Karting tyres

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Why aren't there more compounds to use? I love karting online and it would be great to have some wet weather tyres to spice up the racing on some tracks.
Does anyone else agree with me or what would be your view on this?
 
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I've karted in GT5 nearly every day since it was released. While I do agree with you that it would make things interesting, I think there are more important things they can do to make the karting experience more fun. Just to name a few:

- More kart-specific tracks -- too many tracks have severe bumps that would never be present in a real-life karting track
- Realistic drafting/slipstreaming -- the draft effect is grossly exaggerated. I can beat the second-place guy around every corner by several tenths and it doesn't matter, because he can get an extra 8 mph of speed in 3 seconds by drafting 20 kart lengths behind me. The game should reward superior driving.
- Rolling starts (this may be present already but I've never seen one)
- More kart selection -- I'd like to see different makes of engine (brand, CC, etc.) and the ability to adjust parts of the kart for aerodynamic performance. Shifter karts would be awesome, I think.
 
Rain tires would be great, but to be honest the slipstream is the first thing that need to be fixed when it comes to karting. Its a shame because karting physics is really good.
 
Rain tires would be great, but to be honest the slipstream is the first thing that need to be fixed when it comes to karting. Its a shame because karting physics is really good.

I agree mostly with the "good physics" comment. The spin effect seems to me to be a bit exaggerated, but it's livable. i.e., when a tire goes into red temperature it seems to take an unrealistically long time to cool down, even when throttle and brake are not being applied. The game seems to *make* you spin fully to penalize you.
 
I completely agree with both of you on the slipstream. I still love karting though:)

more kart tracks would be great aswell
 
Real life karting it's just as easy to spin as on GT5, and there isnt very many different tires either, they are so small that different compounds don't affect grip very much.
 
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. I think karting is by far the best experience in this game. Top-notch physics and competitive driving because of nearly-equal machines make it that way. The other thing I forgot to mention with regard to drafting physics is it seems to have an unrealistic effect on braking power. I think braking power is reduced too far when drafting. This can make it very difficult to judge braking points and corner entry speed.

Another thing I thought of that needs serious work: Polyphony's ramming penalty code. I can't count the number of times I've been penalized for simply holding my line *in front* when some idiot comes inside me and pushes me off my line by bumping me. For example, Gambon corner at The Top Gear Test Track. I have the line and I'm in front. Racer takes the corner too fast trying to overtake me. Racer uses me as a "moving wall" so he stays on the track while I am forced into the grass and subsequently hit the small white kerb, spinning me instantly. Then, throw the ramming penalty on top of that. For this reason I tend to avoid games with boost and heavy penalties. In real life, it's the responsibility of the overtaking driver to make a *clean pass* and not use the other driver's car as a buffer. This is more of a driver education issue than anything with the game, however.
 
Real life karting it's just as easy to spin as on GT5, and there isnt very many different tires either, they are so small that different compounds don't affect grip very much.

But you have rain tyres in the rain don't you?
 
there is a positive to the slipstreaming tho, was in a kart race at rome and was spun in the first corner, someone else spun as well and worked together for about three laps to get onto the battle for the lead, only for me to spin the next lap

But back on topic, arent the tyres sports tyres so there is no rain tyres available?
 
I tried driving a bog standard go-kart in the rain on slicks before. Great fun but so easy to spin.
 
there is a positive to the slipstreaming tho, was in a kart race at rome and was spun in the first corner, someone else spun as well and worked together for about three laps to get onto the battle for the lead, only for me to spin the next lap

But back on topic, arent the tyres sports tyres so there is no rain tyres available?

But for karts they have no treads in them so you are wheelspinning at all speeds in the rain.
 
It depends on the class, but most dont allow racing in the rain for safety reasons.

Go look in the karting thread. I can't think of any class that doesn't use rain tyres in the wet. Rain and tyres are an integral part of kart racing.


Check out my avatar for pics of karts in rain tyres on.
 
Go look in the karting thread. I can't think of any class that doesn't use rain tyres in the wet. Rain and tyres are an integral part of kart racing.


Check out my avatar for pics of karts in rain tyres on.

It might be different in the UK, AKRA in the US wont sanction any races that are run in wet conditions.
 
Besides endurance karting, I've never run a RL Kart race with rain tires. Generally, if it rains, its either postponed or cancelled.

You can't even turn laps on the local kart tracks around here in the rain, despite if you pay double, or even bring your own tires or kart.

Dunno about the EU, I guess there they do things different.


Also, had to laugh about the toe/camber guy.
 
Besides endurance karting, I've never run a RL Kart race with rain tires. Generally, if it rains, its either postponed or cancelled.

You can't even turn laps on the local kart tracks around here in the rain, despite if you pay double, or even bring your own tires or kart.

Dunno about the EU, I guess there they do things different.


Also, had to laugh about the toe/camber guy.

Why? I'm new to karting unlike yourself who has had an oppourtunity to do karting in a serious race at some point in his life. It was just a question to help me understand this better like I'm sure you did when you were knew to all of this.
 
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Why? I'm new to karting unlike yourself who has had an oppourtunity to do karting in serious race at some point in his life. It was just a question to help me understand this better like I'm sure you did when you were knew to all of this.

The brakes and wheels on karts are pretty small so even a small amount of water will make braking a lot harder, especially when some of them can hit upwards of 60 mph. It also makes it a lot easier to spin, which is already a big enough problem when its dry.

Also most racing karts only have an inch or 2 of ground clearance so if its raining and there is a puddle there is a decent chance of flooding the kart, getting wet, or ruining a engine which can cost upwards of $10,000 to replace.
 
The brakes and wheels on karts are pretty small so even a small amount of water will make braking a lot harder, especially when some of them can hit upwards of 60 mph. It also makes it a lot easier to spin, which is already a big enough problem when its dry.

Also most racing karts only have an inch or 2 of ground clearance so if its raining and there is a puddle there is a decent chance of flooding the kart, getting wet, or ruining a engine which can cost upwards of $10,000 to replace.

$10,000, that's insane. No wonder so few people can do karting when costs can reach that amount!

I see what you mean about braking, first corner at eiger in the wet the kart will always lock up so you have to brake for almost 3 times as much in order to slow it down for the corner.
 
The engines they use in the game (yamaha) do not cost $10000.
With kart racing in oz they implemented wet tyres for racing a few years back. Before that it was slicks in the rain and when it rained you put a plastic cover over the air box to stop water getting in it.
Even if it rained while you were out there, you just turn your air box to the side to stop water getting in. If it does get in, I never saw one engine get destroyed. The water pools at the bottom of the air box as it is on a angle, but even that water was very little.
 
The engines they use in the game (yamaha) do not cost $10000.
With kart racing in oz they implemented wet tyres for racing a few years back. Before that it was slicks in the rain and when it rained you put a plastic cover over the air box to stop water getting in it.
Even if it rained while you were out there, you just turn your air box to the side to stop water getting in. If it does get in, I never saw one engine get destroyed. The water pools at the bottom of the air box as it is on a angle, but even that water was very little.

The Karts in the game in general do not represent top tier karting. The karts in the game are straight chassis, single gear, locked ratio karts that more approximate somewhere between level KF1 and the lower KF3 (I'll use internationally recognized abbreviations from here to keep consistent).

In most series with that spec, beyond endurance karting and special events, rain tires are not used outside of specific kart championship races.

You're right about the airbox, and the engines, ive not seen an engine destroyed by rain either. However the main two reasons are safety, and the second reason is cost effectiveness.

I've fielded two karts over the past five years (what are essentially KZ1 spec shifter and KF1 spec I use mainly for enduros) if I had to spend money on replacement rain tires for my KZ1, I would never compete. The KF1 can use the same tires, but only for enduros.

Most tracks simply shut down in the rain for safety reasons here. Like I said, EU and others might do it different.

$10,000, that's insane. No wonder so few people can do karting when costs can reach that amount!

I see what you mean about braking, first corner at eiger in the wet the kart will always lock up so you have to brake for almost 3 times as much in order to slow it down for the corner.

In the top tier of karting (which im not involved in) it can cost as much to field a superkart as it costs to field a formula ford. However, 10k per engine is a bit unrealistic unless your in the world championships. Depending on the series, a decent kart spec (Shifter or otherwise) will run about five to seven grand per turnkey kart.

Tires are were the main costs lie, and engine if maintained will last alot of races provided your driver isn't stupid and you set the gearing properly to not bang the hell out of the limiter.

Back in the 90s, I used to pay 2$ a lap at local kart track that ran offset "Karnykarts" which were basically repurposed oval karts. I used to go down on rainy days because I thought it was fun to run in the rain (back when they couldn't just shut down the track and refund money and remote-kill was something of the future) I've known people to get injured doing that, and stopped myself once I matured. Never seriously mind you, but I guess safety > racing nowadays.
 
What track is that?

Mine was a little redneck seasonal type deal, it didn't run any FIA karting events afaik
 

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