JGTC S3 Round 1 Qualif + Results

[ZeratulSG]

Mine's not turbo-charged either.

It does feel a little 'lazy' because of it, especially out of the hairpin,

Such is the nature of rotaries to feel "lazy" during acceleration. The power band is so smooth that you don't get the gut-wrenching pull from the engine, but believe me the car is accelerating fast anyway

Just my 2 cents from driving a rotary in RL. Some have compared it to a very powerful electric engine (though I object to that comparison on principle )

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

5 stopper is gonna win this race, which is kinda gay

so.... i had a suggestion ~ dont expect any changes tho...

what do you guys think about being able to use the RS tires only twice in a race

it would sort of be like the optional "red wall'd" softer champ car tires
and they get a certain set of tires each race weekend

just an idea.....

 

[SHigSpeed]

Hey Curtis,

It's not gospel YET that a 5 stopper's gonna win I don't think (unless you've already tested a full race distance, of which we don't even know yet).

Yet, maybe after the first race we could discuss a mid season tire limit rule. Maybe 2 sets max of each type?

Hmm...

-SHig

 

[IcemanGER]

Maybe 2 sets max of each type? -SHig

I still think the new tire rule was a good idea. We all should think about it during this season to make it work. Maybe do a little test run beside a scheduled race. 💡

 

[Casio]

I think that's a stupid rule. (To put in bluntly)

If you want to stop 30 times in a race you should be able too.

 

[Drew22]

Again with tire restrictions, and again my 2 cents: Different cars and different drivers get varying laps on any given tire. WE, the drivers, should decide what tires and what pits we decide is best for our cars and driving styles. Forcing a specific tire rewards some drivers while penalizing others. I don't want to lose or win a race because of a biased rule. Let's keep the playing field level guys....enough governmental regulations. Maybe that was 3 cents worth...or not.

 

[SHigSpeed]

How about something like this?

Set of tires has a point value based on compound.

RH = 1
RM = 2
RS = 3
RSS = 4

You have 12 points at the beginning of a race weekend to use for tires. Qualify on RSS and you have 8 points left for use in the race. Points spent on mixed sets is based on the softer of the compounds on the car (though I'm open to discussion on this. Average? Based on the harder?). So in the race you can do 2 stints on RS and one on RM, or four stints on RM, or 8 stints on RH if you so chose.

Still no using RSH in the race.

Also, we could stipulate no RSS in the race, but I don't know if it's a bad thing to allow one stint if so chosen. Would be helpful on standing start races like this week for some though you will sacrifice qualifying to gain that advantage. I'd like to see that option available to use them in the race.

Discussion?

-SHig

 

[Casio]

Again with tire restrictions, and again my 2 cents: Different cars and different drivers get varying laps on any given tire. WE, the drivers, should decide what tires and what pits we decide is best for our cars and driving styles. Forcing a specific tire rewards some drivers while penalizing others. I don't want to lose or win a race because of a biased rule. Let's keep the playing field level guys....enough governmental regulations. Maybe that was 3 cents worth...or not.

Exactly.

Last year about half way through the season I found my RX-7 to be faster, and have even tyre wear with 1 compound softer at the back. So my only really option is RM/RS; RH/RM is too slow and has understeer. And that's what I need to do.

Also, it doesn't show you what tyres someone has changed to anyway on the replay, so there is no way to enforce it.

 

[eatsviper4lunch]

RSH and RSS are already banned on race day like in the past. For now nothing is changing with the rules. Give it some time. If some adjustments need to take place they will when time comes.

 

[SHigSpeed]

Good point about not knowing what tires are being used. Of course if you really suspected someone was cheting, you COULD try the tires to see if the wear signature was wrong. But again, you can't watch the last stint of the race anyway, that is if you had a replay device, so another loophole.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to leave it open for the first race or two to see what pans out, then if there's a reason to change anything, then we can do it then.

I guess the reason some people like the regualtion is that it injects a sense of strategy into the game rather than a blanket RS/RS laps and pitfest...

-SHig

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

if you really want me to smoke you in the race Casio

i can also do all Racing Softs for the whole season, what fun is there in that tho...

to even it out a bit i guess, i will be using racing hards

 

[IcemanGER]

Discussion?-SHig

I'm inn ! Not sure about the points system. It might be a little to much to start the Discussion.

Better start with the qualifying format Ev4l suggested and try it out. Analyse the result and go from there. Let's hear the Boss first, before we waste our and other peoples time again?

 

[Casio]

I guess the reason some people like the regualtion is that it injects a sense of strategy into the game rather than a blanket RS/RS laps and pitfest...
-SHig

It's happened before in real life. Remember Schumacher at France a couple of years back, he did a 4 stopper/5 stints.

if you really want me to smoke you in the race Casio

We'll see mate. We'll see...

 

[Drew22]

Shig, don't you understand what casio and I were explaining? Not all cars get the same tire wear so tire rules and restrictions are not fair to all the drivers. Remember the KISS rule?

 

[Nuvolari]

Hey Curtis,

It's not gospel YET that a 5 stopper's gonna win I don't think (unless you've already tested a full race distance, of which we don't even know yet).

Yet, maybe after the first race we could discuss a mid season tire limit rule. Maybe 2 sets max of each type?

Hmm...

-SHig

Nothing like a few more rules.

 

[Nuvolari]

I'm inn ! Not sure about the points system. It might be a little to much to start the Discussion.

Better start with the qualifying format Ev4l suggested and try it out. Analyse the result and go from there. Let's here the Boss first, before we waste our and other peoples time again?

Not sure if that was a "suggestion" by the Boss.

 

[IcemanGER]

Not sure if that was a "suggestion" by the Boss.

sure, his idea was to start the race with the tires you would use in qualifying !
......and it was a good idea, imo.

 

[SHigSpeed]

Shig, don't you understand what casio and I were explaining? Not all cars get the same tire wear so tire rules and restrictions are not fair to all the drivers. Remember the KISS rule?

Sure I understand KISS, but I also fear KIDD (Keep it Dull, D....).

As for different cars and differing wear, yeah, I know... My car works best this week with RS/RM or RM/RH with the rears JUST going yellow before the fronts go orange. Of course I could go RM/RS to even wear (though to get truly even wear I need to run RH/RS) but the balance sucks and I go just as fast with the RH on the back going the same amount of laps as the fronts wear at the same rate regardless of the rears. For the RX, I'd imagine that the rears wear at the same rate regardless of the fronts, right? OTOH, that may be different on other tracks. On the 'Ring, I got even to rear biased wear on RH/RH tires. Weird...

ALL cars go fastest with RS on one end or the other, so does hurt one car more than any other to limit the number of "hot" stints they can have in a race? I think it's good for the "show".

I personally don't think it's a biased approach. If you're (and all of us) are forced to use harder tires than we'd like, then it's fair across the board, right?

I think the RS/RS 5 stopper races will only happen on laps with short pitlanes though. Any track with long pits (like Laguna and Sears) may work against the multi-pit strategies. I tested Midfield and I think GT500 cars will lose 20 seconds or so on pit-in laps, and about 5 seconds on pit-out laps. Has anyone done similar testing on the rest of the tracks this year?

Also, all cars DO have different tire wear characteristics, so by default there is NOT a level playing field as far as tires are concerned.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Let the games begin!

-SHig

p.s. ONLY 2 HOURS UNTIL LAP COUNT IS ANNOUNCED! :^)

 

[eatsviper4lunch]

Just so everyone is aware, I'm posting the # of laps on friday not for people to start their race, it's to prepare a race strategy knowing how many laps each tire combo can produce. You won't know the AI difficulty, penalty system we're using and so on until the race thread is posted.

 

[Nuvolari]

Also, all cars DO have different tire wear characteristics, so by default there is NOT a level playing field as far as tires are concerned.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Maybe I'm just being delusional again, but does it seem that all this discussion about further modifying the tire rules is coming from a few of our colleagues who have not yet endured a complete season of JGTC?

I think that many of the fine gentlemen who have endeavored to enter the series have yet to grasp the reality of the major adjustment factor that our series administrator has adopted to "level" the competition, which is the dreaded "weight" change that results from blowing the doors off of everybody else. That factor alone will probably make more difference in terms of championship points accumulation than any other factor, at least among the contenders.

My own thoughts are that Easts has shown himself to be quite adaptable to necessary changes in the way he chooses to run the series. But of course it is unlikely that the series has much chance of being especially successful if it becomes mired in constant clamor with drivers insisting on this change and that.

Eats has done a fine job to this point with all the rules and regulations, so why don't we all support him in what he's trying to do and get on with the business of making a 99% effort to figure out our cars, substitute proper testing for intuition, keep good notes, pay attention to tire management, and do the best we can as Eats has set it up for us?

The season is starting and Eats has determined, in a reasonably democratic fashion, that the rules he has decided upon are proper.

And since this is something of an autocracy, and it should be, how about we get on with it?

 

[Drew22]

What Nuvo said. Another great season under way...and it will not be boring, especially with all the new, very fast blood that has arrived this season.

 

[hOt6o4bOi]

haha its funny how you guys can bring up the point that ive never finished the seasons

you wont understand em anyways haha

 

[ZeratulSG]

Maybe I'm just being delusional again, but does it seem that all this discussion about further modifying the tire rules is coming from a few of our colleagues who have not yet endured a complete season of JGTC?

I think that many of the fine gentlemen who have endeavored to enter the series have yet to grasp the reality of the major adjustment factor that our series administrator has adopted to "level" the competition, which is the dreaded "weight" change that results from blowing the doors off of everybody else. That factor alone will probably make more difference in terms of championship points accumulation than any other factor, at least among the contenders.

My own thoughts are that Easts has shown himself to be quite adaptable to necessary changes in the way he chooses to run the series. But of course it is unlikely that the series has much chance of being especially successful if it becomes mired in constant clamor with drivers insisting on this change and that.

Eats has done a fine job to this point with all the rules and regulations, so why don't we all support him in what he's trying to do and get on with the business of making a 99% effort to figure out our cars, substitute proper testing for intuition, keep good notes, pay attention to tire management, and do the best we can as Eats has set it up for us?

The season is starting and Eats has determined, in a reasonably democratic fashion, that the rules he has decided upon are proper.

And since this is something of an autocracy, and it should be, how about we get on with it?

Well said 👍 I would suggest all the newcomers give it a couple of races. In the 2 seasons we've had thus far, the championship has been extremely close in both classes and decided in the final race. To me, that makes a great racing series!

 

[KLR142]

Wow, I almost gave myself a heart attack. I thought the deadline was still today!!! And I ended up working late and didn't get home until after the "deadline". Yikes.

*sigh*

Ok, regarding all this tire business. I like it how it is right now. Except for RSS tires on qualifying, I'd rather have RS or harder, but that's OK! Making more rules and points and other crap regarding tires used during the race other than the no RSH and RSS tires, is a BAD idea IMO. Definitly going to say KISS on this one. Lol. Now, I'm about to go chop off half a second on my qualifying time. PEACE!

 

[SHigSpeed]

Hey, I've got nothing but respect for the administrator(s) and competitors of this series. Since there was discussion, and I had suggestions, I figured it couldn't HURT to put 'em out there. A new tire rule was made, discussion was had, the rule was rescinded, though qualifying points were adjusted...

I'm not demanding anything, and I'm just tickled that I have somewhere other than WRS to play now.

Regardless of what happens, I'm going to make the best of things and have fun.

Later!

-SHig

 

[SHigSpeed]

Maybe I'm just being delusional again, but does it seem that all this discussion about further modifying the tire rules is coming from a few of our colleagues who have not yet endured a complete season of JGTC?

Heh... "Endured"... Not sounding like fun anymore! :^)

I think that many of the fine gentlemen who have endeavored to enter the series have yet to grasp the reality of the major adjustment factor that our series administrator has adopted to "level" the competition, which is the dreaded "weight" change that results from blowing the doors off of everybody else. That factor alone will probably make more difference in terms of championship points accumulation than any other factor, at least among the contenders.

I can't wait to experience this dread in person.

My own thoughts are that Easts has shown himself to be quite adaptable to necessary changes in the way he chooses to run the series. But of course it is unlikely that the series has much chance of being especially successful if it becomes mired in constant clamor with drivers insisting on this change and that.

Again, I will repeat that I have not and never will "insist" on anything. I sincerely apologize if you have misunderstood my position... If you wish to silence my "clamoring", let me know and I'll keep my bright ideas to myself.

The season is starting and Eats has determined, in a reasonably democratic fashion, that the rules he has decided upon are proper.

Funny, I don't recall ever voting... He has, however, laudably taken in ALL of the discussion and reasoning and modified his initial decision to change the qualifying tire rule while at the same time adjusting the points to split the difference to those who commented. 👍

...how about we get on with it?

Wholeheartedly agree!

Gentlemen, start your engines!

-SHig

 

[KLR142]

I think I blew my engine up.

Yeah, not getting anywhere tonight. Tried something new, and it may have potential, but I'm just too tired to make it work. I got a full 7 hours of sleep last night though! I think the working for 9 hours instead of 7.5 like I normally do caught up with me. I'm annoyed though! Argh. Tomorrow. It's on. And then it's in. And then we find out how we did...

 

[ZeratulSG]

I think I blew my engine up.

Yeah, not getting anywhere tonight. Tried something new, and it may have potential, but I'm just too tired to make it work. I got a full 7 hours of sleep last night though! I think the working for 9 hours instead of 7.5 like I normally do caught up with me. I'm annoyed though! Argh. Tomorrow. It's on. And then it's in. And then we find out how we did...

9 hours? Damn, that's like a normal day for me, I average about 10 Though 7 full hours of sleep is also something for me to be happy about when I get it

@SHigSpeed: All ideas are welcome, of course, I don't think Nuvolari was trying to shut you up. He does make a point though, which is that most of the ideas are coming from the newcomers to JGTC. I think what he's trying to illustrate is that we've had a fairly simple and constant system thus far, and it's made for an incredibly good series. We fear change.

Besides, what's with all the Max Moseley's here? We've seen what complicating the rules can do for Formula 1

 

[Ricfight]

I Thought the dead line was the 15th,at 01.00 a.m (Portuguese Time = GMT London / Lisbon )
No problemo.
I've submited my time anyway.
I think I didn't let a lot of time in the track.....I hope...
I just made my best ,that is for shure !!Probably with one more day ,I could find a 0.3 s ,but now I have a 43 Laps Race to do and Win at Portugal,at Fisco's 80 in http://www.gt4portugal.com/ at GTPT Fórum with my Arta NSX.
I'm very ansious to see the results here ,to find more or less where do I place myself between the fastest guys of the world...

 

[ZeratulSG]

I think I've found about as much time as there is to find at Midfield. I'm at the point where I can only go faster by sheer lucky chance (now watch hotboi blow my time out of the water )

I'm loving this car, just the right amount of oversteer, a little bit ragged (but controllable), and the rough gutteral sound of that engine is music to my ears. She's able to surprise me at times...for example I can feel her lighten and hop slightly into the braking zone for turn 1, floating for a nanosecond...ahh we drivers are all insane

I'm very ansious to see the results here ,to find more or less where do I place myself between the fastest guys of the world...

Heh, yeah that's us, the fastest guys in the world, don't you forget it!