JGTC S2 Round 5 Race + Results

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Round 5
Track : Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca - 3.60km
Deadline : December 11 @ 11:59PM EST
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RULES : Standard Online Racing rules for clean racing applied when ever possible.

Race :

Minimum of 2 wheels on track
Rumble Strips are part of the track
No intentional AI contact
No wall riding
No wall touching
No short cutting
No Cheating of any kind



SETTINGS

I will ask you to follow me step by step for the settings so that everything is clear and understood by everyone.

GT4 Main Menu ---> Options ---> Arcade

No. Of Laps : 40
Tire Wear : Strong
Driving Aids : None
Penalty : Forced Pit Entry
Time Limit : None


GT4 Main Menu ---> Arcade Mode ---> Single Race ---> Select Track ---> Choose Your Car

Driving Options

Transmission : Your Choice
Driving Aids : None
Tires : Racing Medium (really important, the AI must start on RM tires)
Difficulty : 10 for both GT500 and GT300


Quick Tune-Up

Power : Enter The Given Number
Weight : Enter The Given Number
Top Speed : Your choice
Driving Aids : None
Transmission : Your Choice
Tyre Type : Racing
Front Tires : RH, RM, RS
Rear Tires : RH, RM, RS

*RSH and RSS tires are banned this season, a driver getting caught using any of those will get an automatic disqualification for the event*


START THE RACE



TIME SENDING FORMAT

Send your replays to eatsviper4lunch@gmail.com

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Driver Name :
Racing Class :

Car No. :
Car :
Power :
Weight :

Total Time :
Best Lap :
Pitting Resume (lap info, tire set used, penalties) :
 
this should be interesting...the pits here have always been cruel to me...will have to restrain and just cruise it in at 30mph..heh

good luck for race day everyone
 
Oh boy more fun at Laguna...aaaarrrrggggg!!! Like the longer races, only did 5 laps for qualifing, should see some big improvements after 40. G'luck ya'll! I'll be in your rearview!
 
well, today is time for my first run... hope my car handles just like in the qualify...

and i want to do a 3 stop strategy... see if that works with my RM/RS combo... that would be great...
 
fasj6418
well, today is time for my first run... hope my car handles just like in the qualify...

and i want to do a 3 stop strategy... see if that works with my RM/RS combo... that would be great...
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I was gonna go the 2 pit way using RH/RM, pitting at 14 and 27, but think I'll test your RM/RS 3 pits at 10, 20, and 30.Need to time lenghh of pit first then see how much faster per lap the softer tires make, do some math and decide. I'll let you know what I come up with if you're interested.
Ran about 10 laps last night and had the same AI lineup as last race, except the FTO was the fast guy instead of the Mugen, by a good amount.Good luck all!!
 
Just reran again doing a 3 pit using RH and RM's at 10, 20, and 30 and was 40 seconds faster than the 2 pit. I'm not real good with tire management so this way I can run full out without trying to save tire wear. Beat the FTO bugger though.
 
Well, I'm on a !!!6 pit stops!!! strategy with RS/RS. Using the RH tyres is making me loose too much time perlap.
At least, that's what Excel is telling me.
Yesterday I gave it a try and got a good time on RS, with 3 short exits from track.

If I have time, I'll try both tyre sets for real.
 
Done my first race, with a 3 stop strategy! :eek: I'm frankly amazed that my tyres are lasting that long.

I'm happy with this race so far, except for the idiotic AI who ignore the blue flags.
 
jctraduz
Well, I'm on a !!!6 pit stops!!! strategy with RS/RS. Using the RH tyres is making me loose too much time perlap.
At least, that's what Excel is telling me.
Yesterday I gave it a try and got a good time on RS, with 3 short exits from track.

If I have time, I'll try both tyre sets for real.
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I was just about to email my times in, but now you've got me wondering. I'd have to get 2.5 sec. per lap faster for 6 pits to be favorable. Guess I'll go outfit my ride with RS/RS and see if I can do it.
 
Between RH/RH and RS/RS, I'm getting a diference of 4 secs, with my car. That's why Excel is telling me (mathematically) it's better with RS/RS. But I'll have to try and see if it is real.
 
VTRacing
I'm happy with this race so far, except for the idiotic AI who ignore the blue flags.
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Blue flags? Where? :D

Laguna Seca always catches me out with tire wear and pit times. I always expect greater tire wear due to some of the turns, and that looooong pit exit always makes me think the pits are longer than they are (I forget about the short pit entry) :)

Anyway, my first session was useless, had 4 spins, 2 resulting in a penalty, but I think I have a solid chance of a podium here...my first of the season! To think I had 6 podiums out of 8 races last season. Damn this real-life thing messing with my GT time :D
 
No way RS tires give me 2.5 sec. a lap, 1.4 sec. maybe, so I'm submitting my 3 pit run. No penalties, nice and clean. Probably restarted about 40 times to cleanly escape the AI's, after that it was pretty clean sailing. Last race the Mugen was the guy to beat, this week it's the FTO, although the Mugen was less than 5 seconds behind the FTO. I actually like Laguna now, have hated it since GT3, the corkscrew is probably the easiest part of the track for me now, turn 2 still messes with my head a bit.
Anyway I'm done and quite happy with my results, ran it completely 3 times and shaved 47 seconds from the first run (which wasn't clean) I admire you guys that can do this race with 2 pits, I just don't have the skill to conserve tires...even in real life.
Good luck all, see ya at the finish, don't drink all the champaigne before I finish!!
 
i saw last night that i can run a 2 pit stop strategy stopping on laps 13 and 27, but that with a slow, slow pace, so i figure its worthless... about 3 seconds slower per lap compared to a 4 stop strategy...

my final run will be on sunday, i hope its a good one...
 
fasj6418
i saw last night that i can run a 2 pit stop strategy stopping on laps 13 and 27, but that with a slow, slow pace, so i figure its worthless... about 3 seconds slower per lap compared to a 4 stop strategy...

my final run will be on sunday, i hope its a good one...
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I've also tried a 2 stop strategy but i was way too slow so i think i'm going with a 4 stop strategy as well. I think a 4 stop strategy is suitable for Laguna.
 
Andge08
I've also tried a 2 stop strategy but i was way too slow so i think i'm going with a 4 stop strategy as well. I think a 4 stop strategy is suitable for Laguna.
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Why 4 pits? If you run RH/RM you can run full out and pit 3 times at 10,20, and 30.Each pit costs about 30 seconds so unless your almost a second per lap faster with softer tires it doesn't add up. Just a thought...I'm finished this week already.
 
Drew22
Why 4 pits? If you run RH/RM you can run full out and pit 3 times at 10,20, and 30.Each pit costs about 30 seconds so unless your almost a second per lap faster with softer tires it doesn't add up. Just a thought...I'm finished this week already.
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I'm running with RM/RS and on average i'm 1.5 seconds faster than with RH/RM. I've raced a race with each strategy and i was much faster using RM/RS with 4 stops.
 
Andge08
I'm running with RM/RS and on average i'm 1.5 seconds faster than with RH/RM. I've raced a race with each strategy and i was much faster using RM/RS with 4 stops.
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Darn you , know I gotta try out 4 pits! tried two and three.Wonder if I can send in new times if I'm faster, I've already submitted.
 
what about a 1 stopper boys? ~ i did with RH on lap 20

no idea how it will stand up to your guys pit strategies

we shall seeeee
 
hOt6o4bOi
what about a 1 stopper boys? ~ i did with RH on lap 20

no idea how it will stand up to your guys pit strategies

we shall seeeee
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If you win with a one pit I'll bow to you each morning instead of every other morning. So what planet are you really from? Just curious, are you considered a fast driver on your home planet or are all your alien brotheran freaks also?:)
Dang, and your car weighs more then a tank.
 
Are these valid conclusions about Laguna?

If each pit stop costs 28 seconds, you must have an average lap time of 28/40 (.7") seconds quicker average lap time to generate the exact same race time, for each additional pit stop. (Figure about 5 additional seconds for the first lap).

Examples: With no stops and an average 90.00" lap time, that's (90)(40)+5 or 3605.00" total race time. Go faster (with different tires) by .7" per lap and add a single 28.00" stop and it's (89.30")(40)+5+28 or again 3605" total race time. Go yet faster (with even different tires) by another .7" and do two 28.00" stops, and it's (88.60)(40)+5+28+28 or, again, 3605.00" total race time.

Consider that the average lap time improvement, as a function of faster tires, must be the average lap time per segment (and for the entire race). If you plan to do three stops, you might pit on laps 10, 20, and 30. So your tires must actually generate the required average lap times for entire 10 lap segment, not just the laps with the tires up to temperature.

There is a point of diminishing returns as the tires get softer, I think. When the softer tires go off, they really go off, and it may become difficult not to lose many seconds from one lap to the next. But the same time improvement requirement will apply if you decide to run say, the same tires, but make an additional pit stop.

To be successful with more stops but with the same tires, you will still have to average 28/40 or .7" faster for every lap---for every additional stop, simply to match the baseline time.

With soft tires and fewer stops, you might have to be careful not to drive faster than necessary, just to make the tires survive the longer stint.

And to improve on the total race time, you must actually be able to go faster than the .7" average lap time reduction.
 
well, i just dont know what to do if curtis wins this race... i wonder if he would go for one pit, but i don´t know if that means a really slow pace...

i did 4 stops, with a real good pace, not really happy with the time, probably i will rerun again, but i´m 2 seconds faster with RM/RS against RH/RS...

the Takata dome is the best car for saving tires, that´s about the only good thing curtis has in his hands right now...

so, i had 3 more pits compared to him, so i have to be 84 seconds faster in the whole race, to offset that, roughly 2 seconds per lap...

i would like to calculate my average lap, i´ll do that just to have an idea...

still, veilside won last season´s championship always running with RS tires... if you push real hard, it kind of offset the time you lost in the pits...

i wish i could run with the same set of tires front and back... that would be nice...
 
fasj6418
i wish i could run with the same set of tires front and back... that would be nice...
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To be able to do that fast I think you need to be able to get even tyre wear over front and back. I havn't run this race yet (I'm about to after this post), but in previous races when I go into the pits my rear tyres still probably have 4/5 laps in them, but my fronts are shot. The way to counter this is to put harder tyres on the front which gives you understeer and slower lap times, or, softer tyres on the back, which again gives you understeer except now your rear end grip is shot too at the end of the stint.
 
Some difficult decisions here.

The tire testing showed numbers that indicated only a possibility regarding race time, while intuition said that that possibility was quite a gamble. So in the absense of love for Laguna, I decided to gamble.

The drive was always comfortable, with lots of grip available, and there were plently of rest periods. Getting by the other cars caused several white-knuckle moments, but no major schlamozzles.

The tire choice/number of stops meant that I had only a few end-of-stint laps where I even had to reduce the pace slightly as the tires began to go off. And because of the odd number of stops, two stints could be run close to flat-out.

My guess is that the gamble will not pay off.

(Update):

Final thoughts on the tires/stops after one last test: It almost surely is possible to have a faster race time with the fewer stops/medium or hard tires, but it is a whole lot more fun to run with the softs and stop often.
 
Time submitted.

If last season's time is anything to go by, I'm looking at a strong finish here. I find it quite difficult to run an incident-free race at Laguna. My final run still contained 2 minor offs and a very close miss with a wild and out-of-control GT-R Concept coming out of turn 8.

All in all I'm very happy with my race. Interestingly, at Laguna my tires seem to wear fairly evenly, while at previous tracks I've been running softer compounds on the rear. I think turns 1 and 10 have something to do with it (I tend to kick the back out just a tad to help bring the car around).

Anyway, good luck to everyone 👍
 
Finally, I had no time to rerun, partially due to work and partially because yesterday I organized a karting resistance race meeting and my muscles just decided to appear after a few months without any notice :yuck: .

So... I'm sending my first and only try with a complete race, as I had described before. 6 stops, on RS/RS all the way. Fast times lap after lap, I hope enough to compensate the times lost in the pits.

I believe I could take about 20 seconds from this time, but I guess I'll miss my chance to get a podium in the season... this should have been my open. After all, I'm having fun trying to do my best and I'm learning a lot with these long races.

Good luck everyone.
 
Just ran my first and only run. Made my pit strategy up as I went, and ended up with the 2 stopper.

I'm really not happy with how I went, the only consolidation is that I only had a few minor dirt adventures here and there and no penalties.
 
submitted.

i think its good, no penalties, no AI to bug me... only problem is...

4 stops, RM/RS all the way...

i think i have a good time, but i´m thinking at the same time that everybody will beat me...

i´m always thinking, "oh, those damn mazdas... jctraduz got the pole, so he is dangerous... zeratul has a faster car, pitted only 3 times ans he is happy with his race... the pitwork z is always a factor... curtis is curtis..."

so, i hope i get my must win, but right now i feel like i might be out of the top 3...
 
hey guys, stop sending times slower than mine I need to loose weight :ouch:

lol with a secong try I could of saved a good 1 min easy :lol: probably my JGTC most unclean race ever!
 
:scared: Finished my race, went w/ 3 stops Rm/Rm No penelties, onlly a couple of offs. Will prob. end up a minute back but then you never know. :crazy: Seen alot of teams putting lead into thier cars (go figure)
 
fasj6418
i´m always thinking, "oh, those damn mazdas... jctraduz got the pole, so he is dangerous... zeratul has a faster car, pitted only 3 times ans he is happy with his race... the pitwork z is always a factor... curtis is curtis..."
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Hmm...I was just about to post my pit strategy...how did you guess I did a 3-stopper? :odd:

Well, I did a 3-stop strategy :D Ran RM/RM the whole way, with some fairly buggered tires at the end of each stint. Turn 8 seems to be the tire killer, for obvious reasons.

Hey viper, when you say you had a bad race and ask folks to stop sending in slower times than yours, you're gonna make them very nervous ;)
 
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