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Discussion in 'Auto News' started by GTjazzabrandy, Jan 16, 2010.
I see a lot of Reventon and Estoque in this.
Lookin good. I just hope it's less polygonal and more clean.
It will be. This car is a big mix of Gallardo & Murcie. structures right now with the new items.
Looks a lot leaner than the Murcielago. Looks great so far!
It will be shorter in wheelbase as well more "green" from what I hear.
And sadder news, like Ferrari, the 6-speed gearbox is dead from here-on.
Bah. This is terrible. I hope they realize there are many people who prefer the proper 3 pedal layout even though the flappy paddles can shift much faster. There's something more satisfying with having a proper manual than clicking a simple paddle in my opinion.
I know, but like Ferrari again, only producing one gearbox cuts production costs by a good margin as the rear ends have to be re-engineered for the 6-speeds.
This came pretty apparent when Lamborghini made the E-Gear standard & started charging $10,000 for the 6-speed.
Lambo manuals tended to suck anyways. I'm still sad about the loss of the V12, though. Unless it is a "new" engine like the Bentley Mulsanne has a "new" engine. Then I'll be fine with it.
But call the car something else, please.
Yeh... It just doesn't sound as it's predecessors... Needs something more flary and in-your-face than "Jota" which just puts a picture of a volkswagon in my mind for some reason......
Agreed, it doesn't sound fiesty enough, and it shouldn't be taken onto the production car IMO. That being said, Jota is an old Lamborghini name/designation; google P400 Jota.
I'm actually really, really liking the form of the car, even in its disguise. The side intake/door area really looks amazing. It's rare for me to feel so passionatly about pre-production disguised cars, but this definitely looks like it will be stunning when it's unveiled. It seems longer than the Murci too, which is nice for differenciating the proportions from the Gallardo.
Mmm looks delicious, but that name is bleh.
Needs something sharp and agressive.
Jota is a historic Lamborghini name. Just one step away from Miura.
But the fact that it's a historic model name is a good reason not to use the name.
They've never used Historic model names, anyway. There's gotta be another fighting bull out there somewhere...
I'm also horridly concerned about that "Sideblade" on the camo. I marginally like Lamborghini...but if that stupid R8 styling cue makes it to production I'm gonna have to renounce my membership in the fanclub.
If Top Gear doesn't decide to show this in its next magazine then I will be forced to go on strike with my hobby of cars.
Autocar had a news piece on this. It's supposed to be a seven litre with 700-720bhp and a 300K GBP pricetag.
^I fail to see how an engine of that much displacement and power can be green. Unless they do that cylinder shut off, ninja hybrid sort of thing.
That sideblade could just be part of the camo to hide what the real lines of the car are like (though, this being a Lambo, I can't see them being that different to the camouflaged car), similar to how manufactuers hide the form of smaller details like headlights and such with camo tape.
Agreed about the historic names though, though I do suspect this is just a temporary name considering the history behind the old one (conforming to FIA appendix J regulations, hence Jota, being Spanish for J... That's from Wikipedia). Also there was the recent Miura concept, historic name but never came to production. Oh and there's this quote on Wikipedia from Stefan Winkelmann (Lamborghini's CEO):
The Miura was a celebration of our history, but Lamborghini is about the future. Retro design is not what we are here for. So we wont do the Miura.
I'm hoping for less than 3000 lbs and RWD. I still indentify Lamborghini with RWD like the Diablo despite their change of heart with the Murcielago and Gallardo. It's just a better a drivetrain, especially for an overpowered supercar.
If only the US would follow.
I was very excited with it until you said the "E" word...E...E...Estoque . Now I have to wash my eyes after reading that sole word, "Estoque" should be filtered in all forums and appear as "".
However, I liked the Jota a lot, those big air intakes in the sides might be a clue of a tremendously powerful bull under the hood (Just like Duffers said...terrific power, 100+HP than the standard LP640). It just needs a Verde Ithaca paintjob, another name, and it'll be a proper Lamborghini.
I don't want to be rude but Sports cars =/= Ecology. People have to face it. Even though it uses ethanol or whatever, it's still contaminating. But in my opinion, this aren't the cars that have to sacrifice performance for ecology. They should be eficient, why not, but for the low production numbers they have and the low mileage they do they don't polute too much compared to other cars. City cars are the ones that polute the most, and have to go Hidrogen/Electric and be zero-emissions, just so we can enjoy things like this without remorse . Yes, I know...I live in a fantasy world .
Meh, its not different enough. I dislike making new cars that look so similar to their predecessors, even if those predecessors looked good.
Yawn, make something actually new Lambo!
Ironic considering that quote above
It'll probably be the same when the Diablo 6.0 was really just re-engineered to a 6.2-liter.
I'm also sure the firing order will remain the same to keep that Lamborghini V12 sound.
Jota was a name given more to limited edition, high performance models as well, so I don't believe Lamborghini would signify the new car as such.
You do realize more Diablos were sold with the VT system than RWD, right? Or that 70% of the power in the VT system is sent to the rears, so it can still snap away.
I think I see some Diablo bits here and there, then again I might just be hallucinating.
When I first heard "Jota," I thought of this:
Anyway, outside of the SV, I never cared much for the big Lambo. Hopefully this will change that, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high. Otherwise, I think the bread-and-butter is with the little kids now.
I have no idea about the ratio of RWD to AWD Diablo's, but no matter how much power goes to the rear, there's still 200 lbs of weight up front.
AWD isn't a bad thing, it just doesn't seem to fit Lamborghini (even if it is now a core part of their cars).
AWD has been one of the cars biggest selling factors because it helps keep them planted very well. Planting RWD-only in a car like the Murcielago would be a quick way to overwhelm the numerous amount of wealthy folks who buy them seeing as they still pull off stunts like this.
Lambo's were never particularly sure footed; being 10 feet wide, a hundred feet long and weighing nearly as much as a 3000GT (not that they handled bad. Just that they were rather nasty). Having all wheel drive allows the millionaire yuppies who buy Lambos to be repeat customers, because it is harder to be continually buy into a brand when you are very dead.
Suffice to say, I have no problem with AWD Lambos. I just wish that when Lamborghini does throw out the occasional RWD model that they would stop detuning them.
It'll probably be an AWD car, but I'd at least like to see it be offered in RWD.
The awesomeness of old Lambos like the Diablo and Countach was that they were animals that were difficult to drive, or at least more extreme. I'd bet that you see a lot more AWD Lamborghinis sold because you have rich people who probably couldn't care less about cars buying them as status symbols. And that isn't Lamborghini IMO. That's Toyota status.
Hopefully this thing will be more extreme than the Murcie. I have a lot of respect for the car, but it just doesn't do it for me.
I really liked the challenge that the Murcie put forward. There is something about the size, the noise and that evil stance that makes a Lambo differ from all others.
I too, would love to see a Rwd version. Unfortunatley of all the cars sold (as it is with every supercar) 95% of them will probably never do anything except take off quick from the lights. And the owners couldn't care less for RWD.
Wow, didn't take much to cook that clutch. Sounds great though.