Jaime Alguersuari

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Set to make history in Hungary.... Formula 1's youngest ever driver, 19 years and 125 days old on the grid in Budapest.

What does everyone reckon to his chances in F1, being brought in at a young age, his World Series performances haven't been lively to say the least, but he was an exciting prospect in F3 last year and won the title.

Ian
 
Like I always say, we will see.
 
im going to go out on a limb here and say it. hes going to score points in hungary. though i also said i was expecting to see big results from kaz this year but that hasnt shown any reward has it.
 
When has a rookie ever scored points in their firs race in their first time in the car in months in an inferior car? He won't come last, but points? In your dreams.
 
PJ-FFL
When has a rookie ever scored points in their firs race in their first time in the car in months in an inferior car? He won't come last, but points? In your dreams.
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Jean Alesi. Alain Prost.

To name 2 without spending any time looking for more...
 
PJ-FFL
When has a rookie ever scored points in their firs race in their first time in the car in months in an inferior car? He won't come last, but points? In your dreams.
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Sebastien Buemi. Melbourne was pretty much his first time in a Formula One car, and he picked up two points for a seventh place.
 
Didn't Hamilton score points (podiums) in his first 6 races ever?

C.

EDIT - I stand corrected... 9 races...

Grand Prix Date Team Grid Race Position Points Total
Australian 18 Mar 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 4 3 6 6
Malaysian 08 Apr 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 4 2 8 14
Bahrain 15 Apr 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 2 2 8 22
Spanish 13 May 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 4 2 8 30
Monaco 27 May 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 2 2 8 38
Canadian 10 Jun 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 1 1 10 48
United States 17 Jun 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 1 1 10 58
French 01 Jul 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 2 3 6 64
British 08 Jul 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 1 3 6 70
European 22 Jul 2007 McLaren-Mercedes 10 9 0 70

C.
 
Yeah, but Hamilton had been testing for McLaren through 2006. Alguersuari was only made Red Bull and Toro Rosso's reserve and test driver a few weeks ago.
 
Testing and Racing are two different things - but yes a valid point...

I thought that they could still do *some* testing - but it had to be in a straight line?

That would at least give some feel of what it's like - for - er starts!?!

C.
 
No higher formula experience than World Series and Formula 3 = either:
-He's going to take it slow, learn the car and avoid all trouble.
-He's going to be over ambitious and crash somewhere.
-He's going to run over his pit crew.
-Buemi is going to beat him.
-All of the above.
 
Franz Tost has said he has zero expectations from him for the first 3 races, sounds like he should've kept Bourdais instead.
 
mipuumal
Franz Tost has said he has zero expectations from him for the first 3 races, sounds like he should've kept Bourdais instead.
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Or maybe Tost is smart enough to let Alguesuari get a taste of the sport before he gets put under pressure.
 
Do you race?
Sebastien Buemi. Melbourne was pretty much his first time in a Formula One car, and he picked up two points for a seventh place.
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Not to mention Bourdais 08 and Webber in 2001/02
 
If you take the rest of the top 10 youngest F1 drivers behind Alguersuari, and take out Thackwell, Tuero & Marques, it's not a bad list to be on.

Alguersuari 19 years 125 days
Mike Thackwell 19 years, 182 days
Ricardo Rodriguez 19 years, 208 days
Fernando Alonso 19 years, 218 days
Esteban Tuero 19 years, 320 days
Chris Amon 19 years, 324 days
Sebastian Vettel 19 years, 349 days
Eddie Cheever 20 years, 53 days
Jenson Button 20 years, 53 days
Tarso Marques 20 years, 72 days
 
PJ-FFL
When has a rookie ever scored points in their firs race in their first time in the car in months in an inferior car? He won't come last, but points? In your dreams.
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Robert Kubica scored on debut. In the rain.

Thing I'm interested in is why Brendan Hartley was sidelined as test driver so close to Bourdais being released. I'm fairly sure it has something to do with Repsol, but I wonder if Hartley's time in F1 is already over.
 
GilesGuthrie
Thing I'm interested in is why Brendan Hartley was sidelined as test driver so close to Bourdais being released. I'm fairly sure it has something to do with Repsol, but I wonder if Hartley's time in F1 is already over.
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From some of the articles floating around on the internet, it seems Hartley asked to step down from the role to concentrate on other racing series.
 
Hartley needs to go the "proper" route of graduating to a higher series first and gaining further experience. He's just as badly qualified as Jaime is.

There are quite a few drivers currently showing skill in F2 and GP2 as well as other series, so I disagree with this leap-frogging straight into F1. Sadly, I think its only going to get worse and Formula 2 is going to be quickly obsolete, by the way...how is Jaime getting a superlicense?
 
Raikkonen scored on his debut in Oz 2001. From that moment I supported him :D
 
I stand corrected.
 
Ardius
No higher formula experience than World Series and Formula 3 = either:
-He's going to take it slow, learn the car and avoid all trouble.
-He's going to be over ambitious and crash somewhere.
-He's going to run over his pit crew.
-Buemi is going to beat him.
-All of the above.
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Also on note of Kimi, he started racing in 1999 and in 2001 he was in F1. he had no superlience and was asleep 30mins before race start. Kimi had less than 30 Openwheel races to his name before he was signed up.

Anything can happen!
 
Do you race?
From some of the articles floating around on the internet, it seems Hartley asked to step down from the role to concentrate on other racing series.
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Which is the interesting part. Hartley was on the inside. He must have known that Bourdais was on the way out. So, why leave "of his own volition"? Unless that was the time that the team informed him that this new guy was coming, with sponsorship. It's been fairly public for a while now that Matesitzch (can't be bothered looking up the spelling) is looking to reduce the financial commitment in STR.
 
Only_in_f1
Also on note of Kimi, he started racing in 1999 and in 2001 he was in F1. he had no superlience and was asleep 30mins before race start. Kimi had less than 30 Openwheel races to his name before he was signed up.

Anything can happen!
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He had, however, extensively tested with Sauber before his first race....

Also, on the subject of scoring on debut there are a lot of drivers who have done such a thing, usually in competitive cars. However, they've all had a lot of testing miles before hand and usually been promoted from a race series equal to or a level below F1.

Martin Brundle is actually one of the few drivers to have done so and he also went from British Formula 3 straight to F1. But, like I say, he had extensive testing before hand, as well as driving a McLaren test alongside Senna at the time (I think).
 
GilesGuthrie
It's been fairly public for a while now that Matesitzch (can't be bothered looking up the spelling) is looking to reduce the financial commitment in STR.
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Funny he should say that when he backed down on the sale. Apparently Epsilon Euskadi were dead serious about purchasing the team, but he couldn't commit to the sale. I suspect the FIA's instsitence that Red Bull and Toro Rosso were committed to the championship until 2012 had something to do with it, as well as the FOTA teams needing to stand together. With Williams and Force India suspended, there were just eight teams, and if Toro Rosso were looking to sell, it would effectively be seven and a half. And you just know Max Mosley would have pounced on that as an example of FOTA's threat being empty because one of thier own members was looking for a way out.

Personally, I don't like the idea of Toro Rosso. They're nothing more than a glorified GP2 team, forced to run at the back to give new drivers, and as soon as they start coming good, they're poached by Red Bull to bring the success to the parent company. To me, they should have a fighting chance on the grid, be their own team. I was really hoping they'd be sold at the end of the season for that reason. Who knows, if everything gets sorted before Hungary, maybe Toro Rosso can be sold.
 
Do you race?
Personally, I don't like the idea of Toro Rosso. They're nothing more than a glorified GP2 team, forced to run at the back to give new drivers, and as soon as they start coming good, they're poached by Red Bull to bring the success to the parent company. To me, they should have a fighting chance on the grid, be their own team. I was really hoping they'd be sold at the end of the season for that reason. Who knows, if everything gets sorted before Hungary, maybe Toro Rosso can be sold.
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Agree on all of this...

It's kindof like a richmans testing team...

I have a feeling that the FIA weren't overly impressed with the idea either!

C.
 
Ardius
usually been promoted from a race series equal to or a level below F1.
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Just a query - what race series is there that is equal to F1?!

C.
 
yeti
Just a query - what race series is there that is equal to F1?!

C.
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The equivelant level of sportscars or rallying, which I guess would be either FIA GT, WTCC/DTM/whatever or WRC.

Roo
Reigning F3 champion (in his case, British F3).
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Learn something new everyday, didn't know F3 level qualified.
 
Ardius
The equivelant level of sportscars or rallying, which I guess would be either FIA GT, WTCC/DTM/whatever or WRC.
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WRC yes - disagree on the rest...

C.
 
I'll go back to Kimi again, he got his on a 'performance delivery promise' from Peter Sauber.
 
Ardius
The equivelant level of sportscars or rallying, which I guess would be either FIA GT, WTCC/DTM/whatever or WRC.

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Le Mans Series ;)
 
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