Lap Times on the complete "Nordschleife "!

[SaintKamus]

well, i'm giving up on the 120i for today with a 9'01.8xx , i spent a lot of time improving the first half of the track and i got the above time even with a few small mistakes at the second half.. it seems i'm spending 5x as much time practicing on the first half as the second half. now im a little more optimistic about being able to do it eventually though.

about the power, i found that corner exits are extremely important on the 120i and that is because many of the corners are 'beginning of third gear' or 'top of 2nd gear' so if you miss even a few km/h from 'optimal exit' you might be punished because the engine is then missing a lot of power if you are trying to do them in 3rd -- i'm doing most of the tight corners in 3rd in my attempts.

yep, i agree, you must have the car avobe 5k revs to get it's torque, if you fall below 4 k it's a slow way up.

 

[Fizio]

I say j_ and Flinks are not teling truth about the lap times... Yes, direct attack

j_ has game for 2 days...!!! I am driving BMW Demo for 2 months and belive me I know the track by heart down to every corner and I'm also driving on DFP.
Yesterday my two friends and me tried to verify that times. Two of us were driving on road tyres and one on sports tyres. MT, DSC off ofcourse. My friend Dodo made 9:09.432 with road tyres and I made 9:11.202 with some mistakes. Dodo's lap was nearly perfect. By analysing T1, T2, T3... times I'd say it could be done in 9:07... and because the track is so long and have many corners I'd give 2 more sec for improvement over that. I say it's impossible to drive faster than 9:05 on road tyres and times under 9 min are science fiction!!!!!!!!!!!
I think zonekill can verify that since he also made killer lap with 9:09:418
...!!! I think every time under 9:10 is pretty fast one...
My friend Davor drove sports tyres and made 8:52.240. Let's give him another 2 sec for improvement than it would be 8.50... with sports tyres...
Since j_ clearly stated that he didn't make a mistake and verified that he drowe on road tyres I say he is telling lie...!!!!!!!
For proof of that under 9min times I'll take no less than full all in one shot video including the selection screen to see the settings chosen...

Like I said in title I never understood why posting false times and trying to be the best, yet all the time knowing that you are not and that you are lieing to yourself...


Sorry 4 spelling mistakes...


As for reference on my driving:
GT3: 100%, All Gold
GTC: 100%
GTP: 100%, All Gold

 

[rennsemmel]

I say j_ and Flinks are not teling truth about the lap times... Yes, direct attack

And whats about the video of j_ ? You see the splittimes the whole race and if you are so familiar with the demo you will see that he's driving with road tires.

See ... I thought I am a pretty good GT-Driver because i have beaten everyone I know with GT3... and then I saw some times in Databases (with X-port verification) and I was wondering how they're doing it...

But if you are doing some online-racing (with other games ... till now )... you'll see that there are some people with an incredible pace and you'll come to the result: 💡

YES , THERE ARE SOME BETTER RACE-DRIVERS THAN ME !!!

Its hard, but its the truth !!!!

 

[Arwin]

Sorry Fizio, but I know Flinx personally, I have seen him drive live at iLinks and he has posted replays of great runs in many online challenges for many years, and all his replays have always turned out to be clean and legit. He's just one of the most talented and experienced drivers in Europe, annoying maybe, but true. After seeing all that, what's really scary is that there are some people out there that can still sometimes beat him.

I love the 120i on Road Tires best, as it drives a little like my Alfa 155 in terms of gearing - that car too needs to stay above 4000rpm and has its torque and power peaks at 5000rpm and 6000rpm. It also sounds more like that car, the 120d sounds a bit dull, and although its performance is very impressive its long torque range just makes it a bit more boring to drive.

I love how the Road Tires handle and how realistically the tires squeal when tested to the limit. I'm very much impressed and can't wait to take this game online. 👍

After about 10 laps my best is 23 seconds slower than Flinx, but I only just realised that there are signs every 1km that will definitely help with memorising the track.

 

[Fizio]

He's just one of the most talented and experienced drivers in Europe, annoying maybe, but true. After seeing all that, what's really scary is that there are some people out there that can still sometimes beat him.

Respect... maybe he is a great driver... BUT...

I'll say it again:
BMW 120d
ROAD TIRES
DSC off
MT
DFP

Imposible under 9:05....!!!!!!!!! under 9 min times are science fiction!!!!!!!!!!!
I stick to that. Make a video and prove me wrong...
I'll point again that j_ has game for 2 days and I'm driving it for 2 months... 8:55... time that he is saying SPORT tires=yes, ROAD tires=NO WAY MAN

As for online racing and best lap times I also have few times in TOP10 at GT3Times. But this is default BMW no settings to change just tire selection...

 

[j_]

I say j_ and Flinks are not teling truth about the lap times... Yes, direct attack

j_ has game for 2 days...!!! I am driving BMW Demo for 2 months and belive me I know the track by heart down to every corner and I'm also driving on DFP.

.....

Since j_ clearly stated that he didn't make a mistake and verified that he drowe on road tyres I say he is telling lie...!!!!!!!
For proof of that under 9min times I'll take no less than full all in one shot video including the selection screen to see the settings chosen...

when did i say i didn't make mistakes? i said i made mistakes both on my 8'56.2xx lap that i recorded to DivX and had up for download the last 2 days and the low 8'55 lap i did the next day. i had the game for two days, of coarse im going to make mistakes! so there is video proof of me doing 4 seconds below a time you already state as "impossible", yet even that still have much room for improvement on it (and has been improved upon by both me and flinx as both he stand i stated already).
If you didn't see it, i'm sorry but it has been removed now. Plenty of other people besides me who you obviously don't trust can tell you they saw it.

I thought the whole point of comparing lap times was to see how you fare against others and not to lie or accuse people of lying, once you get online you will see how stiff the competition can REALLY be. i'm sorry to tell you this, but the chances are you are not the best driver in the world even if you think so right now, and you will find that out once you get online my friend.

edit: oh, and when i say i make mistakes, they are the ones who cost maybe .10 - .20 seconds in a corner, not the ones where you are off the track or on the grass just so you know. i only finish and post valid laps.

 

[Fizio]

I never said that I am or that I think that I am best driver...
I don't know what you meen by "once you get online you will see how stiff the competition can REALLY be". Belive me I know... And don't you worry about my driving skills, I'll be more than happy to meet with guys like you online...

By "mistake" I was refering that you didn't make mistake about tire selection since you twice said ROAD TIRES...

I just say that that times were made with SPORT TIRES NOT THE ROAD TIRES...

If you can drive ROAD TIRES UNDER 9min I'LL CUT MY D**K OFF...
I'd say even 9:05...!!!!!!!!
Thats how sure I'm that you are presenting us times with SPORT TIRES, and teling us that were times with ROAD TIRES....

And for sport tires I mentiond earlier we maneged to do 8:52.240...

 

[SaintKamus]

when did i say i didn't make mistakes? i said i made mistakes both on my 8'56.2xx lap that i recorded to DivX and had up for download the last 2 days and the low 8'55 lap i did the next day. i had the game for two days, of coarse im going to make mistakes! so there is video proof of me doing 4 seconds below a time you already state as "impossible", yet even that still have much room for improvement on it (and has been improved upon by both me and flinx as both he stand i stated already).
If you didn't see it, i'm sorry but it has been removed now. Plenty of other people besides me who you obviously don't trust can tell you they saw it.

I thought the whole point of comparing lap times was to see how you fare against others and not to lie or accuse people of lying, once you get online you will see how stiff the competition can REALLY be. i'm sorry to tell you this, but the chances are you are not the best driver in the world even if you think so right now, and you will find that out once you get online my friend.

edit: oh, and when i say i make mistakes, they are the ones who cost maybe .10 - .20 seconds in a corner, not the ones where you are off the track or on the grass just so you know. i only finish and post valid laps.

howbout you post your times with all 3 tyres? and post a video of arcade tires to go with it?
not doubting your lap, it just may be doable. but if you can do sub 9 min times with road tires, i'm sure you'll have no problem posting sub 8 min times with arcade tires.

 

[Flinx]

Respect... maybe he is a great driver... BUT...

I'll say it again:
BMW 120d
ROAD TIRES
DSC off
MT
DFP

Imposible under 9:05....!!!!!!!!! under 9 min times are science fiction!!!!!!!!!!!
I stick to that. Make a video and prove me wrong...
I'll point again that j_ has game for 2 days and I'm driving it for 2 months... 8:55... time that he is saying SPORT tires=yes, ROAD tires=NO WAY MAN

As for online racing and best lap times I also have few times in TOP10 at GT3Times. But this is default BMW no settings to change just tire selection...

if you want to anger me, learn to drive and be faster than me.

but you accusation is some minor insult since you lived under a rock the last years, otherwise you´d heard of me and, thanks Arwin, that i always post clean times.
in addition, please do not talk about things you obviously don´t have a clue about, especially about the game limits regarding the lap times on Nürb Nord.


current times in the 120 diesel:
road: 8´52
sport: 8´36
arcade: 8´28

i will do some laps on the WE and will record it on VHS.
hopefully i can digitize it next weekend and load it up.

you are free to decide the car/tire combo you´d like to see since the replay will consist of the lap itself from 1st person view and the replay itself from the upper 3rd person view.

any questions still open?

 

[GTmaniac]

Hi there Fizio!

On Croatian:Bok stari!

I see some Croatian attacks on Flinx,but I'm sure you belive me and I can
also verify that Flinx is very fast driver because I saw a couple of his replay's and he's times are always fast on other races.....and he provide's Xport replay's often so you shouldn't attack him like that! 👍
P.S See you on gameplay forum mate! 👍

S pozdravom,Zoky!

 

[j_]

SaintKamus, i never use anything but road tires when i'm driving.. i think it takes away the realism and it's just no fun for me. If other people like arcade tires, go right ahead, but i'm not going to use them.

And, no I will not have a problem posting another video of a sub 9 minute lap, to make it a little more interesting i will even do it in the BMW 120i with the road tires on.
Sadly i can only capture the replays since i need to do the driving with the TV screen and then swap the cables for the replay but anyone who doubts they are road tires after hearing the tire sound can just go ahead and believe they are arcade tires, because i couldn't care less. 👎
When i get some time to do the lap and capture i will post it in this thread.

 

[Fizio]

Here is some interesting question:
How come that of all the people only you and j_ can drive 8:52... with road tires which is 15+ sec!!!!! faster than anyone else...?????????
I call everybody who is reading this to try sub 9min with Road Tires.
And than try with Sport tires and you will see that time you'll get is around 8:50 give or take 2 sec... We managed 8:52.240 with sports so far...

I'm still standing to the point that your times are made with sports tires!!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S IMPOSIBLE TO RUN SUB 9MIN WITH ROAD TIRES!!!
YOU ARE SELLING US SPORT TIRES TIMES UNDER ROAD... YOR TIMES ARE FAKE!!! END OF DISCUSSION!!!

I'm asking zonekill whose respectfull lap time was 9:09..... closest to time we did to coment this...
What do you think about 15+ sec faster than that??? Possible???

For your info i'm driving no time limit demo only with road tires for two months since Amar212 got it so

please do not talk about things you obviously don´t have a clue about, especially about the game limits regarding the lap times on Nürb Nord

doesn't realy stand, don't you think???

you are free to decide the car/tire combo you´d like to see since the replay will consist of the lap itself from 1st person view and the replay itself from the upper 3rd person view.

Single shot video from video camera (not captured screen because it can be easyly edited) starting with selection screen to see tire selection, 120d, you can choose color , and full sub 9 lap from 1st person wiew. You don't have to record the replay... That would do it...

since you lived under a rock the last years, otherwise you´d heard of me

Maybe you lived under rocks too since you never heard of me...... just in another circle of people... Maybe I don't post too much and I donn't show off on the internet it doesn't mean I don't know how to drive and I also can find some respectfull group of people to stand behind my point.

thanks Arwin, that i always post clean times

I never said that your lap wasn't clean. You have to drive pretty clean lap with virtualy no mistakes to drive 8:52 but with SPORT Tires. So once again my point is not clean or dirty lap but TYRE SELECTION...

P.S. IT'S IMPOSIBLE TO RUN SUB 9MIN WITH ROAD TIRES!!!

 

[zonekill]

New time 9:06:289

Car: 120d
Tires: Road
DSC: OFF
Transmition: MT
Controller: DS2

Fizio, About the the times of 8:52, thats indeed hard to believe. But i think they use the DFP wheel, and i think that is the better choice for making fast laptimes. GT4 is build for that wheel or the other way around.

With a lot more practice i think i can drive laptimes of 9:01, 9:02 maybe with luck a 9:00.

I dont think its IMPOSSIBLE to drive under 9:00!

Now i must go practice on The Nordschleife 👍

 

[zonekill]

New time 9:03:755

Car: 120d
Tires: Road
DSC: OFF
Transmition: MT
Controller: DS2

I was 2 times with 2 wheels of the track this lap.
@ J_ and Flinx how many times are you of the track with 2 or more wheels on that 8:52 lap?????

I am getting to learn the car better and better. My corner speeds go up. Its really hard to hit the apex with the new psychics engine of GT4. 👍

Fizio, dont forget that The Nordschleife is a very very difficult track to master. You really have to drive smooth to get good lap times.

 

[Flinx]

Single shot video from video camera (not captured screen because it can be easyly edited) starting with selection screen to see tire selection, 120d, you can choose color , and full sub 9 lap from 1st person wiew. You don't have to record the replay... That would do it...

send me the desired camera and i will do that.
do you think you can´t edit a video from the camera?
i knew this would be the first thing you have fear about.
remember, it´s not my fault that PD doesn´t allow to save replays on the demo.
as long as i find someone to host the files, i will do runs on all tires, then you can decide which tires are used in the files.

P.S. IT'S IMPOSIBLE TO RUN SUB 9MIN WITH ROAD TIRES!!!

you will be stand corrected next weekend.
remember, just of the simple fact that you can´t get this times it doesn´t mean other people can make it.

 

[SaintKamus]

New time 9:03:755

Car: 120d
Tires: Road
DSC: OFF
Transmition: MT
Controller: DS2

I was 2 times with 2 wheels of the track this lap.
@ J_ and Flinx how many times are you of the track with 2 or more wheels on that 8:52 lap?????

I am getting to learn the car better and better. My corner speeds go up. Its really hard to hit the apex with the new psychics engine of GT4. 👍

Fizio, dont forget that The Nordschleife is a very very difficult track to master. You really have to drive smooth to get good lap times.

I'm surprised you're not faster with the DS2, the GT4 is a LOT more forgiving with the DS.

i'm currently down to 9'09.930 with the 120d (i don't use the d much, i see room for improvement, defenetly) and i'm down to 9'13.319 with the 120i, i can still see places where i can be faster (there's one particular corner i'm faster than J_, but i'm slower in just about evry other corner...) road tires of course, i'll never play on arcade tires, not even in single player to finsih the game faster or put an end to frustrating endurance races. arcade tires are fine for people who have never played a racing game in their lives, but for evryone else that still uses them... shame on you

 

[zonekill]

I'm surprised you're not faster with the DS2, the GT4 is a LOT more forgiving with the DS.

Personally i think its more difficult with the DS2, pushing to the left and right is not how you drive a car in real live.!

 

[Fizio]

I gues I'll have to go practice on The Nordschleife a bit harder!
Maybe some split times would be nice...

"remember, just of the simple fact that you can´t get this times it doesn´t mean other people can make it" -- don't worry I'm aware of that 👍

 

[Toninho]

send me the desired camera and i will do that.
do you think you can´t edit a video from the camera?
i knew this would be the first thing you have fear about.
remember, it´s not my fault that PD doesn´t allow to save replays on the demo.
as long as i find someone to host the files, i will do runs on all tires, then you can decide which tires are used in the files.

Obviously you are not familiar with all possibilities of video editing.....
WADR, I share doubts with Fizio wich I personaly know and whoom I respect
as aperson and driver.

you will be stand corrected next weekend.
remember, just of the simple fact that you can´t get this times it doesn´t mean other people can make it.

Thats all true, but analog to that, I know some people using cheats in online FPS's
in order to be the best and noticed by comunity. 👎

T

 

[TAG]

ok my best time is a 11:34.50min!

but in real...not in the game

i don't have the demo, but i'll gonna buy that game immediately after the release!

i live 25min away from the nordschleife and i know the track very well.

the 11:34min was done 3 years ago with a VW Golf3 GT-Special, 90PS and unbelievable 225.000km...and a girl on the nearside!

so sry for this little "off topic"...it's my first post

greetz from germany
TAG

 

[Flinx]

...in order to be the best and noticed by comunity. 👎

T

i already feel well noticed among the gt-olr racing community, thank you

 

[zonekill]

I gues I'll have to go practice on The Nordschleife a bit harder!
Maybe some split times would be nice...

The first split (if i remember right): 00:59:900
And another ones
2:17:xxx
3:21:xxx

i will post some more

 

[One Winged Ange]

120d
DSC: Off
Manual
Time: 8.58,934 (Road Tires)

120i
DCS: Off
manual
Time: 8.49,647 (Sport Tires)

 

[puricele7e]

Bmw 120i DSC off, MT, Road tires: 9.13 (pretty messy)

and.....

Bmw 120d same as above, 8.55.859 (noooo...... soo close). The 8.55 lap was....somehow i didn' t enjoy it that much, like missing the apexes just for faster exit speeds

I really enjoy driving the 120i in 9:18 but really relaxing drive!!! It's so real

EDIT: Just for RESPECT , i never drive anything but road tires on Nordschleife Only drive arcade and sports on Amalfi and NY 💡

 

[alexsteffen]

Well, when i first read about the 8:58 and then 8:56 times with road tires i also didn´t believe it.

At this time i was driving with the 120d and road tires (DSC on) 9:11 !!!

And i already thought that i knew the track !

After yesterdays practice (over 6 Hours !) i first managed a 9:07 and then a 9:05:335 but i had to switch off the DSC and had to learn much more about a sliding, understeering and oversteering car

And when i drove the 9:05 minutes i had a very horrible drift at the exit of "fuchsröhre" and i had to work on correcting and "catching" the car almost till i reached "Adenauer Forst".
When i looked at the following split time i had lost over 2 Seconds (!!!).

Before this i had already driven about 120 complete laps and millions of cancelled laps so i already knew the track quite well.

So concidering that i was able to improve my time within 6 hours from 9:11 to a 9:05 (which could have been a 9:03) i am absolutely convinced that a time under 9 Minutes with road tires is possible.

Oh, by the way:

My best time in real life is a 11:11, but i had to start in the middle of the "Döttinger Höhe" where you drive with about 200Km/H in the BMW Demo.

But that´s no excuse

 

[Buggy Boy]

but i had to switch off the DSC

Everybody posting here about DSC on and off ... I thought it was just a way to switch off the dual shock effect on the Dual Shock Controller.

But it seems to be something else. Can anyone tell me what it really is?

One question guys...Does the 120d sound like a Diesel?

Imo that was one of the worst surprises in the Demo. It seems like the engine never goes above 2000 rpm!

 

[zonekill]

Everybody posting here about DSC on and off ... I thought it was just a way to switch off the dual shock effect on the Dual Shock Controller.

But it seems to be something else. Can anyone tell me what it really is?


Imo that was one of the worst surprises in the Demo. It seems like the engine never goes above 2000 rpm!

DSC = Dynamic Stability Control I dont now exactly what it does, but i think its, when you go to fast into a corner, it prevents you from spinning out.
Maybe others here now in detail how it works!?

Yeah that 120d sounds really boooooringggg.......

 

[alexsteffen]

DSC = Dynamic Stability Control I dont now exactly what it does, but i think its, when you go to fast into a corner, it prevents you from spinning out.
Maybe others here now in detail how it works!?

Yeah that 120d sounds really boooooringggg.......

DSC works exactly like the ESP invented by Mercedes in the "old" A-Class.

The system is able to brake single wheels in Case of an emergency like for example heavy oversteering.

If the "rear end comes around" in a corner to the left, the DSC/ESP (PSM at Porsche) brakes the right front-wheel !
It´s like having 4 brake-pedals and being able to react with 4 feet within a minimum of time.

The systems are pretty good for the safety, but driving for times on a racetrack it slows down the car to much.

Try it out at the 2 very fast corners at the "flugplatz" right after "Quiddelbacher Höhe" and you will surely find out the difference between DSC/no DSC.

 

[puricele7e]

Just a small notice, i'm no native English speaker, but i think there are 4 feet 👍 The explanation is very good 👍

 

[zonekill]

DSC works exactly like the ESP invented by Mercedes in the "old" A-Class.

The system is able to brake single wheels in Case of an emergency like for example heavy oversteering.

If the "rear end comes around" in a corner to the left, the DSC/ESP (PSM at Porsche) brakes the right front-wheel !
It´s like having 4 brake-pedals and being able to react with 4 foots within a minimum of time.

The systems are pretty good for the safety, but driving for times on a racetrack it slows down the car to much.

Try it out at the 2 very fast corners at the "flugplatz" right after "Quiddelbacher Höhe" and you will surely find out the difference between DSC/no DSC.

But isnt the suspension correction also involved in this, to keep the car as flat as possible through a corner?
Or is there another system for that?