It makes you question PD when...

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It makes you question PD when they don't seem to know what Rallycross is. :confused: :rolleyes:

"Rallycross is a form of sprint style automobile racing held on a closed mixed-surface racing circuit".

They look to have left the mixed circuit part.

How is a race round the normal Willow Springs track with Rally Cars Rallycross? Answers on a postcard. :banghead:

The thing is they have had tracks in the past with tarmac and gravel, so it is not an alien concept to them.

What next, ice racing with no ice! :rolleyes:

It will be interesting to see how the most blinkered PD fans try to justify this. :rolleyes:
 
redhed17
It makes you question PD when they don't seem to know what Rallycross is. :confused: :rolleyes:

"Rallycross is a form of sprint style automobile racing held on a closed mixed-surface racing circuit".

They look to have left the mixed circuit part.

How is a race round the normal Willow Springs track with Rally Cars Rallycross? Answers on a postcard. :banghead:

The thing is they have had tracks in the past with tarmac and gravel, so it is not an alien concept to them.

What next, ice racing with no ice! :rolleyes:

It will be interesting to see how the most blinkered PD fans try to justify this. :rolleyes:
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They don't even realize what's the point of the Nordschleife Tourist layout or how to simulate upshifting on most cars. I'm not surprised by this RX thing either.
 
It's a very loose interpretation of rally cross but you're still racing other rally cars rather than the usual timed runs.
 
redhed17
The thing is they have had tracks in the past with tarmac and gravel
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While there has been tracks with tarmac or gravel, as there is in GTS, I'm fairly certain there hasn't been mixed surface, tarmac and gravel, tracks.

As the "rallycross" in GTS completely misses the defining characteristic of rallycross one can only conclude that it is, in GTS at least, nothing more than padding.
 
Whats there to question? Its still rallycross. Rally cars racing each other, just that its a loose variant on the sport. You need to remember, Gran Turismo Sport is not a true to life simulator. So don't treat it true to the letter.
 
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I think another developer holds the WRX license, so the best anyone else can do is a loose interpretation of Rallycross. Whether the license prohibits non-licensees the ability to create events with Joker laps is unknown to me at least. Either way, PD should just bin the Rally aspect altogether, especially in GTS. The resources could be better applied in other areas. Like more scapes. :indiff:
 
Crazybutt198
Whats there to question? Its still rallycross. Rally cars racing each other, just that its a loose variant on the sport. You need to remember, Gran Turismo Sport is not a true to life simulator. So don't treat it true to the letter.
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It's also missing g joker laps, and the circuits are too long for RX.

It's basically PD very odd idea of loose surface racing, nothing more.
 
redhed17
It makes you question PD when they don't seem to know what Rallycross is. :confused: :rolleyes:

"Rallycross is a form of sprint style automobile racing held on a closed mixed-surface racing circuit".
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It makes me question......





How old I am when I realize that many forum users here didn't play GT2 and learn back then that PD doesn't really do authentic rally racing, or rallycross.

Gran Turismo 'rally' is always just a wide dirt road, for some reason. I wish they'd drop it and focus on what they do well.
 
MikeTheHockeyFan
It makes me question......

How old I am when I realize that many forum users here didn't play GT2 and learn back then that PD doesn't really do authentic rally racing, or rallycross.
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Was that aimed at me, or just a general statement, :confused: because I I've been playing GT since not long after it came out in Japan, and before it was released in the UK. Whether this is someone's first GT game or not, I think all can have an opinion on how the makers of 'The Real Driving Simulator' actually simulate. ;) :lol:

MikeTheHockeyFan
Gran Turismo 'rally' is always just a wide dirt road, for some reason. I wish they'd drop it and focus on what they do well.
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I'm aware of how loose the rally term has been in GT games, ;) but why make the mistake again! Rallycross is on mixed surfaces. It does not, afaik, have rolling starts. Just call it rally, or rally race. Like I said, it's like they don't seem to know what Rallycross is.

I like the rally aspect of GT btw, always have. It could be a lot better in a lot of ways that could be easily implemented, but that is for another thread. ;)
 
Famine
Anyway, Sardegna is dirt, Tokyo is tarmac, and Willow Springs is tarmac, but you'll spend half your life being battered through the dirt.

Sounds like mixed surfaces to me.
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If they just cut a corner or two across the dirt at Willow Springs, the title may have made sense. See how easy that could have been. ;) :lol:
 
There was also a version of Grand canyon that contained part tarmac and part gravel, available hidden in GT4 Prologue and in the GT4 Toyota Demo:

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Everyone complains that PD have no idea how to do rally and rally cross. I think it's more like they wanted to have rally cars in the game, but they don't want to invest in making a full rally experience as that would impede on what they want to focus on. They throw in a few token dirt tracks so the rally cars don't seem too useless, and then the marketing teams mark it as a selling point when it is actually very limited. This is in GT2 I speak of.

Fast forward to later games, and now they have to keep adding dirt tracks for new rally cars they include, because everyone is expecting as much now. As far as the WRC branding in GT5, yes... That is the one game where I'll concede they should have either pulled their weight and done the job, or not have included the WRC endorsement in the first place.

To be honest I would have been perfectly okay if they didn't include rally in GTS at all, and everyone would just be sad about the lack of the feature rather than a halfhearted attempt. Either way, I still think the rally cars themselves are the focus and any dirt tracks are just added by default. It's Gran Turismo so circuit racing is what you get. I don't expect that to ever change.
 
ShiftingGears
Rally is a waste of resources that PD can ill afford, as they've got no idea how to implement it properly.
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I think they are holding onto old baggage. They had it for generations so here we have it still.

I tried Tokyo Rally... its Mario Kart nonsense given the track is narrow and cars wide however I feel this kind of low effort was what an low level employee knocked out over an afternoon... I dont think these guys are wasting huge resources on this.
 
The AI seem dead set on forcing you off the road at Willow Springs, so about half of it is off-road anyway. :lol:

It's not real rallycross, but that's not what I bought this game for. I have a couple of others games for that.
 

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