Let's talk about redundant/useless car tech

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Owning and driving a car should be made as difficult and dangerous as possible. This way, anyone who isn't 110% committed to operating a car is either a) barred from getting in the driver's seat or b) instantly purged from the gene pool for their transgressions.

People should be be trained from birth to operate automobiles. In fact, the minimum driving age should be 30 and the maximum driving age should be 35. 30 years is a good starting age because everyone should be required to earn doctorate degrees in Automobile Operation and become SAE certified Master Technicians before they're even allowed to apply for a license. After 35, people should be banned from driving, because old people are shown to prefer big comfortable cars with lots of features. This means they're clearly not serious enough drivers to allow on the road.

Cars should be shipped completely disassembled to their owners. DOT inspectors are to arrive at your house (where you are required to keep a full set of tools --metric and standard of course-- and a lift) and observe owners assemble their new automobile by hand. To further ensure mechanical competency, assembly is timed. If the owner cannot assemble the car within the allowed time, the car will be crushed and the owner will need to go back to school. After all, if you're not serious about understanding how cars operate, you shouldn't be driving one.

We should combat weight and complexity gains by completely removing all safety and comfort features from automobiles. After all, if you are properly trained, you will never make a mistake. In fact, sensors should be installed on various points of cars so that if it detects an impact of any sort (which is obviously a mistake on your part), a carbon fiber projectile will be ejected from the steering wheel (in the place where the airbag was formally located) and impale the driver, causing instant death. Because if you make a mistake, you should obviously pay the price. Allowing people to get away with errors will simply encourage them!

Body panels should be made of soda can grade aluminum sheets and unit body structures of plastic reinforced paper and bamboo. Because performance is more important than anything else. All creature comforts and conveniences of any kind should be banned. This includes seats. Because comfort = laziness. And laziness kills. Beginning with you. In fact, let's get rid of other labor saving devices, like the steering wheel. Drivers will be required to drive the car by sitting on a (super light weight) carpet pad and holding onto each tie rod. Ultimate road feel!

Each car should weigh no more than the arbitrary and completely meaningless figure of 1,309 lbs. and 3 ounces. Legislation should be passed so that manufacturers are required to reduce weight by 10% every year until cars weigh exactly nothing at all. Car manufacturers can do this by making cars out of compressed smoke.

All these changes will make driving better for everyone, getting all the inept, uncommitted and unskilled drivers off the road. We should make them now.


M
 
...hey, my car just came in!

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M spec: what the BLEEP?! i hope your being a smart butt because all that will do is force everyone to live in cities.
 
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I find it hugely ironic that people who love the automobile --arguably one of history's most dramatic technological advancements-- can be also be so deeply distrustful of technology. But I suppose that is the duality of our age.


...hey, my car just came in!

Awesome! 👍 I love the particulate matter density of that model!


M - Smart Butt
 
Owning and driving a car should be made as difficult and dangerous as possible.

M

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You have to admit, the driver-aid features should be optional and should be 100% defeatable. They should default to the ON position and have to be switched off on purpose, but you should be able to fly solo when you want to.
 
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You have to admit, the driver-aid features should be optional and should be 100% defeatable. They should default to the ON position and have to be switched off on purpose, but you should be able to fly solo when you want to.

Totally, 100% agreed.

But complaining that car makers are putting too much technology in cars is like complaining Jack Daniels is putting too much alcohol in whiskey.


M - Smart Butt
 
But complaining that car makers are putting too much technology in cars is like complaining Jack Daniels is putting too much alcohol in whiskey.
I agree, but there is a such thing as bad technology, or even pointless technology that just increases cost and weight. I believe that was the point Jalopnik was originally attempting too make. A lot of their points were in regard to things like adding weight, which is rarely good for cars, or make up for bad design (like poor visibility) that shouldn't have ever happened to begin with.

They were definitely not saying that no technology should be added. In fact, they followed up with a list of The 25 Most Useful Car Technologies.
 
I agree, but there is a such thing as bad technology, or even pointless technology that just increases cost and weight. I believe that was the point Jalopnik was originally attempting too make. A lot of their points were in regard to things like adding weight, which is rarely good for cars, or make up for bad design (like poor visibility) that shouldn't have ever happened to begin with.

They were definitely not saying that no technology should be added. In fact, they followed up with a list of The 25 Most Useful Car Technologies.


Before I respond, let me put my own position into context. I like simple, lightweight, direct and honest cars. I may drive something of a fat and heavy oldmanmobile now, but I used to own a Miata (well okay, it was my wife's, but I drove it and loved it all the same) and my previous car was one of the lightest and least complicated BMWs they made at the time. When time came to replace it, there were a lot of cars I could have chosen, but I *insisted* on a car with a manual gearbox (even though I like dual clutch boxes) and fully deflatable stability control.

That being all said; Technology is a tool. Like all tools, they are good or bad depending on how they are used. A car has no morality on its own. It is only through operation by a person that gives it meaning.

With the single exception of the motorized seat belts, I think Jalopnik's list has no merit. Without getting into every item, I think almost every one of those features improve cars in some meaningful and tangible way.

Their main argument that you shouldn't need driver aids to make you a better driver is complete hogwash. I've been driving for 18 years and I take it just as seriously as everyone here... and I still make mistakes from time to time. The notion that everyone will be a perfect driver if they simply pay attention and therefore therefore no driver aids are ever needed, is IMO very naive.

Their secondary argument against comfort and convenience features is just plain stupid. Yes, the seat can be adjusted manually. So why would you have a dozen motors do it for you? Well, maybe for the same reason I can get to work under my power by walking, but would prefer not to?? :rolleyes: I used to have cars with manual seats. That was great until I let my girlfriend drive my car. Then I could never seem to get my seat back into the right position without spending 10 minutes fiddling with it. So is it worth the 50-75 pound weight penalty to me so my significant other can drive my car and not mess up my seat position? Totally.

Drawing some arbitrary line between "legitimate" and "useless" is a matter of personal preference. Why I need some random person to tell me what my preferences should be is beyond me. They are almost all options anyway, so people can vote with their dollars.

Let me make it perfectly clear that I am all for people becoming better drivers. But I don't think there is a causal relationship between average driver ability and the number (or nature) or driver aids in an automobile.


M
 
Some highlights from the good technologies:

Radar/Laser Detectors: Illegal in many states, including Illinois. You can get pulled over for merely having one in your car.

Heated Seats: Meh, I can do without...on most days. Then again, tweed does not get as "cold" as (or rather, warms up faster than) Leather....

Sattelite weather/Traffic:

Really? Can it show you those cool Radar images, too? and if there's a Severe Thunderstorm/Tornado Warning? AND will it direct you to the nearest storm shelter if there is one? (Underpasses do NOT count.)

Hood scoops:

Wow, guys. as hard as you attempt to justify that, it still comes off as...juvenile...
 
Some highlights from the good technologies:

Radar/Laser Detectors: Illegal in many states, including Illinois. You can get pulled over for merely having one in your car.

Under wikipedia, it says it's illegal only for commercial vehicles.
 
///M-Spec - some fantastic posts up there. And the one at the top of the page made me laugh :lol: I agree with what you've said though (in the serious posts, obviously). Personally I like a lack of technology - apart from anything, it's what I'm used to now - and in an ideal world I'd have an S1 Elise in my parking space outside, but I can completely see the point of many of today's labour-saving and passive safety devices, and I don't begrudge anyone who choses to use them. Including automatic gearboxes, which many people seem to look down on.
 
Let me make it perfectly clear that I am all for people becoming better drivers. But I don't think there is a causal relationship between average driver ability and the number (or nature) or driver aids in an automobile.
I agree. I want to make it clear that I do not agree with a lot of the article. In fact, my car has some of the things on their list, and I like it that way. They do serve a purpose. I have hit a patch of ice on the interstate, had the car make a very disconcerting wiggle, and the TC light pop on and the car straighten out without my needing to do anything. As I was in a construction zone at rush hour that could have become ugly before I had time to actually react. And I would love electronic seat adjustments over the unwieldy hand crank that seems purposely designed to make me not want to recline my seat. And while not on the list, I first thought my heated rear view mirrors were pointless, but I love them.

There is a reason why I said the article was originally trying to make a point. It seems like it started as a list of things that go against basic rules of design and efficiency, but quickly turned into a semi-comedic rant. And that's the big thing, I am not sure they intended this to be serious, but more funny.

We do differ on one thing. I drive a manual, and that prevents my wife from ever driving my car. I like it that way. :D
 
It's juvenile to use a system that helps cool the engine or allow for better aerodynamics? Wow. :dunce:
Most of the time they are strictly used for show rather than for anything functional, and even when they are used for function they are still mostly used because they look cool rather than any inherent advantage they offer.
 
Most of the time they are strictly used for show rather than for anything functional, and even when they are used for function they are still mostly used because they look cool rather than any inherent advantage they offer.

Case in point: The hood scoop on the Saab 9-2X is said to be better for cooling than the larger, more agressive scoop on the Impreza of the same vintage. In this example it appears that much of the Subaru's scoop is just for show, and it could easily make do with a smaller, more efficiently-designed one.
 
A extractor setup on the hood works better for cooling and yields better aerodynamics than a hood scoop.

That would be like the hoods on the Carlos Sainz All-Trac Celica right? IMO it looks better too.

Edit: Actually I think it's the Celica GT-Four RC
 
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