JGTC S3 Round 1 Qualif + Results

First off, I like the quali format ! It spices things up a little.
What I don't like is the secret about the total lap count for the race.
It doesn't matter right now b/c I have plenty of time being up at the cottage and have my own schedule work wise. May is just around the corner and I'll get very busy. I don't know yet, if I'll have the time during the week fooling around with race setup's and tire wear. It would be only 24h Friday nights to get set. Also, on Friday's during summer month I have to get allot of things done and drive up to the cottage and have 1 or 15 pints !
That said, a time window of 24h on a Friday will be a big pain in the butt for me !
I'm only speaking for my self and don't know if some guy's here will face the same problem !?
If I'm the only one, just forget about it and I have to deal with it. If not, let's think about it !!!
 
Nuvlarii brings to light exactly what I was just beginning to explore last night 👍 .... seeing this is my first season, I began to make runs of 1/2 hr, approx. half a race... trying to get a feel for not only the car, but to start learning about tire wear and how to pit....

It seems that qual is now much like that of F1. You race what you qual on... granted, they know the length of the race, ie... # of laps.... Testing :dunce: ... don't know what I'm looking for... so I've tried to something other than just sit on my butt waiting :nervous:

While I do plan to submit a qual time, I do so with the intention of having my car set for the first stint.... how far down do the points go for the race ? ... this would help me determine if I'm quick enough to gain points there, or to try for the points in qual.... thinking "team" vs. individual ... which brings more points to the team effort ?

I liked the way you presented the situation there Tazio 👍 it pretty much sums up the current situation for me. Peddling as fast as I can to catch up to the rest of the pack :crazy:
 
well, you don´t need to know the exact number of laps to work on a strategy. you just have to know how many laps your car can drive with each combo, lets say 4 laps with RS, 6 with RM and 8 with RH. after that, you´ll know what to do during the race.

i´m not worried, because i already have my strategy figured for all the 12 races:dopey: guess i´m lucky. after round 1, newcomers will see that they don´t need to worry about such details, they will be fine:tup:

i see 5 cars having advantage in the GT500 because of the new rule for qualify, but that is not necesarely a problem... i liked the twist this new rule will give...

had some laps last night, i loved my new ride:dopey: it´s not an understeary pig like his older brother... this should be fun:tup:
 
Well, im done with qualifying and will be submitting my time in a moment or two, as for the rules, I think they are just fine as they are 👍
 
Aye, have a couple of beers and chill mate.

I am! Ahhh, lovely, lovely Guinness!:)

Personally I am only curious as to what qualifying times were done last season. The only Q times I can find are from JGTC 2005 (pages 12/13 of the main page)Wk 2. Problem is, that they were done on RSS tyres not RS/RM/RH's so there obviously is gonna be a difference.

Race times from the same race week, I can beat, Fastest lap times I can also beat quite handsomely.
Have an approximate strategy worked out using the number of laps from then also.
Eats did drop some VERY heavy hints regarding the number of laps involved, on page 1(post #5) of this thread, so just used my initiative and searched backward till I found what I needed!

Neil
 
Just to clear this little bit up before finalizing my strategy, are we allowed to change tire compound during pitstops? Say you start on RS/RS, and qualify on RS/RS, are you allowed to change to RM/RM during your first pit stop?

Thanks in advance.
 
That would be a resounding YES!

However if you start on RS/RS's and have to pit early cos they go off, you may have to use one stop harder compound than ideal at some point during the race to compensate.

Based on a 40-odd lap race,

Start on RS's
pit L5 and switch to RH's
pit L18 and switch to RM's
pit L28 and stay RM's
pit L38 and stay on RM's
Thats 4 pits,

Whereas
Start on RM/RM's
pit L10 stay RM's
pit L20 stay RM's
pit L30 stay RM's
pit L40 switch to RS's
Still 4 pits but the laps on RH's will hurt your total race time!

For the sake of a good qualy time?

Just my thoughts.
Neil
 
Ballstothewall
Personally I am only curious as to what qualifying times were done last season. The only Q times I can find are from JGTC 2005 (pages 12/13 of the main page)Wk 2. Problem is, that they were done on RSS tyres not RS/RM/RH's so there obviously is gonna be a difference.

Race times from the same race week, I can beat, Fastest lap times I can also beat quite handsomely.
Have an approximate strategy worked out using the number of laps from then also.
Eats did drop some VERY heavy hints regarding the number of laps involved, on page 1(post #5) of this thread, so just used my initiative and searched backward till I found what I needed!
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Don't forget about the increase in horsepower for Season Two, and worth some consideration is the fact that the races are normally right at one hour long for GT300. With the increase in horsepower and running the same number of laps at Midfield as was done in the original season (no race at Midfield in Season One) race time even for the GT300 class would be right at 56 minutes or less. Is that likely? I don't know but if so the GT500 race is going to be pretty short.

I don't think I believe the race will run as did the original season race, and I do think that Eats's second hint was more telling than his first.

But we love a mystery, don't we?
 
ejr_1
Just to clear this little bit up before finalizing my strategy, are we allowed to change tire compound during pitstops? Say you start on RS/RS, and qualify on RS/RS, are you allowed to change to RM/RM during your first pit stop?

Thanks in advance.
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Absolutely.
 
IcemanGER
You might be mistaken there a little bit.
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I am only basing my comments on the GT300 class mate.

I can do, in a test 'comparison' race, 56 min dead-ish race time (even with an AI induced spin- but no wall hit) and beat the fastest lap time(within the race) by over .7 of a second.

The same number of laps, with this season's tyre compound limits, and fair enough an extra 9 HP (which is only an approx 3% increase in the same car)

Only did it to see where I stacked up, and as this is the only race at Midfield what else am I gonna compare my times to?

Neil
 
Ballstothewall
That would be a resounding YES!

For the sake of a good qualy time?

Just my thoughts.
Neil
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Nuvolari
Absolutely.
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Thanks guys.

Yes, I have, arguablly, the most amazing plan I have ever come up with. Also, don't get confused that I'm starting on RS's. That was just a hypothetical secenario.

What I plan to do is [Airhorn] ********************...[/Airhorn]. It's a really crazy set up, and you all may think I'm nuts when I tell you, but thats how I plan on doing it. :)

I think I have my quali time set already too, but I think I'm going to have to work on it. It's going to be a challenge to go any faster with it, but I will try my darndest.
 
fasj6418
i´ll take the one in the middle please. send her over to my hotel/trailer after the race:dopey: 👍
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third from the right please to room 69 STAT.

Jerome
 
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Neil
 
Ballstothewall
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Neil
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first one on the right, that beautiful blond is mine:dopey:

once again, i pick first, that´s cool:dopey:

2 girls waiting after the race is over...:crazy:
well, since we are not talking T-times, we are going a little off topic here. but its fun:tup:
 
fasj6418
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had some laps last night, i loved my new ride:dopey: it´s not an understeary pig like his older brother... this should be fun:tup:
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Understeery pig? I guess to each his own! I think that the NISMO is actually better balanced (MORE oversteer if anything) than the Pitwork! Amazing what driving style will do to car impressions...

As for qualifying, if we're going to run qual tires for race with unknown duration, I think we should at least spice things up with more points at stake for qual so it pays better to sacrifice some in the race to get better qualifying. Instead of 1/1/1, maybe something like 5/3/1 for qualifying pace.

-SHig
 
Ran some laps last night and tried all my tires RS-RH and I think I am beginning to see why Curtis likes less sticky tires I can enduce drift while enter a turn a lot easier than the sticky R5 tires, which I think is letting me carry more speed thru the turns. That and its a LOT more fun on RH's than RS's. So are we discussing any lap times? I"m gonna do some pit strategy tonight then I'll be ready to go 👍

Jerome
 
All the rules in the official thread for S2 will be finalized tomorrow. 👍 I need to run out fast so I'll read the 2 new pages posted today in this thread later on tonight.
 
SHigSpeed
As for qualifying, if we're going to run qual tires for race with unknown duration, I think we should at least spice things up with more points at stake for qual so it pays better to sacrifice some in the race to get better qualifying. Instead of 1/1/1, maybe something like 5/3/1 for qualifying pace.

-SHig
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That's an interesting and extremely valid point.

If we aren't going to have lap number for the race (and I agree with that), maybe this change in the qualify rules would deserve a slight increase in the weight of the qualification points.

What about this as a suggestion, eats?
 
jctraduz
That's an interesting and extremely valid point.

If we aren't going to have lap number for the race (and I agree with that), maybe this change in the qualify rules would deserve a slight increase in the weight of the qualification points.

What about this as a suggestion, eats?
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Well it's a good idea, but what is wrong with the 3,2,1 points system we have now?

eatsviper4lunch
*NEW RULES* : For S2 RSH and RSS tires are banned for both Qualification & Race. The tire set you decide to qualify with will be the same you'll start the race with. A combination of harder and softer compound can be made (RM-RH, RM-RS etc). Doing this you'll not only have to worry about your qualification time but also to prepare a race/pit strategy for the race. Qualification is still worth 3-2-1pt for the top 3 with no peformance weight penalty like S1.
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5 points seems like alot for pole position, when you only score 16 points for winning the race(is that the same still?) . Also, if it's set at 3, it's not as big a hassle to those who don't want to ruin their race strategy by trying to score 3 points. If it was 5, it would be a big incentive to focus more on qualifying than on race strategy.
 
jump_ace
Ran some laps last night and tried all my tires RS-RH and I think I am beginning to see why Curtis likes less sticky tires I can enduce drift while enter a turn a lot easier than the sticky R5 tires, which I think is letting me carry more speed thru the turns. That and its a LOT more fun on RH's than RS's. So are we discussing any lap times? I"m gonna do some pit strategy tonight then I'll be ready to go 👍

Jerome
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Unless you want eats to personally rip your car out from under you, do NOT discuss any times at all, even the time of day:)
 
Also, if I'm not overstepping my newbie bounds...

I don't like the fact that I can't watch my entire race replay after the fact. Is there any way that maybe we can be free to break the race down into two sessions that equal the total number required? We could test to get a pit strategy, then start the race using the two shorter (though not necessarily even) halves that can be fully "saved". To make things fair (and emulate as close as possible a real race with a "competition caution"), we'd mandate that the "first" race be finished in the pits so that that part of the skill required is not removed from the equation. If you accidentally blow through the finish on your first race, then you add a 30 second penalty or something like that.

Then you add up your two best race sessions and presto! You'd still have to excercise the same discipline on tire management, but the whole race would then become verifyable, it'd be easier to go back and record your laptimes and fastest laps. Sure you wouldn't be free any more to do impromptu pitstops, but you would hope that a racer would have mapped out a good strategy and KNOW when the pit window would open.

Sure that removes the consistency and skill necessary to do the entire race distance at one sitting and I can see the downside of that, but it also reduces the frustration of writing off a race on your last lap (though without replay proof, that's always easy to "hide", right?). Not saying that anyone would cheat of course...

-SHig
 
no way SHig, haha that takes away everything from the long race format

GT 500
Pole Record : 1'03.897 ( veilsidebr ) ~ Nissan Motul Pitworks Z
Circuit Record : 1'05.253 ( kennythebomb ) ~ Toyota Woodone Supra

GT 300
Pole Record : 1'09.620 ( eatsviper4lunch ) ~ RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7
Circuit Record : 1'11.746 ( eatsviper4lunch ) ~ RE Amemiya Asparadrink RX-7

remember that RSS was used for Qualy...
 
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