Just a quick question.

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GODfreyGT5
The mini open lobby comp where I battled you, you were in your m3 GTR, it flew away from my lfa chassi'd FC, and you claimed it was fast because you had been tuning it for three years -_-, so you tune cars to be too fast?

I joined you briefly today, and your supra absolutely disappeared from my s13, a common and awesome drift car.
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I meant to say Major Competitions. I only used that BMW because I was still quite new to getting back on my wheel and I was most familiar with it at the time for obvious reasons.

And no it doesn't mean I tune my cars to be fast. I just know how to use it..

And what about my supra?...

Wait, you are in a LFA Chassis'd FC and you complain about an M3? Hahaha.

Knight Spirit
Dude, I've been playing this game and been in this community since It started. We basically started this scene, I've been in loads of comps and I've had plenty of time to learn whats good and whats not. 1000Bhp ZR1's with huge wings are fast, that's why people used to use them all the time (This was before your time obviously), You can't deny that they are fast.

Edit: I dont like using the 'I was here before you' card but it's essential to my point
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Right now. At this present time. They are not that fast, they are irrelevant now anyway.. They are banned for pretty much everything.
 
GODfreyGT5
The mini open lobby comp where I battled you, you were in your m3 GTR, it flew away from my lfa chassi'd FC, and you claimed it was fast because you had been tuning it for three years -_-, so you tune cars to be too fast?
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A - That was a MINI-Comp, he said he doesnt use them in big comps...

B- That car has been tuned for 3 years or so, even before he got into this conmunity he was in that M3...

C- He never said he doesn't tune his cars to go slow so thats a bit of an irrelevant point...


EDIT: My bad, at the time I did not know this was already replied to by Tj, but my points still stand....
 
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Wait, you are in a LFA Chassis'd FC and you complain about an M3? Hahaha.
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I was using the LFA chassis, as I knew people would be using hybrids so I chose something that would be slightly faster than stock to have a go at competing.

Even with this compensation, your over-speeded M3 GTR flew away from me, as I said before.
 
GODfreyGT5
The death of GT5 comp scene XD

Drifting's not about speed..
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This entire conversation is based around that concept and Greazy's point is that there are some drifters that are just too slow. So slow, in fact, that you can't chase them without stalling.

I quite like slow drifters, they're the best to tandem with! We're talking about stock AE86 slow though, not fully tuned S13 slow.
 
Knight Spirit
Im confused as to your point, why would it be any slower now than it was before?
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There has been several updates and changes which have altered the car. On top of that during my time on Ds3 I tried a ZR1 so I can talk from experienced.

GODfreyGT5
I was using the LFA chassis, as I knew people would be using hybrids so I chose something that would be slightly faster than stock to have a go at competing.

Even with this compensation, your over-speeded M3 GTR flew away from me, as I said before.
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I don't really drift hybrids. With that being said most hybrids literally leave me. Hence why I used a BMW in my early days on wheel to keep up. If only you understood the capabilities of an LFA chassis. But anyways this isn't about me and you.



Bodyguard
This entire conversation is based around that concept and Greazy's point is that there are some drifters that are just too slow. So slow, in fact, that you can't chase them without stalling.

I quite like slow drifters, they're the best to tandem with! We're talking about stock AE86 slow though, not fully tuned S13 slow.
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Thank you, I agree with you on this!
 
So the slowness is due to the driver and not the car then? You're solution is to ban slow drifters from competitions? Drifting is about style, so although speed is important sometimes... Smoke, angle, line etc. are far more important. If someones drifting slowly with no angle in front of you, get a load of angle and show off behind them, don't concern yourself with what they're doing 👍
 
Knight Spirit
So the slowness is due to the driver and not the car then? You're solution is to ban slow drifters from competitions? Drifting is about style, so although speed is important sometimes... Smoke, angle, line etc. are far more important. If someones drifting slowly with no angle in front of you, get a load of angle and show off behind them, don't concern yourself with what they're doing 👍
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OMG! You are doing it again!!!!!!

You need speed to get angle. You can't get the speed because people are going super-duper-untandemable type of slow you can not do anything.

I'm not saying ban slow cars! I'm not totally against that. It kills the challenge.

What I'm saying is ban the cars that natural stall out cars because of the slowness.

You can have a slow car that is trying to go fast but is still so slow it is impossible to chase with every method used!!!!!

I have tried this myself!!!!!!

Please for the last time. READ what I am saying!!!!!!!
 
Simply put,
We all have our different views, how one wishes to drift is there choice and they should be allowed to drift with their own style because that's what makes us unique. If you forced everyone to drift in a certain way that would be boring, having to tandem with someone that has a different style to me is always fun because you can see holes in your technique and such. 👍
 
GODfreyGT5
But Greazy is talking about comps, where you need set rules and ideologies to make things fair.
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This. People have the right to have they're own style and whatever. I have no right to tell people what and how they should drift. That's not what I made this thread for.
 
GreazyTee
OMG! You are doing it again!!!!!!

You need speed to get angle. You can't get the speed because people are going super-duper-untandemable type of slow you can not do anything.

I'm not saying ban slow cars! I'm not totally against that. It kills the challenge.

What I'm saying is ban the cars that natural stall out cars because of the slowness.

You can have a slow car that is trying to go fast but is still so slow it is impossible to chase with every method used!!!!!

I have tried this myself!!!!!!

Please for the last time. READ what I am saying!!!!!!!
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Well said 👍 People need to read what others write before posting, we've had this exact misunderstanding about five times now. Please people, read!

Knight, picture yourself chasing a slow S13. Normally, it's something that can be done, right? Now, picture a noob drifter who is afraid of his accelerator pedal and is on the verge of gripping, but just about managing to get tire smoke; can you tandem with this person? I highly doubt it...
 
Bodyguard
Well said 👍 People need to read what others write before posting, we've had this exact misunderstanding about five times now. Please people, read!

Knight, picture yourself chasing a slow S13. Normally, it's something that can be done, right? Now, picture a noob drifter who is afraid of his accelerator pedal and is on the verge of gripping, but just about managing to get tire smoke; can you tandem with this person? I highly doubt it...
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Thank you again! The last bit Is 100000% is spot on
 
Why would the noob in an S13 be in a drift comp, and if they were barely drifting then surely the judges would deduct points for him having no angle and going really slowly... It's a very specialised sitution is it not?

I think you guys need to read my posts before jumping to conclusions, These slow drifters you're talking about aren't winning competetions by barely drifting, so whats the problem?

I said you wanted to ban slow 'drifters' not 'cars' you're the one not reading my posts properly...

This 'super-duper-untandemable type of slow' is just not drifting, therefore if you're in a good competion with competent judges you won't lose to it. If you're experiencing this problem, leave the comp or get some new judges.

Note: Make sure your READ & UNDERSTAND this post before you rush into a reply. I don't want to read another hastily written reply with more exclamation marks than fullstops 👍
 
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A 'noob in an s13' with no angle and speed wouldn't meet the clipping points or maintain a drift, and therefore would be pointed at for the cause of a crash, and would not be viable to win a drift battle.
 
GODfreyGT5
A 'noob in an s13' with no angle and speed wouldn't meet the clipping points or maintain a drift, and therefore would be pointed at for the cause of a crash, and would not be viable to win a drift battle.
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This:tup:
I've been in many comps (even some of the very first GTP comps when the game came out) where the lead car has been penalised for slowing/losing angle/bad line and causing the chase car to crash into them.
 
Knight Spirit
Why would the noob in an S13 be in a drift comp, and if they were barely drifting then surely the judges would deduct points for him having no angle and going really slowly... It's a very specialised sitution is it not?

I think you guys need to read my posts before jumping to conclusions, These slow drifters you're talking about aren't winning competetions by barely drifting, so whats the problem?

I said you wanted to ban slow 'drifters' not 'cars' you're the one not reading my posts properly...
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I never once said that a car should be banned from a drift comp, please read my posts :lol: I was the one who said that people drift slowly because of their skill level, not their car (most of the time, at least), so I don't think your point about banning cars is directed at me.

Next, when you get lots of angle, you put your drift at risk; you are pushing your car as much as possible, meaning that you are on the verge of spinning out. So, what do you do if you do push the car too far? You lay off the throttle and let the car grip up a bit, so that you're facing the right way again. This slows you down! So maybe some of these slow drifters are just pushing their cars too much, making it impossible for people to chase them. Purposefully stalling your competitor is against the D1GP rules, if I'm not mistaken. Actually, I'm pretty sure you need to drift differently when you're tandeming, so that you can actually give the chaser a chance; many people go too fast, follow bad lines or get too much angle so they lose all their speed. My point is that angle and style are fantastic, but when leading, you need to keep a steady and fast pace, so as not to 🤬 your competitor up and be a bad sport, as well as break the rules.
 
Thing is, they aren't slowing down. They are just that slow. They hit CPs the lot, most competitions held don't take speed into consideration so keep that out of the conversation.
 
GreazyTee
Thing is, they aren't slowing down. They are just that slow. They hit CPs the lot, most competitions held don't take speed into consideration so keep that out of the conversation.
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Well obviously speed has a massive part in this conversation, since it's a lack of speed that makes the chase car grip up and lose points.

Anyway, it's way too late here in England and I'd rather not embarrass myself by saying something stupid due to a lack of sleep. So on that note, goodnight.

But have this to lighten the mood a little:
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Bodyguard
Well obviously speed has a massive part in this conversation, since it's a lack of speed that makes the chase car grip up and lose points.

Anyway, it's way too late here in England and I'd rather not embarrass myself by saying something stupid due to a lack of sleep. So on that note, goodnight.

But have this to lighten the mood a little:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE">YouTube Link</a>
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I meant in the context of judging in competitions! Speed isn't a factor! E.G a slow car wont be penalised for being slow xD! But yeah man I'm heading off too.
 
Hey ! To truly answer the question in the OP we will have to dig a bit deeper.

Back in the days when drifting originated in Japan and the kids would take to the Touge all they had was what is now considered to be "Slow" cars such as a Hachi Roku, there was no cars that were considered to be "Fast" like a 370Z. Over a couple of years when new cars became availabe maybe a S13 was considerd fast. They actually used the drift technique to make themsleves go faster. These old JDM cars are the cars that were out there doing the first drifts and made drifting popular, which eventually got shaped into the sport it is today. Thats why some of these cars would be considered "Classic" or "Legendary" among drifters. Thats the same reason why they have become favorites within the drift community. At the same time if someone is learning how to drift they may often chose one these slow cars based on its history in drfting and they feel a somewhat natural bond to that car. Weird huh ?

Lets look at Formula D... Vipers, Vettes, Mustangs... Thats not OG at all. Seems like the grassroots are fading away. Its becoming less common to an older JDM car such as a Hachi. Almost like they are slowly becoming instinct.
To make things even worse some of the kids on here that LOVE Formula D so much they get inspired, and then go and drift these noob tubes on the game too. Making the the newy chewy cars more common than the OG cars that made drifting popular in the first place. Brainwashed by the media. The same kids that claim to be all about helping the drift community but then are pooping on it at the same time in another way they didnt even know. Aint nothing wrong with drifting these cars, but there should be a balance of different types of cars. Variety is good, we all know that, but turns bad when everyone drifts the same Corvette, which happens. Thats not variety anymore. Which is why they started getting banned.
Also you really think about it, thats the same reason why there is more balance, becuase people where forced to stop using the same car and find something else.

Basically nobody is gonna ban the slow cars out of respect.

When on a steering wheel its not hard to chase a slow car anyway... If you have been using it for long enough to know your way around... and if you know how to tune. Me and my Z like to tandem with both fast cars and slow cars. I like to see how much I can push myself to keep up with a faster car, but at the same time to see how much angle I can get and keep pace behind a slow car.

Hope this helped 👍
 
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I tried to break the circle. I dont think somebody previously mentioned what I said ?
 
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