J-body vs. Honda vs. Whatever thread - continued from first car thread

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And the sad thing is (at least for the sake of this thread), people are now swapping S2000 engines into their Civics and maintaining FWD. 2.0-2.2L and 240hp naturally aspirated from the factory. Shaming this huge V6 even more.
 
But they can't win a drag race with four passengers while towing a U-Haul as good, you guys. Dat torque.
 
So it finally gets its own thread?

Hmph.

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If you want random... here's another ongoing project from the Accord forum. This one a proper 6-shooter swap.

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White & Nerdy
Well given that level of modification my Rustbird could probably take out an E36 M3, and if it didn't the remainder of the gap could be closed via nitrous (oh yeah, that's another benefit of larger engines, they tend to have higher nitrous tolerance).
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The only thing your Rustbird will do faster than an E36 M3 is expire on the side of the road in a cloud of steam and pool of oil.
 
I'm a little very late to the discussion, but I would just like to point out that having a big engine means nothing if you don't have the power. I can claim this first hand as the big ol' 5.0L V8 in my car has a MASSIVE 150hp (when new), but it does at least have a redeeming 270ft-lb of torque and a relatively short first gear, so it (don't laugh) get's off the line quickly. Until about 20mph...
 
White & Nerdy
Well given that level of modification my Rustbird could probably take out an E36 M3, and if it didn't the remainder of the gap could be closed via nitrous (oh yeah, that's another benefit of larger engines, they tend to have higher nitrous tolerance).
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Korza
The only thing your Rustbird will do faster than an E36 M3 is expire on the side of the road in a cloud of steam and pool of oil.
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Toronado
The good one probably wouldn't fit in a Cavalier. It barely fit in the Lumina.
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That'd require investigation, but I'm fairly confident it'd fit. (Also, its displacement is 204 cid, not 201 as I mistakenly stated yesterday).

niky
So it finally gets its own thread?

Hmph.

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Is that a V6 in an old Sentra?

I also approve this message.

Korza
The only thing your Rustbird will do faster than an E36 M3 is expire on the side of the road in a cloud of steam and pool of oil.
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The GM V6es haven't been known to do so, as far as I know. GM cars run bad longer than most cars run at all, and when they're running well, you'd have to run them out of oil to stop them.
 
White & Nerdy
That'd require investigation, but I'm fairly confident it'd fit. (Also, its displacement is 204 cid, not 201 as I mistakenly stated yesterday).
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The Z34 engine is way too tall to fit in the Cavalier unless you wanted to make your own hood. As I said, it barely fits into the Lumina, which is why they are so awful to do extensive servicing on. It would be easier to put the 3800 SC into the Cavalier than the LQ1.


CyborgGT
Toronado: Sooooo... the power's not quite on par with that of an H22 (another 2.2L 4-banger) out of a Prelude Type-S or Accord Euro-R, which are rated at 220hp? I mean, if we're talking swaps you may as well 'get the good one.'
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Was rated for more power than that in development. Was detuned for transmission reliability, just like the 3.2 Taurus SHO motor was.
 
Toronado
The Z34 engine is way too tall to fit in the Cavalier unless you wanted to make your own hood. As I said, it barely fits into the Lumina, which is why they are so awful to do extensive servicing on. It would be easier to put the 3800 SC into the Cavalier than the LQ1.
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Maybe I should then, except it really does sound bad. I definitely don't want a big stupid cowl induction hood on my car.
 
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Deets

What you are looking at is an EG Civic with a J35 V6 out of Honda Ridgeline pickup truck. A big V6 into a Civic is crazy enough, but as you can see the motor is also equipped with an enormous supercharger from CT Engineering. It gets even better though. There are also plans to add a pair of turbochargers to the mix – just for fun you know. The motor had been dropped in just a few days earlier and once the car is back at the Hasport shop in Arizona it will be time to make it run.
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I generally learnt that when it comes to arguing Japanese cars vs. American cars, if the person on the American cars side mentions Fast and Furious or says 'ricer', it's not worth arguing
 
benzoboy
I generally learnt that when it comes to arguing Japanese cars vs. American cars, if the person on the American cars side mentions Fast and Furious or says 'ricer', it's not worth arguing
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lol whats even worse is the "my engine is bigger" arguement.
 
Anyone who touts the all-importance of low-end torque, sneers at lesser cylinder numbers, shrugs off the value of RPM, or compares cars by 0-60mph and 1/4 mile times (or even laptimes), is generally someone to be avoided. You might as well argue with a brick wall; the wall would be less dense.
 
Wolfe
Anyone who touts the all-importance of low-end torque, sneers at lesser cylinder numbers, shrugs off the value of RPM, or compares cars by 0-60mph and 1/4 mile times (or even laptimes), is generally someone to be avoided. You might as well argue with a brick wall; the wall would be less dense.
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I compared 1/4th times, as a joke to show tht the lesser civics, the ones he makes fun of, seem to be just as fast as his car lol
 
I'm referring to those who do it habitually, you know what I mean. There's more to a car than a handful of numbers.
 
White & Nerdy
Looks about right for 170 whp in a smallish car, but if we're going into engine swaps (which I think that is?), I call 3.4L in my Sunbird with bolt ons of my own.
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Oh lordy.

Yes, because swapping an engine that has at most in the USDM 140hp standard is a perfectly logical transplant compared to the H22A (197hp).
 
Murcie_LP640
Oh lordy.

Yes, because swapping an engine that has at most in the USDM 140hp standard is a perfectly logical transplant compared to the H22A (197hp).
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The 140hp engine is what it comes with. The 3.4 I was talking about is rated between 170 and 210 hp depending on which one you're talking about.
 
White & Nerdy
The 140hp engine is what it comes with. The 3.4 I was talking about is rated between 170 and 210 hp depending on which one you're talking about.
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Which puts it on par with most sub 3 liter engines out of Europe. And around where that 1.6L I had from Japan was. Which likely weighed half as much.

Straight 6 better than a V6 anyhow.
 
^ Which was actually the 125hp F22A1, not one of the more powerful Accord EX/Prelude S spec levels. Not that it matters considering the main differences between all the F22As, the ECU and camshaft, are both modified; but just throwing that out there. You said "at most 140hp," when that car started out the furthest from.

When arguing about engine design, can't it be said that only Ferrari can top Honda? Even then, the 458 only beat the S2000's volumetric efficiency by 1hp. Natural aspiration is where it's at for me though, anyone can slap a turbo on an engine and make power.
 
I'm of two minds. I love the feel of a high-revving, hectic motor. But there's no denying the effectiveness of a turbo with lots of low-end, especially on the racetrack.
 
CyborgGT
^ Which was actually the 125hp F22A1, not one of the more powerful Accord EX/Prelude S spec levels. Not that it matters considering the main differences between all the F22As, the ECU and camshaft, are both modified; but just throwing that out there. You said "at most 140hp," when that car started out the furthest from.
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I didn't bother checking the original specs on that specific Accord. I just did a quick look up on the F22A and found that.
 

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