Kamui Kobayashi tested the F10 at Fiorano

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prisonermonkeys
According to Eddie Jordan, he's on a rolling three-race contract. He mentioned it during the highlights on the BBC.
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Thanks I didnt saw it anywhere so I was wondering. But maybe Eddie have inside info.

I really doubt that Eric Boullier gonna throw him off like that tho. At the end of the season maybe but during the season I dont really see it happening.
 
HKS racer
Massa is still in Ferrari only because FIAT has a high interest in brazilian market. That's the truth. Sorry but you really don't have a clue about how things works with Fiat.
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This is totally BS! Show us just one brazilian FIAT ad with Massa on it and we will give you credit. I never saw one. Renault is and has been for a couple of years the company that advertises using F1 the most here. And Massa is not really a great ad guy here, people don't thrive to buy a car because of a guy who lost the championship 5 years ago and always come 2nd to Alonso. Sorry, but it is you that don't have a clue about Fiat, about Brazil and about advertising.

All fiat and Massa did together was to have Massa support a tiny initiative of a one-make racing series with fiat cars, but that failed after a year and no-one heard about it. I think it was actually a Massa initiative backed by FIAT, not the other way round. Not advertising at all...

Btw: totally support the idea of kamui on Ferrari if Felipe moves out. But would also love a kimi/kamui lineup at Lotus.
 
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Roger the Horse
I support Alonso retiring! :sly:

Anyway... I think Ferrari have a line up that works for them at the moment, but if they want another shot at the constructors then having a driver like Alonso is going to hold them back. His desire for dominance in the team will always mean that Ferrari will be forced to accept having one driver in a weaker position, which isn't good if Alonso's car breaks down with 5 laps left.

Honestly I'd rather Ferrari, Red Bull, McLaren et al gave up on this whole Formula 1 thing and converted to giving Le Mans a decent crack, but maybe that's just me...
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Definitely just you, yeah. :p

Seriously though I can't understand wanting Alonso to retire, Ferrari and a plethora of other teams in the past have had a clear no.1 driver and still claimed the constructors titles. Felipe is certainly capable of doing the job when he's at his best as the form at the end of last season and start of this season showed.

He had a poor Monaco, sure, but he's said he doesn't like the track and that's fair enough really. If he gets back to his best in Canada it's all good as far as I'm concerned for them.

Alonso is one of the best three drivers on the grid, it's certainly not time for him to retire IMO.
 
Samus
Definitely just you, yeah. :p

Seriously though I can't understand wanting Alonso to retire, Ferrari and a plethora of other teams in the past have had a clear no.1 driver and still claimed the constructors titles.

Alonso is one of the best three drivers on the grid, it's certainly not time for him to retire IMO.
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I've never been that fond of Ferrari as a team or Alonso as a driver, although right now I'd rather they won than Red Bull... Anyway, I don't even know why I'm commenting on this at the moment when I feel I've lost interest in F1. I guess it's just because I have a soft spot for Sauber and their 2011/12 line up...
 
legacyMACHINE
Was this from Eddie Jordan?

He's probably worse than Marko... :)
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EJ did predict Lewis's departure to Mercedes, so he's already much better than Marko.
 
DK
EJ did predict Lewis's departure to Mercedes, so he's already much better than Marko.
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But, even Suzi Perry says he needs a leash. His colleagues think he's a bit… like Mark Webber's wheelnut.
 
DK
EJ did predict Lewis's departure to Mercedes, so he's already much better than Marko.
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Yeah, disregarding EJ's comments becase you think he's an idiot is a pretty foolish mistake. His might have an intolerable personality, but he does know people up and down the paddock.
 
How long is Perez' contract? Because I think Kamui would scrap well driving for McLaren.

Hmm, since Ferrari will be the only car with a Ferrari engine, I doubt Kamui would get a seat. I just wonder about how good the Honda engine will be. Will we see that engine in other cars(Williams?) if another team want to ride Honda's wave?
 
Perez's contract lasts for several years. The team haven't said how long he will be around, only that he has a multi-year deal. I can't see them dropping Perez for the sake of taking Kobayashi, because Kobayashi was never a great driver to being with. He was popular with fans, and he had some speed, but he was never going to make it into a top team.

Also, Sauber will have Ferrari engines next year, and Marussia are tipped to switch to Ferrari power as well.
 
I can't see Kamui at Ferrari in F1. Then again, I was backing Romain for a championship in 2014, that's going down the crap chute.

I would like to see him at Lotus, Kamui that is. That said, I can't see Webber putting up with Seb for much longer, so I think end of season shuffle's are going to be numerous.

I'm not going to go into predictions, but I can't see McLaren moving Sergio.
 
prisonermonkeys
I can't see them dropping Perez for the sake of taking Kobayashi, because Kobayashi was never a great driver to being with. He was popular with fans, and he had some speed, but he was never going to make it into a top team.
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Agreed; this test is much ado about nothing. There are better choices than Kobayashi even amongst unemployed former F1 drivers (Kovalainen being one), never mind the up-and-comers. I fail to understand the continuing fanboyism for Kobayashi. He had one good race in 2010 (Suzuka), another good pass in a race in 2010 (on Alonso at Valencia), a so-so 2011 and then a regression in 2012 (bowling over his pit crew being the low point) mitigated only by the podium at Suzuka.
 
prisonermonkeys
Perez's contract lasts for several years. The team haven't said how long he will be around, only that he has a multi-year deal. I can't see them dropping Perez for the sake of taking Kobayashi, because Kobayashi was never a great driver to being with. He was popular with fans, and he had some speed, but he was never going to make it into a top team.

Also, Sauber will have Ferrari engines next year, and Marussia are tipped to switch to Ferrari power as well.
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What? He finished only 6 points behind Perez and he deserves a top drive but not Kobayashi? They were about even in their time together and Perez had great races and Koby had great races. No reason to argue this, but imo Koby was looked over because his lack of financial backing. Perez has Carlos Slim in his corner. Kobayashi has fan donations. Perez didn't score any points in the final 6 races in 2012. Kobayashi got robbed of a great finish in Spa by Grosjean's crash on lap 1. He qualified 2nd, and could have easily podiumed with their pace. Theres nothing imo that shows hes inferior to Perez, and Ferrari could do well with him in their second seat.
 
I think Ferrari could do GREAT with KK. And I think he got that WEC seat with them because they wanted to keep him close.
 
zippy_the_cat
Agreed; this test is much ado about nothing. There are better choices than Kobayashi even amongst unemployed former F1 drivers (Kovalainen being one), never mind the up-and-comers.
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WHAT?! Have you totally forgotten the entire '08 season?
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Kovalainen in a MP4-23 finished SEVENTH behind both Ferrari's, BMW's & Nando...the guy will, never, never get another decent seat in his career.
 
JGreens
WHAT?! Have you totally forgotten the entire '08 season?
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Kovalainen in a MP4-23 finished SEVENTH behind both Ferrari's, BMW's & Nando...the guy will, never, never get another decent seat in his career.
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I've actually begun watching the video from the 2008 season. He was on for a podium in Australia before an error involving his pitlane speed limiter, and got a podium in Malaysia after outperforming Hamilton. The Ferraris and McLarens were the class of the field at least in the early going but the BMW was on the pace too and with Kubica in one of those seats was obviously in capable hands. So Kovalainen was up against some strong competition.

My original point was, however, that Kovalainen rates a decent seat before Kobayashi does. 2008 results don't speak to that comparison.
 
Heikki has said himself whilst at Caterham that the pressure of driving for a top team like McLaren just got to him. Would it happen again in a top seat again? Who knows.
 
Samus
Heikki has said himself whilst at Caterham that the pressure of driving for a top team like McLaren just got to him. Would it happen again in a top seat again? Who knows.
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The pressure of driving for Ferrari got to Kimi too. He seems to have shrugged that off at Lotus. It's a matter of the team helping to create a comfortable environment for a driver. And McLaren under Dennis doesn't figure to have done much to help Kovalainen in 2008. Coming off the Alonso mess, they wanted to help Hamilton, period, and Kovalainen's job was not to make waves.
 
zippy_the_cat
The pressure of driving for Ferrari got to Kimi too. He seems to have shrugged that off at Lotus. It's a matter of the team helping to create a comfortable environment for a driver. And McLaren under Dennis doesn't figure to have done much to help Kovalainen in 2008. Coming off the Alonso mess, they wanted to help Hamilton, period, and Kovalainen's job was not to make waves.
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Umm I was under the impression that it was Ferrari that asked Kimi to go away with a big sum of money and not the contrary. I might be wrong tho.
 
I'm all in favour of Kobayashi returning to F1, be it in a Ferrari (would be awesome) or replacing Grosjean. F1 needs drivers like him.
 
RX-7_FD3S
Umm I was under the impression that it was Ferrari that asked Kimi to go away with a big sum of money and not the contrary. I might be wrong tho.
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Yes but he didn't enjoy the pressure that came with being a Ferrari number 1 driver, as we all know he isn't the PR hype machine that Ferrari wanted him to be.
 
RX-7_FD3S
Umm I was under the impression that it was Ferrari that asked Kimi to go away with a big sum of money and not the contrary. I might be wrong tho.
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This was discussed in another thread, with reference to a piece on a Kimi fanblog that rather convincingly made the case Raikkonen was victim of a Ferrari-orchestrated whispering campaign in 2008 designed to convince him to take a buyout.

There's not really a contradiction between Ferrari giving Kimi a push and the idea that Kimi was having trouble grappling with Ferrari's demands and internal politics.

Edit: It was interesting watching the tape of the 2008 Malaysia race. The Massa of that race was the error-prone and not-particularly-quick Massa we saw in 2011 and two-thirds of 2012. Which to my mind raises the question of which was the aberration, his 2008 title run or his more recent non-contendership.
 

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