Legendary cars and supercars unuseable

[NOSBLAST]

What is up with the Ford Falcon 2000 XR8 from oz being a legendary car!!!
What's that car done that's so good!!?
Are holden V8's not good enough!!?
Any way, I have waited patiently for Ferraris, Lamborghinis etc and they haven't come. Closest thing to Porsche is RUF which I reckon is probably a part of Porsche!

 

[NOSBLAST]

I just remembered Cizeta's like Lamborghini

 

[the Interceptor]

And your point is?

 

[NOSBLAST]

Wouldn't you like some of that if you were from that country!!
Can you name anyone that knows why the Ford's famous?

 

[Dave A]

Yes some of the cars that go into the historic and classics car's arn't actually classics or historically significant, I think that if a car is there for purchase and it's no longer in production/competition, they'll put it there because theres no where else to put it, and a no-longer built/used but nothing special room didn't get the thumbs up.

Ruf isn't part of Porche they're a proper independant car manufacturer, the cars in GT4 arn't Porches, they arn't tuned or modified Porsche's, they just look like Porsches, they're Ruf's.

The Cizeta was originally the design for the Dablo, but Lamborghini rejected it in favour of what we got, and the designer decided he was going to build his car anyway.

 

[Moxy]

The thing that makes the Falcon legendary is that it won basically everything it was entered in and it was from Oz, an unusual place for perfect touring cars to be developed. Lambos and Ferraris aren't in due to copyrights. RUF is a independant part of Porsche, just like Opel is an independant part of Vauxhaul. Cizeta is more like a Ferrari than a Lambo, although the design for the Cizeta was going to be the design for the Diablo i think, but was rejected, but it generally is nothing like either brand.

By the way, for a TOURING CAR, the Falcon is an amazing piece of engineering and motoring history. It can still beat most touring cars, including the Audi ABT and Redbull racing touring cars from the Deutsche Touring Meisterschaft (DTM). If it raced in the British Touring Car Championship it would obviously wipe the floor ( with opposition such as Honda Integra Type R's ) and the same if it was entered in the British Supertour ( with opposition such as Marcos Mantis, TVR Cerbera, Aston Martin DBR9 )

Moxy

 

[daan]

RUF is a part of Porsche, just like Opel is a part of Vauxhaul.

How wrong is that statement? RUF is an independent manufacturer, completely seperate from Porsche.

And NOSBLAST, use the edit button. Double posting is a no no.

 

[Dave A]

RUF is a independant part of Porsche, just like Opel is an independant part of Vauxhaul.

Ruf and Porsche is nothing like Vauxhall and Opel, Ruf isn't owned by, part of, under the same umberells or related in any way to Porsche. Ruf build's car's that look like Porsches, they are their own car's. Vauxhall and Opel both sell the same models, Opel doesn't build Vauxhall look-a-likes and vice versa, they are the same cars with different badges slapped on them and both companies are owned by GM. Ruf is independant or Porsche.

 

[Condraz23]

Technically speaking, RUF's are Porsches that have been modified to such a great extent that almost 80% of their machinery cannot be found on stock Porsches. Due to this, RUF is classified as an independent vehicle manufacturer and is not usually associated with the Porsche name.

In other words, people bring their old Porsche's to RUF and for a few extra dollars, they get their car transformed so much that they aren't Porsches anymore. That's how Polophony Digital was able to get around this and add them to the game without offending Porsche and Electronic Arts.

 

[Famine]

Technically speaking, RUF's are Porsches that have been modified to such a great extent that almost 80% of their machinery cannot be found on stock Porsches. Due to this, RUF is classified as an independent vehicle manufacturer and is not usually associated with the Porsche name.

In other words, people bring their old Porsche's to RUF and for a few extra dollars, they get their car transformed so much that they aren't Porsches anymore. That's how Polophony Digital was able to get around this and add them to the game without offending Porsche and Electronic Arts.

That's true to an extent - but Ruf (named for founder Alois Ruf) also sell new vehicles.

 

[Dave A]

Yep, what Famine said, a Porsche owner can take his 911 to Ruf and have them modify it, but the Ruf produced cars are not in any definition of the word, modified Porsche's. The models in Gran Turismo are Ruf produced cars's, not customer 911's Ruf have tinkered with.

 

[NOSBLAST]

Look some of you people didn't read the first message properly...
I NEVER SAID THAT PORSCHE AND RUF WERE PART OF VAUXHALL AND OPEL!!!!!!
Omg. I'm sorry I didn't completely know for certain, I just wanted answers so please stop accusing me. Plz.

 

[Dave A]

We know you didn't, Moxy did, were replying to him . My only post directed at you is my fist one in this thread 👍.

 

[Schrodes]

The thing that makes the Falcon legendary is that it won basically everything it was entered in and it was from Oz, an unusual place for perfect touring cars to be developed.

The Falcon in GT3 and GT4 was not a successful car however. It had been a very lean time for Ford in V8 Supercars until 2003. There were other Falcons Ford could have used in the game that had been more successful. Maybe they used that car because that was the factory "supported" team.

 

[Dimitrov]

Look some of you people didn't read the first message properly...
I NEVER SAID THAT PORSCHE AND RUF WERE PART OF VAUXHALL AND OPEL!!!!!!
Omg. I'm sorry I didn't completely know for certain, I just wanted answers so please stop accusing me. Plz.

Calm down, NOSBLAST. Else you'll become a GeorgeMorley v2.0

*Nothing personal, George. You know we all love you.

 

[guska]

some of you may remember the car makers information from GT3, it clearly stated in there that RUF purchase porches from porsche, and modify them to the extent that they are officially considered in independant car manufacturer. Schrodes is right, the AU Falcon was NOT a successful race car, however the one in the game was the latest model to be backed by Ford Australia. The reason that there is no Holden Racing Team Commodore in the game is that HRT has contracts with EA and Codemasters, and not with SCEI or Polyphony Digital.

I agree with the original post though, I would love to see a Lamborghini Diablo GT or even the 'humble' SV in the game. Damn you EA!

 

[niky]

Calm down, NOSBLAST. Else you'll become a GeorgeMorley v2.0

*Nothing personal, George. You know we all love you.

@NOSBLAST: No one was accusing you of saying Ruf and Porsche are part of Opel/Vauxhall. They were just pointing out that Ruf isn't part of Porsche. Don't take it personally, everyone makes mistakes... and with the number of car-nerds on the boards (and yes, that includes me), everyone is going to tell you if you do.

 

[OZZYGT]

Look some of you people didn't read the first message properly...
I NEVER SAID THAT PORSCHE AND RUF WERE PART OF VAUXHALL AND OPEL!!!!!!
Omg. I'm sorry I didn't completely know for certain, I just wanted answers so please stop accusing me. Plz.

hehehe, the ol' mercy call

 

[Dave A]

some of you may remember the car makers information from GT3, it clearly stated in there that RUF purchase porches from porsche, and modify them to the extent that they are officially considered in independant car manufacturer.

This only applys to the car's customers take to them and ask them to modify, that information in GT2, whic I do remeber is not correct in relation to the models that appeared in GT2, or GT3, or GT4. None of thoes had Ruf taking a base 911 or Boxster and modifying it, they were all built ground up using Porsche sub frames just like the SEAT Ibiza uses a Polo sub frame, if Ruf's body's didn't resemble Porsche body's this argument would never arise, however Ruf wouldn't have the reputation they gained from giving people that link.

If you see some custom looking car from a very small company most people go, "oh nice" then go off and buy a mainstream one instead. By Ruf keeping the look of the cars like they did people see them and they relate it to a Porsche so they think they're buying a better Porsche and more people are willing to spend their cash on it.

 

[Swift]

Uh, ok. Here's the thing. Porsche's, Ferrari's and Lambos aren't in GT because either 1) they've been licensed to another company(EA) or 2) Sony didn't want to pay the insane amount of money these companies are asking for tor the license.

Either way, it has nothting to do with PD NOT wanting to put them into the GT games. It's about money. So just relax and talk about why the current legendary cars are weak. No point in yelling about Porsche's when they simply aren't there.

 

[Wolfe]

Look some of you people didn't read the first message properly...
I NEVER SAID THAT PORSCHE AND RUF WERE PART OF VAUXHALL AND OPEL!!!!!!
Omg. I'm sorry I didn't completely know for certain, I just wanted answers so please stop accusing me. Plz.

Not every response in one of your threads is going to revolve around you. There are other people that use this forum, too.

That said, I don't really see what the point of this thread is...

 

[FAOLIU05]

Makes you wonder how Dauer, Hamann, and Koenig didn't make it into the game. That would've been awesome.

 

[_Carlos]

Is it really such a bad thing that Ferrari, Porsche and Lamborghinis aren't in the game? Personally i think Japanese cars are better and would rather cane around a track in jgtc car than any of those three manufacturers cars.

 

[FAOLIU05]

I see you point, but being able to just experience Lamborghini's and Ferrari's would've been awesome.

 

[Swift]

I see you point, but being able to just experience Lamborghini's and Ferrari's would've been awesome.

There are other games that have them in there.

I'm just trying to figure out what the big deal is here. I'm as a big a Porsche fan as you're going to find, but I'm also NOT whining about the fact that I can't drive a Carerra 4 Cabriolet around the nurb. No game is perfect and if GT's major flaw is not having a few exotic cars in it then that's fine buy me. I actually have more fun driving cars that I might actually see/drive/own.

 

[_Carlos]

There are other games that have them in there.

I'm just trying to figure out what the big deal is here. I'm as a big a Porsche fan as you're going to find, but I'm also NOT whining about the fact that I can't drive a Carerra 4 Cabriolet around the nurb. No game is perfect and if GT's major flaw is not having a few exotic cars in it then that's fine buy me. I actually have more fun driving cars that I might actually see/drive/own.

Amen to that.

 

[Tornado]

Makes you wonder how Dauer, Hamann, and Koenig didn't make it into the game. That would've been awesome.

The cars are named the same (ie. Dauer 962 Sport is still called a 962, which is a Porsche trademark). RUF's don't keep the cars original name because the names RUF gives them are the original names.

 

[Canadian Speed]

It's like the Shelby Mustangs... Shelby mods them enough to call em Shelby Mustang Cobras, but don't fool yourself into thinking it's a Shelby orignial. Same goes for the RUFs... They ARE moded Porsches. They aren't better or worse, but at their very heart, the cars in this game are all based on Porsches.

http://www.rufautocentre.com/

That link should answer any of your questions about these great cars... And this one should let you compare the models from the above site with the originals.

http://www.porsche.com/

And lastly... From the great Wiki

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RUF is a German automobile manufacturer. Although their vehicles are in actuality modified Porsche models, RUF is recognized as an independent manufacturer by the German government, and their vehicles are stamped with individual RUF number-plating and VIN numbers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RUF_(automobile)

Any how... this raises a few questions about modefied dealerships... I wonder why we don't have any super sweet modded Lambos and Ferraris? Unless they aren't dumb enough to let another company put a couple of exaust pipes, rims and a few carbon nic nacs on their cars and take the credit for them...

 

[FAOLIU05]

There are other games that have them in there.

But they just aren't GT4! They aren't even comparable.

No game is perfect and if GT's major flaw is not having a few exotic cars in it then that's fine buy me.

Eh, I don't mind it as being a flaw either. I'm just saying... how many of us would really be driving a Porsche rather than a Ruf? Or a Gallardo rather than a ZZII? Or an Enzo rather than your run of the mill S7? Who wouldn't have loved to tare Nurburgring apart with a F360 Stradale, or own a Mercielago with a beefed up Civic?

And even though the popularity of the game and the sales were/are good, how much better would they have been with Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche? How many Xbox fans would've bought GT4 rather than PGR:2?

GT4 would've just covered so much more and ultimately be known as the ultimate simulation without question (as some people hold PGR:2(3) to be so due to Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche rights).

Just imagine the replays! The Photo Mode possibilities!

 

[Condraz23]

Even though I reckon Japanese cars are mechanically, the best cars in the world. The sheer enjoyment of buying, owning, and driving an expensive Ferrari Mondial or Porsche 944 would definitely be a major plus for Gran Turismo.