JDM is for losers

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Well not every-one cares about performance they just need a vehicle to get around. This forum is full of car enthusiasts so we cant ubderstand easily. Many people buy cars for transportation not for performance.

Also about the poser thing, it its essentially the same car and you put an American bage on it thats okay. However putting GTR emblems, on nissans other than Skylines and Vtec bages on Civics are seen as rice to me.

If I had a JDM car i would probably think its pretty cool. Why? its different from the same old thing.
 
Originally posted by advanR
i think japanese carsa are pretty lame. heres why...

ill talk about cars my friends and i drive. one kid got a haildamage civic dx hatch for 6k. it has maybe 90 horse. he recently put the b18c from the gsr he wrecked in a cloverleaf because he doesnt know how to drive. the car is quick, but its a total piece of ****. the people that did the swap are retards. half the time vtec works, half time it doesnt. the idle goes from 1k to 2k. the car has ****ty paint with dents all over. the exhaust note sounds like ****, all rattly. lets say the swap cost him 3k. the car also has an 8lb flywheel, clutch way too aggressive, doesnt even slip, intake manifold, intake header exhaust. lets say thats 2.5k more.

11.5k for a car that runs around 14.6

another friend has a b16 in the ****tiest crx chassis i have ever seen. its quick, maybe 15.4, but its a pos. it handles like ****, like all imports. its fwd. and oh yea, it has a black hood. he is atleast 10 grand into this car.

another friend just bought a bmw e36 325is. it has less miles than the civic. it has the ///M body kit. it looks amazing. handles amzing. i would love a car like that. it was 6 something gvrand. it has a 195hp 6 in it. its not as quick as the civic, but its a wonderful motor. it would run a 15.6 probably.

half the price. put 6k into the bimmer and damn.

yet another has an e30 325is. 170hp 6 with high potential, 2600lbish. its really clean. handles great, rwd, really fun to drive. it was around 5k. this would run a 15.3 atleast.

after these kids have all the money into the cars, they couldve gotten something much better to begin with. and all of those euro cars handle amazingly. civics handle like ****. put suspension on, and itll still handle like ****, but the ride will be totally harsh. these cars are also dank. no rattling ****, no ****ty cloth interior. honda prices are crazy, becuase stupid people buy them.

oh yea, my next daily drivers going to cost me 5600. its going have a 350ft lb torque v12 thats easy to get to 500hp. its going to be totally pimp. cushy ass leather interior. is it japanese? no, its a bmw.


That is one of the most dumbest post i ever seen in my life... ur such a idiot... comparing two FWD to a RWD bimmer.... thats stupied.... All front wheel drive car understeer... they cant handle as well as RWD or AWD... and you think that japanese car handle like ****... someone should kick ur ass... put a RX7, NSX, Skyline, Evolution.... any of them to the test vs A BImmer M3... in corner... the japanese will rule all... as for European is the best... thats ur opioion.... dont be a idiot... and put FWD with RWD... :lol: :lol:

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Originally posted by advanR
civics handle like ****.

Civic dont handle like ****... get you a Civic Type R and see if you say it handle well... the Type R has a better suspention... CTR is said to handle as good as the Integra Type R... and if you think a ITR cant handle... ur dumber than i though... ITR was named best handling FWD car... CTR is probably next... so think before you speak... dont seem to help you out...

Im sorry for sounding so mean in both my post... i usually respect people but for people like you who post **** showing no respect at all why should i show you respect... sorry for all my foul language and double post...

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i understand why you are so harsh. you are on that side of the coin, i am on this side. i was a little ****ed up last night when i wrote that.

my point was basically, spend 10k on a civic, and itll still handle like ****. believe it or not, a civic dx hatch, and a rusty ass 89 crx do handle like ****. get a decent car to begin with, and you dont have to worry about al that. bimmers are already setup.

ive become more arrogant lately about this, but i am sick of so many dumb young kids and their sport compacts.

also, sure, lets compare the supra, nsx, rx7 versus M3. but you know what? they are over twice the price. rediculous. i was making such a sad comparison, m3 versus 90hp civic hatch, because they are in the same price range, which is a joke.

it seems like the market is setup so that you can spend up to 20k on a "sport compact", even more if you want it to be setup RIGHT, RWD. why not just buy an older car that is extremely well built.

i have 15k into my car(includikng car 12k), stock suspension, and i kill stis and evos at the track. my car is also more original, and a lot more fun to drive. i think its a joke when im eating up cars with 100hp more than i have, twice the price.
 
But you also have to note that yeah probably the NSX, Rx7 and M3 arent in the same price... how about MR2, S2000, S15 they are probably in the same price zone.. .and all those will rip a m3 in corner,Autocross.. the reason they cant beat m3 in curcuit is the reason that there are straight ways in curcuit... being all the cars mr2,s15, and s2000 are all in the 240-245hp zone they are weaker than a 333hp M3... put them in a mountain road or a touge... and see that hp isnt everything... the M3 will no doubt lose to any of those car with same driver in a mountain road/touge... because the M3 is heavier, Wider, longer, all the above... but you have to reason the power in it too... with 333hp ... the M3 will have a great power to weight ratio but still cannot touch the light s2k,mr2 and s15... with there 245hp engines... Yeah your probably right... all the car i put nsx,rx7 and supra is alot more than a m3... if you buy a new m3 and a new rx7 they will be in the same price zone around 50... and rx7 will rip it up no doubt... but i thought ur comparison was just WRONG... how can you put FF cars vs FR cars... I LOVE BMW... no doubt... give me a M3 or a 350z and no doubt i will take the M3... see the M3... is a great handling car no doubt... the civic and crx are older models... 90 - 91 you say... the newer Civic handles way better... and the friends u have with the civic... i doubt he really wants handling... becasue you can spent like 10,000 on a civic not on power but just lighter, better suspention, tires and etc... to make it handle better... and you said "m3 versus 90hp civic hatch, because they are in the same price range, which is a joke." um... last time i check m3 are around 60g the new ones... um... the new civic si are like 16g... is that in the same price zone?!? Yeah and NEVER make a comparison between FF and FR... FR has advantage almost over everything...

and your car (which i dont know what it is) you said u have 15k on ur car and including the car which is 12k so that mean u spent 3ks on performance meaning engine mods... since u said you have stock suspension and you kill sti and evos at the track... i got a news flash for you... their car is stock... give them 3k to work on their car and i doubt u will be "killing" them... "my car is also more original, and a lot more fun to drive."- thats ur opioin not anyone's else.... "i think its a joke when im eating up cars with 100hp more than i have, twice the price." once again i have no clue what car you have... and um... sure you can eat a car with 100hp more... because your car is modded...

heres an example of something eating a car with 100hp more.... A JDM 2002 Honda NSX-R with 290hp... can beat a stock Z06 with 405hp... it can beat it on the corners... but not the straight... also the NSX-R with a V6 and 115hp more can hang with the z06 in the 1/4 mile... the NSX-R run 12.8s the Z06 run 12.7-12.8s... the NSX-R is an amazing car... so is the Z06 even though i dislike it... i still respect it... the fact is HP dont matter.. the NSX-R weigh WAY LIGHTER and the Z06 IS WAY HEAVIER...

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Again im not being harsh... and thanks for explainning that you know im not trying to be mean... im just explainning why i think what i think... we have a very good arguement cheers....

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Originally posted by advanR
believe it or not, a civic dx hatch, and a rusty ass 89 crx do handle like ****. get a decent car to begin with, and you dont have to worry about al that. bimmers are already setup.

From a 1985 Road and Track comparison

0-60 slalom speed braking

Honda CRX DX ................. 10.1 64.0 287
BMW 318i ...................... 11.6 60.0 279
Honda CRX Si .............. 8.7 64.2 287

For cars that "handle like ****", they managed pretty decent slalom speeds, especially against a BMW, I got the impression from your posts that there is nothing faster than a BMW.

The CRX DX isn't 90hp though, its 76.

And used prices for a 318 would be at least double what a CRX price would be. I'm getting the impression that you live in Europe, in which case maybe your Honda prices are a lot higher.

I've driven a Mazda MX-5 and Toyota MR-2 pretty hard, and going back to my Civic Si I don't think "wow, this car has terrible handling", because they don't.
 
Originally posted by advanR


ive become more arrogant lately about this, but i am sick of so many dumb young kids and their sport compacts.


www.supercars.net Make that your new home, and post only there from now on.

You're an ass. Go back to driving your pussy magnet... err, BMW, since it's obviously the best thing ever built. You just won't get it, so why don't you shut the hell up instead of digging up your hole farther? This is what i hate about this place, no one knows what the fuck they talk about.
 
Everybody thinks BMWs are just THE GREATEST *****ING THING EVER MADE just becasue they are BMWs. Granted, the Ms are pretty good, but you can get a much better performance car for you money, modified or un-modified than a non-M BMW. Its like the people who buy new Jaguars (basically just a Ford with "luxury" added, but boy, does that leapin' cat sure look purdy! :sarcasm:).
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
www.supercars.net Make that your new home, and post only there from now on.

You're an ass. Go back to driving your pussy magnet... err, BMW, since it's obviously the best thing ever built. You just won't get it, so why don't you shut the hell up instead of digging up your hole farther? This is what i hate about this place, no one knows what the fuck they talk about.

You're just mad because Ferarri is better than Porsche. Admit it.
 
Originally posted by rollazn
OMG.... i love ur avatar 240.... i only rock with MAMA... haha...

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I just randomly got that picture off a google search or something. It's been sitting, forlorn, on my hard drive, so I pulled up Photoshop and made it my avatar

Originally posted by rollazn
DISCLAMIER~~~ MOSTLY ONLY ASIAN KNOW WHAT I MEANT
Yes...errr...that would explain why I didn't get it.
 
Ok BMW's are great cars if you want a fine German engineered car. They are built for Germany, I mean the autobahns and the mountian roads. You can't dispute that there nice vechiles, you might not like the look of thme but to say they don't handle is bad, your not going to take a normal coner at more then 80 mph on the freeway.

Anyways a Civic doesn't handel as well because well its FWD and not really ment for taking a corner fast, a Civic is a economy car ment to get you from point a to b at a normal speed and burning hardly and gas.

You forget that there are a ton of cars that would smoke vechiles like that...the 2003 Lincoln LS is a nice car, beats out BMW in tests. How about the Corvette Z06? They can take a corner pretty damn well. Then the SRT-4, I rode in a buddys of mines and it handeled like a charm.

Every car company has its golden car, I mean Honda has its Accord, Toyotas has its Camery, BMW the M3 & M5, Chevy the Vette, the list goes on. So look at it that way of course BMW's aren't the best but they got the golden child.
 
Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
the 2003 Lincoln LS is a nice car, beats out BMW in tests.


Which tests are those? :odd: Excepting the price - of which the '03 5-series is, admittedly, completely outclassed - base V8 LS's are $11580 cheaper and base V6 LS's are $5820 cheaper - I'd have to say the '03 5-series is the total winner there, with the '04 sure to do even better.

I think a real test would be the Infiniti G35 sedan against the Lincoln LS V6 - G35 starts at $27800 with a 260bhp V6; LS starts at $31860 with a 232bhp V6. They're both nice cars and have similar spec, so it'd be an interesting comparison.
 
Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
you do realize you can't be fast with a system,extra body wait, and other stuff.

:odd:

Where on Earth did you come up with that statement. Sure a full system in your car will add weight, but that doesn't mean your car can't be fast. And weren't you the one that started all sorts of threads about the body kit's for you Blazer? Ha! Or is it now you think there lame cus you can't afford one?

Everyone has different tastes and it's kinda funny how all of you in here are trying to convince the others that "performance" is the only way to go. Maybe in your mind, and that's fine. But I certainly think that there could be a nice balance between performance and good looks. And certainly what looks good to one person doesn't look good to all people.
 
Originally posted by boombexus
But I certainly think that there could be a nice balance between performance and good looks. \

The point that a lot of us anti-'good look modifications' people make is that modifications like that usually are a general detriment, and the car, forty times out of forty-one, looks better stock.
 
Originally posted by PunkRock
[ This is what i hate about this place, no one knows what the fuck they talk about.

GTP is a video game site full of kids who will never own or drive anything other than an Accord or a Civic. Does it really surprise you that you can't talk about cars here or get back good replies regarding them?
 
Originally posted by BlazinXtreme

Anyways a Civic doesn't handel as well because well its FWD and not really ment for taking a corner fast, a Civic is a economy car ment to get you from point a to b at a normal speed and burning hardly and gas.

It may be cheap, but trust me, they can take corners plenty fast. They aren't built just for economy either, if they were they probably wouldn't have the four wheel double wishbone suspension, the stabalizer bars front and rear, or the 7000rpm 16 valve engine. Mine also comes with some pretty exteme side bolsters for a car thats supposedly made for economy only.

Jeez, you'd think a forum full of people who claim to be car enthusiasts wouldn't mind a car company building a car that's inexpensive, reliable, practical, and quite fun to drive.
 
^ Agreed... Even though Civic is FWD it can handle very well... unlike some other FWD cars ITR and CTR owns the curcuit... When people think of the Civic Type R or Integra Type R... they just think of how much hp they have then the lower model, but thats so wrong... the type R wasnt built to be more powerful really... it was built to have a Racing suspention... to handle better than most cars and thats what they have done... the type R's are no doubt best FWD handling car at its time... and yes their are alot of kids in this forum.. hell im a kid.. .but i guess im just a mature kid dont yo think ;)

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First off on my Blazer I was looking for a new bumper because I had gotten in a accident and I was looking to replace it, the bumper covers were cheaper then a new bumper and the ground effects.

My Blazer is not fast either, its not really ment to be, I would just like a little more power, something so I can pull a trailer with our dirt bikes and snowmobiles. Its not the best towing engine in the world. I'd also like some better mileage outta the tank.

As for the Civic I had one, nothing special, but I was stupid back then thinking I could make a Civic really fast, I admit it I'm a dumbass on that. But hey we all f up every once in a while

From my experiences a Civic doesn't handle all that well, but yet I have never been in a Type R before so they could be quite nice. I'm not going to knock it til I try it.

As for the Lincoln LS I just watched something on the speed channel about the LS test drive and they stated that the LS was better or equal to the BMW in many areas. Whether its true I don't know, but they are certinaly nice cars to ride in, I wish I could own one. And grant it they look like a BMW.

There are some front drives that are nice, I'm not saying they can't. The RSX impressed me when I rode in one, and like I said the SRT-4 did as well. I'm sure theres a lot more, I just can't say I haven't riden or driven in a lot of them.
 
Originally posted by BlazinXtreme
The RSX impressed me when I rode in one,

Which, as far as I know, is a Civic underneith the body, except with different engines.

What are you compairing the Civic with that makes you say it handles poorly? Like I said, I don't think it was much worse than the MR2 or MX5s I drove, if it was at all, for some spirited country driving anyway.
 
im not sure if they updated the facts and did a new test or not, but when the LS was first introduced and "beat" the five series, it was the LS with the sports suspension and high performance tires vs the base model 5 series on regular all season tires. so much for parity.
 
Also, the last time I checked the V8 version of the Lincoln LS was only available with an automatic. It's a pretty nice lookin car though.
 
Originally posted by retsmah
Also, the last time I checked the V8 version of the Lincoln LS was only available with an automatic. It's a pretty nice lookin car though.

Both V6 and V8 Lincoln LS's are available with just a 5-speed automatic, strange because Jaguar's S-Type 3.0 is available with a 6-speed automatic or a 5-speed manual. I'm not sure how long this has been true, but as of right now Lincoln does not offer a manual transmission.
 
I'm just saying Civics don't handle as well because its FWD, like not as well as some rear drives or such. I'm not saying that it sucks completly in the corners, its just not as good as some other cars because of its drivetrain.
 
For once I really have to say,"Who cares?" In regards to the original subject of this thread.
Where there is a fool with too much money, and too little good sense, there will be outrageous crazes like the JDM craze.
Back in the mid-sixties, people were "converting" 1963 Corvettes into '64's by taking out the Split-window. By the eighties, those same people were converting '64's into the more valuable '63's by fiberglassing in a split window.
When it comes to cars, people are always going to be going out of their way to "individualize". It's a fact of life.
Besides, it's not like they are spending your money.
 
Gil, does it surprise me of your comment.
Hit that one right on the head with your comment. I could'nt have said it better myself and good analogy too. ;)
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It just strikes me as a bit of jealousy that there are guys/gals out there running around in JDM spec cars. They've scrimped and saved for ages to do the mods, in some cases. Go ye, and do likewise. IF you aren't rich enough...save up. If you're too lazy to do what you like to your car, it doesn't give you the right to disrespect those folks that do have the drive to improve/personalize their rides.

For all of you customizers. Do whatever makes you happy. You're the guy making the payments. It's your 'canvas' to paint.👍

For those of you who are playa hatin' I have one piece of advice. Don't hate the 'playas', Hate the game. Failing that, get a rule book and join in!
 
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