Is this point system serious?

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They have our money now, but they will also want it for GT6...they said something about it not being done yet, and they have added small upgrades like an extra dealership to address complaints and faster race restarts. I don't think further minor improvements like a few more races are out of the question.
 
Sidstyler shut up!

I agree with the OP completely! Having half the XP that you get in A Spec is ridiculous!

I agree, licenses are so easy to get that it wont hold any players back anyway, so yes, I don't mind the rest of A Spec being based on XP as that pretty much works, but the Endurance races should be license based. You should also be able to save the game during the races aswell so you can come back to them!

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I've just read this whole thread. Here's my way to play.-
I enjoy playing the game, not too fussed what level I'm at at any point.
I don't rush through each Aspec race bands (beginner, inter...)
I have cars that I can enjoy now, I'll take the FGT when I can get it.
I'll most likely not reach level40 until this time next year.
I have a full time job, I race when have time, I'm not forced to grind because doing 1 enduro once every few weeks is not grinding to me, it's fun.
Repeating championships is fun when you only do it once a week with a different car and make it a fair race.
I'm not proving anything to myself or anyone else by gaining level40 after a few months of release. (Other than I have no life outside of my PS3)
I'm at level 20 something now, haven't unlocked endurance events but when
I do I'll enter when I want to and not be compelled by the urge to beat a game I've waited over 5 years for.
It can be endless enjoyment or a boring grind. It's all about how and why you play. (Not at all a rant, just my take on this subject)
 
+1. In order to complete GT4, you had to do 522 different races, 80 license tests, and 34 driving missions -- a total of 636 different challenges.

There is no question that GT5 takes a huge step backward in this respect.

yup. this was why i was hooked on gt4 for 3 years. and is why once hit level 40 in the next 3 months i will go back to forza. it is all about the variety. we get over 1k cars, lets make more races to showcase them.
 
I played GT4 pretty much from the day it came out until just a few months ago. (Over five years...) Completed the game 100% on three entirely different game saves, and another time about 95% completed...<snipped>

Can someone please frame this post and hang it on the wall opposite Kaz's desk?

The difference between the mediocre GT5 today and the stellar GT5 it could have been is just a bunch of relatively tiny twists.

Today's GT5... hmmm.. not sure how long it will entertain me. Indeed... Prologue was a lot more fun and well rounded than this. 👎
 
^Harsh words, but very true for most people.
GT4 was a masterpiece. GT5 is a master......? (Insert word here)
 
PD had a set average amount of time they wanted it to take for people to reach max level. The problem is that they skimped on the events a bit and are forcing the player to "grind" on events they have already completed. Things that could/should have been better are more events, being able to clear trophies for championships, being able to sell all cars from your garage. I think the last two would make high level A-spec less dull to many people.

This is it in a nutshell. If PD had bothered to offer as many in-game events as were in GT4, you wouldn't HAVE to grind, or at least as much. What people are saying (and the apologists refuse to acknowledge) is NOT that they want to level up faster... just that they want to level up without so much repetition.

I don't care if it takes just as long as it does now. Just that I don't want to REPEAT, over and over, the same races I've already played. Perhaps if the AI were less, well, artificial (!), perhaps if the game altered what they drive in response to what YOU drive, perhaps if weather and lighting changed earlier on in the game structure, then repeating events wouldn't be so bad. But right now, this is nothing more than Bill Murray in Groundhog Day. It's COOOOOLLLLD outside!

The seasonal events, the (temporary, so they say) upping of cr. and XP is a help, but, to be honest, we don't need more XP or money. We simply need LOADS more events in A-Spec. Many tracks are totally unused. Many cars are totally unused. There's virtually no Spec racing (provide everyone the same car, temporarily, like Special and License Tests). There SHOULD be a way, a path, topwards leveling up that doesn't involve ANY repetition. That PD haven't BOTHERED to make one is simple laziness in the extreme. How long, for God's sake, does it take to think 'OK, 4WD cars on London, backwards... MR cars on Eiger Nordwand... Vitz's on Cote D'Azur... Samba's on Cape Ring Inside...'? That took me as long as it took to type. Forget reward cars. Just cr. and XP. We would LOVE this.

Death to grinding!
 
Thanks...

I'll tell you something else, also. If ALL the B-Spec reward cars were offered as prizes for new A-Spec events, I bet you B-Spec would die that very day! There's only ONE reason anyone plays that abortion of an RPG - the cars and credits you get, which help avoid as much grinding as you would have to do if it weren't there at all.

But give us twice as many A-Spec events, and all the cars as prizes... B-Spec would be laughed out of the game. I bet the evil troll at PD that came up with that dumb idea probably forced the rest of them there to halve the A-Spec races just so we would HAVE to play the darn thing! What other explanation could account for so few A-Spec events? Takes ten seconds to code one.

PD.... shame on you!
 
I've just read this whole thread. Here's my way to play.-
I enjoy playing the game, not too fussed what level I'm at at any point.
I don't rush through each Aspec race bands (beginner, inter...)
I have cars that I can enjoy now, I'll take the FGT when I can get it.
I'll most likely not reach level40 until this time next year.
I have a full time job, I race when have time, I'm not forced to grind because doing 1 enduro once every few weeks is not grinding to me, it's fun.
Repeating championships is fun when you only do it once a week with a different car and make it a fair race.
I'm not proving anything to myself or anyone else by gaining level40 after a few months of release. (Other than I have no life outside of my PS3)
I'm at level 20 something now, haven't unlocked endurance events but when
I do I'll enter when I want to and not be compelled by the urge to beat a game I've waited over 5 years for.
It can be endless enjoyment or a boring grind. It's all about how and why you play. (Not at all a rant, just my take on this subject)

Oh YES!! 👍
 
I dont even like the level thing; why cant i just buy a car when i have enough credits?!?! The whole RPG thing sucks!
 
There's a reason why online gaming is taking over the world... lack of repetition. Pure and simple.

Whether you play this game fast, or play this game slowly, you are FORCED into the same repetition no matter what. Simply changing your OWN car doesn't change that the AI will still use the same, drive the same way, come in in the same order (unless you PIT them out), and you are driving the same track, in the same time of day, in the same weather.

Playing the game so slowly you don't REMEMBER the repetition is a pretty pi$$ poor way of compensating for something that would take a PD programmer a couple of days to remove altogether.

Repetition isn't the starch that holds the game together. It is the cholesterol that kills you and your love for it after enough of it! It is the carcinogen that overpowers your immune system and leaves you helpless! It is the nasty taste in your mouth that no amount of mouthwash will EVER get rid of!
 
I feel the level system was a last minute change. Levels for buying cars sort of makes sense. But in the licences when you complete a licence a message says you can now participate in more races even if your level doesn't increase, which says to me they were originally going to use the old way of unlocking events, then changed their minds.
 
I wish the leveling system allowed these gamers to just level up, "beat" the game and **** off to the next ****** NFS/COD/EA game, so the adults can have their forum back.

Complaining that you have to repeat a race, are you ****ing serious? There are over 1,000 cars and you are complaining that you need to repeat a ****ing race!

It's a ****ing racing game and you are complaining that you have to race to progress!!!

Mind = Blown. Never in the history of gaming have so many missed the whole point of a game by such a large margin.

Edit, I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.
 
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Opps, someone has lost his mind as common sense and game design principle collides with his inner conscious.

When most people share the same view point there is probably some truth in it you know, nobody is complaining about having to race, they complain about having to race the same opposition in the same setting for over a dozen times.
 
yes there are 1,000 cars but 300 of them are garbage (Volvo 240 Estate anyone? The pre-60's cars? Too slow to be fun) and 200 are duplicates...
 
Guys, the problem isn't PD's choice in cars. Yes, some of them are pitifully slow, but that means they are VARIED.
In fact, go into arcade mode, pick the classic fiat 500 and take it for a race. It's actually quite fun to race around a track in a slower car, and in my opinion it evens out the competition too.
But that's the problem. You can't use these cars AT ALL in the career because there is no specific race event for them.
The cars themselves aren't garbage; they're just rendered useless because you can't race them.
They highlight the fact that the lack of events can't keep up with the massive variety of cars, and this variety in cars is what Gran Turismo has always been about.

So does this mean GT5 is too big for its own good?
On the contrary, it simply isn't big enough...
 
When most people share the same view point there is probably some truth in it you know, nobody is complaining about having to race, they complain about having to race the same opposition in the same setting for over a dozen times.

I'm sure they believe what they are complaining about, but that is because they have completely missed the point of the GT Life aspect. How many times did you run FR or Clubman Cup in GT4 and in how many cars?

I don't see the point of thread after thread of people who refuse to do anything other than win each race once in overpowered cars, grinding the same race over and over, and then complaining that it's boring, so they can unlock the endurance races and enter them in a totally overpowered car, win 36 laps ahead and complain that, that was boring too.

While you are bored, I'm having fun.
 
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This is my first GT.

I did all the GT-life event in underpowered car, I am now only grinding because I want to unlock the nurburgring 4 hours endurance - the last event I am actually interested in.

and I have pretty much given up as well, only waiting for the seasonal event to save me.

I mean, what would you suggest that I should "get" at my stage, when I can either make my own fun lapping my cars - which leave me no sources of income and nowhere closer to the lvl I am aiming at. Or grind those events because there are not enough variations? You may suggest "using another car" but frankly it gets old the third or fourth time no matter what I tried.
 
Maybe I'm not there yet, but I'm at A22 / B19. I've only done up to iB license, I haven't golded all the Special Events yet, I've only done 3 seasonal events (all gold) and I haven't finished the Pro Events, just bought a race car for the final championship or even touched the a single race in the extreme events. I haven't had to grind anything and have had a blast. I have over 100 cars, 50% of which I have yet to even race. Recently online racing has pulled me away from GT Life, as it's great fun racing against actual people.

Like I said, maybe I'm not at the grinding point, but I still have tons of things I want to do.
 
well that's the difference, you are only at lvl 22. I cannot expect you to feel the pain of knowing that you have to do indy 500 6 times to unlock the next event, and every single time it only pays you 260,000cr.

I think you will well understand what everyone is on about once you reach lvl.30.....when you are really running out of things to do.

I tried online, but you spend more time finding a car which match the exact restriction and just happen to have competitive tires, and most of the time, the people I raced against are not.....quite ready to race, if I can put it that way.
 
well that's the difference, you are only at lvl 22. I cannot expect you to feel the pain of knowing that you have to do indy 500 6 times to unlock the next event

You don't have to do Indy 6 times, this is my exact point.

Why do Indy 500 six times and be utterly bored when you could do some of the other events? Sure it may take longer, but you will be having fun.

What is the big rush?
 
You don't have to do Indy 6 times, this is my exact point.

Why do Indy 500 six times and be utterly bored when you could do some of the other events? Sure it may take longer, but you will be having fun.

What is the big rush?

do you have any idea how much longer are we talking about?

I need 1.7 million experience points, doing races in expert or professional level gives you a few thousand each race, and much less in lower tiers, and that's 500 or so races. If I have the time to do 5 a day (I have a job, just so you know), it will take 3 months to unlock ONE event.

3 friggin months!

And given there are like 50 events in total, I still have to do each 10 times, hell yeah that would be "fun"
 
I played GT 4 for 5 years and it was still fun the day before GT5 came out. Isn't it good that 3 months from now things would still be unlocking? Again, what is the rush? Why do so many people want to do everything within the first few weeks?

Okay, magic wand PING! events all unlocked right now, you blast through them all, then what?
 
I played GT 4 for 5 years and it was still fun the day before GT5 came out. Isn't it good that 3 months from now things would still be unlocking? Again, what is the rush? Why do so many people want to do everything within the first few weeks?

Okay, magic wand PING! events all unlocked right now, you blast through them all, then what?

Then I enjoy how I want to enjoy the game?? earn money and drive cars I like, or compete in races I am interested in? (if there's any left)

Tell me, weren't everything unlocked in GT4 except the license requirement? You had the freedom and an abundance of races to choose from, but now you don't, I don't want everything within the first few weeks, but what can I do if there ain't enough content to sustain months of play? I just want to unlock ONE event because THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO DO.

I wouldn't care about leveling up if the game gives me enough content and keep me entertained. I don't level up for some ring of halo or achievement, I just want to unlock a race I will enjoy, and I wouldn't have to do so if there are more events to start with.

You know what, until you get to lvl 30 and start feeling the grind, you don't really have a say on this subject.
 
In GT4 you had to complete, I think it was 25% of the game before Endurance Hall unlocked, you also needed the correct license for each race in that hall.

Why not have the end game fun now? Eventually nurburgring 4 hours endurance will unlock.
 
Exactly. Agree with Menown. However the levelling system has been taken straight from Enthusia. Didn't even change the font by the look of it.

The thing with GT is that you achieve. If you want all cars and tracks, you need to play something else. This is about earning the car. Learning the tracks. Doesnt matter how many games you have played, GT has always been about refinement.
 
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