will leave the LSD off both as it's known to hamper the Skyline's handling), and see what the laptimes look like. The Skyline should have the advantage - as I said before, all things being equal, where two cars have the same PWR the car with most power should win. I don't know what tracks I'll run - probably Cote, Midfield and Trial Mountain for a nice mix.


As an aside, the Honda S2000 LM Race Car in GT3 is a quicker car than any of the Skyline JGTCs when fully tuned, even though the PWR and power ratings are similar (and the weight is the same - 1150kg).
 
320 hp Japanese cars? Got a link or something cuz I sure don't believe you entirely. The Japanese can't sell their cars above 280 hp from what i understand. Maybe that 320+ is at the crank, not at the wheels?

The LSD thing is not entirely true if you ask me, my Skylines run 2-way LSDs and they handle just fine thank you.
 
wrong.... the 280 hp is a "gentleman's" deal among the car companys. All of em broke it. The Evo7 was cranking 320 as well as the R34. (Manufacturer's HP claims are all based on crank not at the wheels)

The skyline will be back.. the R35 concept is out and in 2007 there will be a USDM version of it rolling around w/ an Infiniti badge. my friend has an R33 in real life. Drive the car in real life and then talk. A game can only go so far. the Skyline is an awesome car (IMO).
 
I believe the LSD's affect the skyline fairly badly. My one shining example of this would be at laguna, on the one long, high speed corner before the corkscrew. Most of my cars I can gun it and if I hit it just right, of course, I don't have to slow down at all, I just mash the gas and go all the way to the corkscrew. But when I have the lsd's on my skyline, I go shooting straight off the road and into the sand. I have the same problem with the Speed 12 for the same reason.

np
 
Well, I'm sure if you got used to the 2-way LSD you could do some nifty things. I'll admit I have to slow down a tad for that turn, but if you have a good understanding for what the 2-Way LSD does which I'm sure you do, then there are most certainly ways of using it in an advantageous manner. My thoughts are with the LSD more turns need to be drifted than with open differential. On some tracks open differential is undoubtedly better for Skyline, biggest example is at Cote d'Azure. I'm just noticing that for my driving style I do better on most tracks with a 2-way. This is to lose stability when entering a turn mostly.

Hey I just thought of something, try using a custom LSD and turn the accel effect as far off as it can go, and crank the decel effect up to 40. I bet that could get some good results eh? I think I'll try this in the near future myself.
 
I believe you are all forgetting to take into account the different characteristics of these cars. The S2000 is FR or MR(I don't have an S2000) whereas the Skyline is 4wd. This DOES matter. Not only that, but I find I use a different technique when using MR/FR cars compared to 4wd, I use the power to increase my turning speeds.

Now, onto my thoughts on the skyline. I think it's incredibly heavy and slow, but thats because I'm used to using FR's(mainly). Me and my friend raced an Arcade mode A class NSX vs. A class Skyline GT-R R32 on Seattle Circuit. My NSX creamed the Skyline, especially in the turns.
 
Originally posted by tasadar24
I believe you are all forgetting to take into account the different characteristics of these cars. The S2000 is FR or MR(I don't have an S2000) whereas the Skyline is 4wd. This DOES matter. Not only that, but I find I use a different technique when using MR/FR cars compared to 4wd, I use the power to increase my turning speeds.
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And that would be the point of the thread.

Drifting Thunda - it's all true. It was a "gentleman's agreement", to avoid getting in to a published horsepower war. The last of the NSXs was pushing 300hp, the R34 GT-R was on 320hp, the Scooby and Evos were regularly over 300hp (the latest Impreza Spec C is measured at 335hp at the wheel). But they all claimed 276hp (or 280PS).
 
FWIW I don't much like the AWD Skylines for racing. They look great, and tuned up are very fast, but they don't like to go around corners. By my own admission I'm not that great at tuning cars, but no matter what I do to it they just seem to suffer horrible understeer.
 
Originally posted by intoxicatedpete
The skyline will be back.. the R35 concept is out and in 2007 there will be a USDM version of it rolling around w/ an Infiniti badge. my friend has an R33 in real life. Drive the car in real life and then talk. A game can only go so far. the Skyline is an awesome car (IMO).
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The Skyline is no longer the Skyline in a way, the Skyline your refering to also badged as an Infiniti has nothing to do with the R32,33,34's ect other than the name, Nisasn has seperated that and is using it for more luuxury oriented cars, the next Skyline as in the successor to the R34 GT-R will simply be called the Nissan GT-R, the R35 concept is old, the two GT-R concepts hint at what the car will look like but with another 4 years until it's release anything can happen.
 
Originally posted by GoKents
I don't really think the skylines are very nice...

Heavy and only as powerful as the next guy...

All sorts of cars can match the power of the skyline (ruf, vette, etc) and even more cars can beat their handling. (tvr, honda, etc)

If I was looking for a car to dog the skyline, I would start with just about anything that is a reasonable pick.

Cars I think can beat a comprable skyline...
s2000
nsx
supra
evo
vette
camaro
all tvr
all ruf
... (others, but I just cant think of them)

The bottom line.. If your looking for a car that is not a heavy, bumbling pig of a rice rocket, just don't pick the skyline. If you want something fast and agile, pick anything but the skyline.
(just my opinion though)
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Word. I don't understand why so many people think the Skylines rule either. I think it's possible this goes all the way back to GT where you had three choices if you wanted a "monster" car, the 3000 Twin Turbo (AWD handled like a sled), the Supra (great care but most people couldn't control the spinout), or the Skyline (which was the easiest to drive). People liked them because they could be tuned to over 900 horsepower never realizing the Cerbera could smoke them all without breaking a sweat.

Bottom line, if you want to get away from Skylines there are plenty of fun cars to choose from. Any LM will provide a great ride, and there are some sleepers in the dealership as well (though no where near as many as there were in GT2). Try a tuned up Clio Sport, or Mugen/Spoon S2000 or anything!
 
Originally posted by Seito4Counter
isnt there an infiniti now that uses skylines chassis? not to mention the fairlady which uses a skyline engine..
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The 350Z's a V6 not inline 6, the Infinity which shares the chassis has also taken the Skyline name, read just a couple of post up for more info.
 

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