Is this point system serious?

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In GT4 you had to complete, I think it was 25% of the game before Endurance Hall unlocked, you also needed the correct license for each race in that hall.

Why not have the end game fun now? Eventually nurburgring 4 hours endurance will unlock.

which is a lot less restrictive, it would take an hour or so to at least pass all the licenses and you already opened up most of the races. And I heard there are a few hundred events in GT4? That's a huge difference.

My lapping alone and occasional online racing simply won't earn me enough money to buy and tune new cars. I now rely on my bob to grind it for me when I go to bed, or have dinner.

At least there are seasonal races. :indiff:
 
I'm only a level 20 something in GT5, and I was pretty bored the entire time. With the exception of the Special Events and a few license tests it was really boring an annoying. In order to have "fun" I can't actually use a car that is similar in performance to the competition(a.I.), I need to use a slower car that will still kill them in every corner, but get passed on the straight.......Fail.

I also played GT3 everyday until GT4, doing time trials and free runs. Had all I could take of that thing and so GT4 got old way quick too, for some reason I expected more from GT5. The online helps, but is very basic almost Sega Dreamcast basic.

I really don't know when I'll even play it again, it just annoys me with all its little issues that just keep piling up, everything from the inconsistent/overly sensitive throttle control, to the lackluster car list. GT5 was a lot of hype, now that it has worn off so has the luster that used to remain on a GT game for years. Kind of like GM, they took for granted that they were #1, got lazy, put out crap products, and the competition only got better.....straighten up PD, pay attention to whats going on around you, and make some changes asap!:grumpy:
 
Is it right that to get to level 40 from 38, 6 24hr races have to be repeated as the quickest way to level up?
 
Is it right that to get to level 40 from 38, 6 24hr races have to be repeated as the quickest way to level up?

If it is, isn't that a huge hint that perhaps you are not playing GT5 the way it was designed to be played?
 
Is it right that to get to level 40 from 38, 6 24hr races have to be repeated as the quickest way to level up?

yes, and if you don't want to do that, the second highest paying is indy500 within 2 hours with the X1, if you do it all day long, it yields 288,000X12 =
3 456 000 exp.

either way it takes almost a week of pure driving time.
 
If it is, isn't that a huge hint that perhaps you are not playing GT5 the way it was designed to be played?

WHAT is the way it was designed to be played?

they intend you to grind it, I swear, what's the alternative?
 
I've just read this whole thread. Here's my way to play.-
I enjoy playing the game, not too fussed what level I'm at at any point.
I don't rush through each Aspec race bands (beginner, inter...)
I have cars that I can enjoy now, I'll take the FGT when I can get it.
I'll most likely not reach level40 until this time next year.
I have a full time job, I race when have time, I'm not forced to grind because doing 1 enduro once every few weeks is not grinding to me, it's fun.
Repeating championships is fun when you only do it once a week with a different car and make it a fair race.
I'm not proving anything to myself or anyone else by gaining level40 after a few months of release. (Other than I have no life outside of my PS3)
I'm at level 20 something now, haven't unlocked endurance events but when
I do I'll enter when I want to and not be compelled by the urge to beat a game I've waited over 5 years for.
It can be endless enjoyment or a boring grind. It's all about how and why you play. (Not at all a rant, just my take on this subject)

:cheers:

You're awesome, sir.
 
I give up.

shem nailed it anyway.

:cheers:

So the best way of playing GT5 is to not play it, or else it gets boring.

Now I get it, it is intentionally monotonous so you don't actually play it too often, how'd I not see it? 💡
 
I hope they fix it in one of the upcoming updates so that we will get more events on the higher levels. There a tons of room on the events screen to make Elite events or something on the left-side of the screen.

Until lv 27 I had no problems with grinding. You just feel that you aren't getting rewarded for winning an Indy 500 the second time, considering the poor cash prize. At lv 30 all the fun came back though with the Vettel Challenge, which I think can get you from lv 30 to lv 34 if you gold them all. Extremely hard though.
 
That doesn't make sense JJ. I don't sit there and try to make my grind as monotonous as possible. Sure, I could go into Indy and win a bunch of times and have more money than other events, but I go out and do my championships and move around because I have a choice. The money isn't as good but it's a lot more fun. Really after Level 24, you can do anything you want. Just get the money and get another car and have some fun. You all act like GT Life is the only thing. Go play with Arcade Mode, or go build some courses, practice and tune, DRIVE. That's what the game was made for man.
 
I go out and do my championships and move around because I have a choice.

after Level 24, you can do anything you want. Just get the money and get another car and have some fun.

DRIVE. That's what the game was made for man.


This, this and this.

I swear, people act like once you hit level 30 the game locks down everything except Indy.

Try this, go to your garage, standard cars, sort by date aquired. Now go to the bottom of the list. Press up 16 times, race that in something. it might smoke the AI or it might never stand a chance, but who cares, enjoy driving it.
 
Exactly. I have fun with a lot of cars. I drive Insights, Tiburons, WRC cars, etc. I have fun just flooring the pedal and lifting off, feeling the upshifts. Tuning, building massive jump courses. GT Life isn't the only thing. Surely, just win some races, and buy some sweet cars. If you want to get to Level 40, then do it, but don't make it the primary goal. Have some fun, take time off. Angry at an event? Grab a car and just let it out. Tokyo R246 with its movable barriers is a good choice.
 
Personally i think the lack of races is a big problem, with the number of cars and track variations it would not have been difficult to add a whole lot more events, and i would rather have more events than I wanted to actually play so i could pick and choose, than far too few and be forced to run them all multiple times. that's motorsport in RL you find the type you like and stick with it till you find another you enjoy. I've never known kart racer or auto crosser to get so bored in the off season they decided to participate in several stock car, dirt track, and sand drag points events. I suppose it could happen but its not the norm. the grinding really makes the game a chore.
 
But do you have to, thad? Can't you take some time off, grab a car and have some fun? I'm just trying to explain, lose the GT Life grip, and have a good driving time. It also gives you less to worry about because you're not always thinking about the next XP Level or the next $1,000,000 you want to make.
 
But you can see the problem, Prologue, can't you? People want to accomplish something and what you are referring to sounds to me like I could just take my own real car and drive in that.

With 1000+ cars and only 54 events... unused potential.
 
But you can see the problem, Prologue, can't you? People want to accomplish something and what you are referring to sounds to me like I could just take my own real car and drive in that.

With 1000+ cars and only 54 events... unused potential.

Yes. I do admit I've had my grinding annoyances. After a while I drifted away and just started grabbing cars I don't need for no reason, putting tracks and making my own fictional races. I don't know why, but it's added more fun to my experience. Truthfully, I've been at Level 30 for 4 days and haven't cared a damn about Leveling up. Right now, I wouldn't care if I was stuck here forever. If I get the money, I can buy any car I want (I have a duped X2010 that I'm not proud of) and that is awesome. I buy cars for no reason. Yesterday I picked up a 1998 Ford Escort Cosworth Rally Car for no reason. It cut my money in half but I didn't care. I just try to have some fun.

These are some cars you'll never drive, so take the chance for it.
 
But do you have to, thad? Can't you take some time off, grab a car and have some fun? I'm just trying to explain, lose the GT Life grip, and have a good driving time. It also gives you less to worry about because you're not always thinking about the next XP Level or the next $1,000,000 you want to make.

While I agree with you for the most part. I still think it would be cool to have more races if only from a opponent and different restrictions variety perspective. Although for me personally the seasonals are solving this issue for me since golding all of them is pretty much about as much time for racing as I have in a given time frame, if they keep the current number all the time.
 
I got up to around level 28 and a half without grinding. I've got everything gold up to the enduros which I've got gold in three of. Seasonal, special and licences events all gold. Seasonal events didn't help much at level 28. I'm up to 29 and a half now but I've had to do the indy 500 2 more times and I really don't like doing enduros a second time, let alone 3 or 4 times.
 
I think I've done the Indy 500 in B spec about 3 or 4 times now and I'm still not levelled up enough to do the next endurance race. The money is so pitiful they might as well not even give you any. I never look up the prize cars before the race because I like to hold out that slim hope that it might be something worthwhile :dopey: I really don't know what enjoyment of sense of accomplishment this could possibly give anyone? I don't even watch them at all. A few hours after I start it I'm like "Oh, I forgot that was running." I could get more money and a better car in 5 minutes in A-spec, and here I am letting my PS3 run for probably 10 hours with these endurance races.

At least the B-spec Dream Car Championship is really good for grinding money.
 
But do you have to, thad? Can't you take some time off, grab a car and have some fun? I'm just trying to explain, lose the GT Life grip, and have a good driving time. It also gives you less to worry about because you're not always thinking about the next XP Level or the next $1,000,000 you want to make.
yeah, i get what you're saying. the most fun I've had on GT5 in the last week was with the RM 05 sti ra in practice mode. i just wish i have the same kind of fun in a spec mode.
 
Two points were made earlier about the point system and the lack of cars/tracks used in the game:

The point system for GT5 is slightly better than what was used for Enthusia, which was too RPG-like and penalized you for running poorly. GT5 wouldn't do that and it probably explains why Enthusia is a pseudo-cult game (from how I see it).

The next point that someone made was about the entry restrictions for any race. There are so few it becomes laughable. No HP restriction means cakewalk and many cars like an Amuse S2000 or a Super GT car would be overlooked for an LMP or an FGT because there's no reason to buy those cars unless you really want them. Heck, in some races (DC Championship) the AI cars are ridiculously overpowered over other AI cars. How an FTO touring car is going to be an XJ9 in 20 laps at Indy is funny because it won't beat that car any day of the year if the AI is using it.

The final issue is with tracks used. The addition of all the variants of Nurburgring is great but it seems every other track is neglected by this addition. Some additions weren't even used more than once!

Autumn Ring I believe was used for 2 or 3 races total.
Daytona Road Course: 1 race
Indianapolis Road Course: 1 race
Top Gear Track: 1 race
At least in GT4 any given tier pretty much used most, if not all, of the tracks. That doesn't exist here as there are less tracks and yet there is still a heavy emphasis on Green Hell over other tracks.
 
GT4 didn't have the XP level up system. It kept my interest for 5 years.

GT5 has the XP level up system. I'm losing interest already, after 5 weeks.

If you're telling me -- a 1500 hour veteran of GT4 -- that I don't "get" GT5, because I hate the XP system... If that's the future of GT, then for me, GT4 was the pinnacle of the series. It was fun; the current incarnation of GT5 isn't.
 
Enthusiastically, I started the first endurance race, took about 2 hours to complete.

$56,000 for 2 hours of driving????? are you serious?

I haven't got there yet, but if true then that is indeed a cruel joke.

Now, I don't know quite what happened to the thread here, as I read the first page of replies and then jumped to page six where posts were completely unrelated to the original topic post.

You seem to enjoy complaining about about it

If there's a problem, people have the right and perhaps even the obligation to be vocal about it. Just keeping it to themselves and pretending it isn't there doesn't fix it, but perhaps if enough people in the community are vocal about problems then Polyphony may catch wind of it and fix it. You can't expect things to get fixed if everyone pretends they aren't broken.

And if the figures I read in the topic post are accurate, then it is indeed broken. Now, people like to defend faults and shortcomings with "Look over there, a deer!" arguments that divert attention but don't actually address the issue at hand. They'll post arguments about how the game is supposed to be about the joy of buying cars, tuning them, and driving them, and those things are true, but they don't make problems go away.

Payouts for winning events are supposed to be rewards for your time and effort. If you put more time and effort into them, you should get higher rewards from them. Now, someone might argue that this logic is flawed because they didn't put more time into events later into the game or that events on higher difficulty tiers didn't feel any more challenging to them, but there's still a logical progression as you advance through the game and increased payouts conforms to this progression even if the races don't really get much longer.

A proper means of rewarding players would be to award more credits for much longer events. No arguments here; no ifs, ands, or buts. This is simple logic here. If someone spends 120 minutes winning a race, logic would suggest that they should win far more rewards than what they would get from 5 minutes. That's just common sense and just plain fair. It really doesn't matter if someone's philosophy is that it's just about the cars or the racing or if they want to argue that arbitrary numbers of experience or credits shouldn't matter. There's no logical explanation for choosing to hand such laughable rewards for major events.

Nobody can say, "Yeah, 56,000 CR is the right amount of reward for winning a two-hour event. A two-hour race should be worth just as much as a five-minute race." Nobody can say that and back it up with any sort of real logic. It would be like saying that if somebody goes to work and earns $12 for just one hour, and then the next day they work the same job for ten hours they should still only get paid $12 for that day; that the important thing is that they got paid and it doesn't matter how much time went into earning it.
 
So I finally unlocked the endurance races, I have gold in all the B-spec races.

Enthusiastically, I started the first endurance race, took about 2 hours to complete.

$56,000 for 2 hours of driving????? are you serious? and some stupid japanese concept that no one would ever buy or even choose to drive???

and worst of all, THE RACE ONLY GOT ME 1/8th THE WAY TO LEVEL 26!!

Why wouldnt this race bump us up to level 26 to get to the next race in endurance?? SO WE CAN CONTINUE

I cant understand what they did in this game, this is so unfair. The only way to progress is to do races over and over even after you have golded.

Seriously what do I do now? Just do a championship in extreme over and over until I get to level 26?? That will probably require doing a championship at least 6 times repeatedly

I absolutely hate what they have done to the Gran Turismo legacy, I don't think I really enjoy anything about this game.

I wholly understand your frustration! And I concur as to your assessment that GT5 isn't all it's cracked up to be. Shame. I'm kinda over it too.((((
 
GT4 didn't have the XP level up system. It kept my interest for 5 years.

GT5 has the XP level up system. I'm losing interest already, after 5 weeks.

If you're telling me -- a 1500 hour veteran of GT4 -- that I don't "get" GT5, because I hate the XP system... If that's the future of GT, then for me, GT4 was the pinnacle of the series. It was fun; the current incarnation of GT5 isn't.

Exactly.

GT5 isn't open ended like GT4 with lots of (options) events, tracks and the A-spec point difficulty system.

GT5 is strictly "tunnel vision". Thats the difference.

I can't understand why those who post about playing GT4, don't immediately recognize that.

Its not the difficulty or the time spent.
Its HOW you are made to do it the "tunnel vision way".
Thats what the complaint is, and it is interpreted as a complete departure from previous GTs.
I have to concur.

It seems PD is attempting to expand the games events via online races, but I guess the level up system is here to stay.
 
I see, so if I don't like the shadow quality I just should s**** the ***** up and keep it for myself insteed of telling it to PD and others and to show PD, that they did something wrong.
No, can't agree to your logic. Aga080 nailed it. He is right. The point system is dissapointing, the prize car system is rubbish and it should be discussed.
In older GT games you got a Speed 8 for winning endurance races, here you get standard concept cars you never heard before.

I too agree with kazuyam!
 
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