Is this car on the track ?

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There are two pictures here. Just want to get some comments on whether the car is actually classed as on the track. The green car that is ! URL's put in just in case the pics dont show.


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http://www.flickr.com/photos/89103941@N05/8118883194/

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/89103941@N05/8118883512/in/photostream/

Any comments welcome.
 
It's marginal, but I'd say it isn't. Could be considered on the track though as two wheel are (just) on the track.
 
It's 'on' the curbing. if you count the curbing as part of the track, then yes, it is. However, I would consider that cutting a corner, because 90 percent of the car's width is inside the curb.
 
^ That. Unless there are two wheels between the lines, it isn't on track. Doesn't matter if it is actually off-road or not.
 
Hes off the track in pic 1. Any professional racing league would black flag that driver. He'd probably get a drive thru penalty. And not to mention if you had penalties on he'd be cussing for 3-5 seconds. And in pic 2 I've been kicked from rooms for "dive-bombing" like that.
 
No, I don't know why it's even a question. The track is defined by the white lines. Yes the curbs can be considered part of the track but you still need two wheels inside the white line whilst using them.
 
Looks like poor driving to me. He's not side by side with another car... so why go off track?
 
Definitely off the track, in both pictures. If they intended to go there it's the worst apex I've ever seen :P Back to driving school!
 
Fixed the link :)

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The green BMW is off the track IMO, bad driving as well, why the car have to take such maneuver ? Passing is not possible, unless the driver desperately trying to get closer at all cost, even if it meant going off road from the inside and risking hitting the car in front.

To the op, use the link from the download link on Flickr all sizes image view.

Like this - second picture link address :
[image]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8463/8118883194_ddb795d215_z_d.jpg[/image*] -remove the star to make the link work like above.
 
This is what the F1 regulations says:

20.2 Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.
Should a car leave the track the driver may rejoin, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage.
A driver may not deliberately leave the track without justifiable reason.
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otakukid96
But I thought the kerbs counted as the track. Whatever, I'm wrong. I always am.
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They count as an extension of the track in most racing series, the white lines still define the edge of the track itself. That means you can go beyond the white line use them but you still have to keep at least one wheel inside the white line at all times, kerb or otherwise.
 
This is bordering on a racing-organization rules question... having said that, if that car is on-track, the driver has successfully (and magically) made the track 4 feet wider without any paving materials whatsoever. Not even Michael Schumacher can do that! Pretty sure he'd say it's off-course as well :)

Definitely off. At least 2 tires on pavement (not curb) between the lines.
 
According to the OLR, it's ON track..
"White lines and curbs are part of track"
"2 wheels on track at all times"

According to most real life rules, it's OFF track..


I'm pretty sure the green BMW did'nt gain time by driving that line though.
 
+1 Denilson.

I ran a poll asking the question of whether white lines or kerbs were considered to be the track boundary, results are here.
 
So why does GTP run rules that no real world racing series would? Because nowhere on earth would that be legal, he is cutting the corner, plain and simple.
 
SimonK
So why does GTP run rules that no real world racing series would?
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I dunno, good question. Only the mods who came up with the OLR, & that particular rule, could answer that.
 
SimonK
So why does GTP run rules that no real world racing series would? Because nowhere on earth would that be legal, he is cutting the corner, plain and simple.
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Maybe the mods made the OLR rules that were more catered for gamer oriented point of view in racing conduct. In real life, there's no road racing driver who would try to use all the curb have to offer and going over it at any chance they can ( 2 wheels in every possible way ) to gain advantages in races or time trial.

I've seen many replay videos of alien drivers doing hot lap time trial or races, almost all of them have these tendencies, getting 2 wheels over the curb, getting off road at times to gain time. In real life, the car would be in serious risk of damaging the wheels, suspension and losing control.

I would always try to avoid hitting curb or going over, a good driving is always on the road, 4 wheels at all times if possible, unless when situation forced me to take different lines or last second maneuver - my opinion, not fact:sly: strictly when racing or doing time trial, not applicable when driving around for fun.
 
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SimonK
So why does GTP run rules that no real world racing series would? Because nowhere on earth would that be legal, he is cutting the corner, plain and simple.
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The second picture would be legal in F1 but wouldn't be long until it is illegal given the direction the car is heading.
 
VBR
+1 Denilson.

I ran a poll asking the question of whether white lines or kerbs were considered to be the track boundary, results are here.
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Wait what? Now them results surprised me. As far as I'm concerned you need to have two wheels inside the white line, that's how I race and if someone pulled a move like picture 1 on me I'd be annoyed.
 
The second picture would be legal in F1 but wouldn't be long until it is illegal given the direction the car is heading.
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It's very borderline but yes, the trajectory is clearly taking him completely off the track, as seen in the other picture.

m8h3r
Wait what? Now them results surprised me. As far as I'm concerned you need to have two wheels inside the white line, that's how I race and if someone pulled a move like picture 1 on me I'd be annoyed.
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Indeed, I'm surprised GTP and so many members think differently. The white line is the track edge, I'm not sure how anyone can argue that.
 
People argue it because of what the OLR says. As far as i'm concerned, that is ON track according to the OLR. Not that i would make a habit of doing that.
 
Best to use white lines as the border. If you get into the mentality of riding the kerbs as the limit of the track you might end invalidating lap times and getting penalties online at certain tracks.

i.e:

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That's a rather unique situation because the white lines are road markings. I can't be sure but in that case I believe the track edge would be defined by the inside edge of the kerb.

rosckolove
People argue it because of what the OLR says. As far as i'm concerned, that is ON track according to the OLR. Not that i would make a habit of doing that.
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But the OLR didn't create the tracks or paint those white lines on the track so how can they say what they are or aren't? The white lines define the edge of the track just as much as the grid boxes mark the starting grid positions.

Just to be clear i'm not attacking you or anyone else, more questioning the GTP and OLR rules.
 

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