Level 20ish and hitting a wall? (a BIG wall)

[danjama]

I think the main problem is that the series are too short. In most real racing series there are at least 10 races but in most of these series there are just 3-5. There should be 10-20 races in each series and you should be able to save in the middle of contesting a championship. I'm kind of tired of the way racing games never seem to pay any attention to the way the sport is run in real life.

There just isn't enough variation either.

1000+ cars, no events to use 950 of them.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

This thread reminded me: An interesting fact about XP with GT5: You can crack Level 20 before you win the PSN trophy for your first race win! Golding all licenses, and the Special Events that unlock during that, can get you up to about a third of the way through Level 20. I did this on a secondary account, and only accepted the PDI Kart as a prize to clear the obvious challenge. The small caveat is that you very possibly could get to Level 21: I didn't do the Rally Challenge as that required a a purchased or prize car, and I didn't want to have to spend any money yet (my "first car" being a Vitz gifted from my main account, just so I could go straight to licenses).

Of course, if all the Rally Events could bump me up to Level 21, then I could take down the Jeff Gordon challenge and possibly get that much closer to Level 22. All that without setting foot in A-Spec!

...the sad part being you can then do every single Beginner race and barely see your XP bar bump up . Still, I imagine it will lead to very little repeat racing... and you will have an incredibly flush bank account.

 

[StevenDunn99]

There is no need to grind ASpec until level 28.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=137162&page=6#post4339349

 

[Devedander]

That's not a grind. That's called perfecting driving skill. If I hit a wall in A-Spec, it'll be off to B-Spec until I get stuck there. I have yet to have any stuck feeling.

Just my opinion.

How does B specing help being stuck in A spec?

What is the difference between having more race series and re running the ones you like and trying different cars?

Because Ferrari challenge on Rome 20 times is not nearly the same as Ferrari Challenge on Rome, Ring, Tokyo, Tsukuba and Cape Ring 4 times each? That's not even factoring in the benefit of being able to make a tournament cup challenge that means you can't just restart a mistake on a race...

 

[SS_1182]

I grind to avoid buying cars for certain events so I don't waste the money I've saved and can get the expensive cars I want faster.

 

[DrTrouserPlank]

I'm level 23, still not grinding and have quite a few of the later special events to do. I've golded all the licenses mind.

I have done most of the A-spec events available for my level, save the odd one or two where I don't have an appropriate car.

I wonder if the people who are needing to grind so early are in this situation because they used an overpowered car to win almost all their A-spec events, thus requiring them to not play them a few times in order to win?

 

[StevenDunn99]

I wonder if the people who are needing to grind so early are in this situation because they used an overpowered car to win almost all their A-spec events, thus requiring them to not play them a few times in order to win?

No. It is because PD have given big XP bonuses for golding Special Events, less so for golding licenses though not bad in places, and people are just not bothering to gold.

Granted some may well be struggling to gold, but at least grinding gives them an option. Whereas I get the feeling some people are implying that grinding is mandatory when at the level the OP is talking about, it is not.

 

[SS_1182]

XP grinding, not mandatory. Credit grinding, necessary in some situations.

 

[///M3]

To be honest, I am ignoring my level and just enjoying driving the cars. For me there really is no rush, as with all the previous GT's I will turn it on one day realise I have hundreds of cars I haven't even driven and millions in the bank with gold everything.

For me GT is never a game you complete sure there is something that says 100% on the screen but driving and racing for me is just trying all the cars and getting that perfect corner, perfect lap, perfect overtake.

So in a round about way "there is no wall"

 

[snowgt]

I'm sorry, but in A-Spec, "grinding", i.e. over and over repeating the same event, will only earn you money, not more XP, if I'm not mistaken. You only get more XP for placing better than before, if you race again. But once you've golded all races up to the one you're racing, you should be able to move on to the next race in any case.

Only in B-Spec you get XPs every time you race. And there it makes sense, because you don't have Special Events and Licenses to bump up your driver's experience, plus, you need to manage multiple drivers' careers, and you couldn't well do that, if you don't get any XPs for driver 2 when you already golded with driver 1.

 

[StevenDunn99]

I'm sorry, but in A-Spec, "grinding", i.e. over and over repeating the same event, will only earn you money, not more XP, if I'm not mistaken.

You are. You get the same credits and XP for every race you complete/re-run - which is the grinding everyone refers to. It is only the licences and Special Events that are one-offs for both credit and XP. Once golded no need to return to those other than for improving your times.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

I'm sorry, but in A-Spec, "grinding", i.e. over and over repeating the same event, will only earn you money, not more XP, if I'm not mistaken.

You are mistaken.

 

[kweiss]

A simple setup like the race maker in GTPSP that let you chose opponents in the same car or similar specs & gave cash and EXP for races would be perfect and totally take away from the minutia of replaying A-Spec events.

This.

It seems wrong that, as said earlier, there are over 950 cars that really have zero races to compete in. If you want to actually pass other cars in 90% of the cars in the game, you're stuck with mismatch races.

GT needs a mode where you select the track, number of laps, and opponent cars. Infinite replay value right there.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

I'm at level twenty six and a half and I just hit the wall. I've golded all the a-spec events and most of the special events. Done the first two endurance events and now I'm looking at a couple of hundred laps of Indy

Think I'm about to give up on a-spec now, since all I have left to unlock is a bunch of endurance events which I dont have the stomach for and a stupid-fast fantasy racecar.

All I've ever wanted from day 1 is a '69 GT40 which Bob will get me when he wins the indy500.

Apparently he doesn't mind grinding as much as I do

 

[StevenDunn99]

It seems wrong that, as said earlier, there are over 950 cars that really have zero races to compete in. If you want to actually pass other cars in 90% of the cars in the game, you're stuck with mismatch races.

As has been discussed on before, two things could have helped:
- more restrictions on race entries to force a wider use of cars
- manufacturer specific races; GT4 had them, even GT5P had them. A HUGE miss from GT5.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

This.

It seems wrong that, as said earlier, there are over 950 cars that really have zero races to compete in. If you want to actually pass other cars in 90% of the cars in the game, you're stuck with mismatch races.

What? That is not even close to being true. Yes there are a few cars in game that you will not be able to win any career races in but this number is a low percentage. All I can say if it there are 950 cars that you can not win the Sunday cup race with then you must really need to practice more as I could probably win it with at least 950 of them maybe more.

There is at least one event that almost every car in the game can compete in [excluding those with less than 50 hp] and if setup right can be a somewhat close race.

 

[iLex]

Is it so hard to acknowledge that different players experience this game differently and that for a big group of GT5 players the levelling system is standing in the way of them having fun?

GT4 had a natural progression system in which players had a lot of choice. GT4 developed different types of players: Those who wanted to gold everything and get to 100%, those who just wanted to tune cars, those who were just casually going through the game enjoying the races and many hybrid forms.
In GT5, only the first group gets to fully enjoy the game without any drawbacks. If you like golding everything, this is the game for you. If you don't, you better like grinding and have a high frustration threshold.

And for those of you who have it: please get rid of the 'first gold everything and then come back and complain'-attitude. Nothing entitles you to speak down to people who have every right to complain about their beloved game going rogue on them.

2 cents.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

Is it so hard to acknowledge that different players experience this game differently and that for a big group of GT5 players the levelling system is standing in the way of them having fun?

GT4 had a natural progression system in which players had a lot of choice. GT4 developed different types of players: Those who wanted to gold everything and get to 100%, those who just wanted to tune cars, those who were just casually going through the game enjoying the races and many hybrid forms.
In GT5, only the first group gets to fully enjoy the game without any drawbacks. If you like golding everything, this is the game for you. If you don't, you better like grinding and have a high frustration threshold.

And for those of you who have it: please get rid of the 'first gold everything and then come back and complain'-attitude. Nothing entitles you to speak down to people who have every right to complain about their beloved game going rogue on them.

2 cents.

+1 👍

 

[xCOOLDOGGYx]

People if you do the hardest races available to you at the moment the grind wont last that long ofcorse its not a matter of a few hours even then so do your best GT people. And i know ive had to experiance it the hard way but if you put some great music of your own the time will pass without you noticing it thats the trick ofcorse after lv 30 you do have to spend huge amounts of time to get anywhere but again with the right tunes its all doable.

 

[StevenDunn99]

And for those of you who have it: please get rid of the 'first gold everything and then come back and complain'-attitude. Nothing entitles you to speak down to people who have every right to complain about their beloved game going rogue on them.

Nobody is. People are pointing out how far you can get without grinding if you do gold them, it is just the message coming across from some people is that they act as if there is no other way to get XP, when there is.

We all know the game is flawed, but if you are going to compare with earlier versions, unlike GT3 and GT4 at least the races are not tied to licenses, so grinding at least does give everyone an option to progress. Accept that complaining about grinding too early will not get as much sympathy as later in the game, when you literally have no choice.

 

[xCOOLDOGGYx]

Is it so hard to acknowledge that different players experience this game differently and that for a big group of GT5 players the levelling system is standing in the way of them having fun?

GT4 had a natural progression system in which players had a lot of choice. GT4 developed different types of players: Those who wanted to gold everything and get to 100%, those who just wanted to tune cars, those who were just casually going through the game enjoying the races and many hybrid forms.
In GT5, only the first group gets to fully enjoy the game without any drawbacks. If you like golding everything, this is the game for you. If you don't, you better like grinding and have a high frustration threshold.

And for those of you who have it: please get rid of the 'first gold everything and then come back and complain'-attitude. Nothing entitles you to speak down to people who have every right to complain about their beloved game going rogue on them.

2 cents.

But GT5 goest further tha GT4 and Kazunori doesnt want just anybody to get the top cars with no effort after all theres an online comunity you dont want to see some lvl 10 punk having the same car you got at lvl 30 because you spent time. this is not Need For Speed and thos that say fisrt gold everything have all the right to brag althought i dont like it but is so man. In this life you either work you way up or dont and stay where you are and complain about everything the others have and you don't. Games these days hold your hand at every corner. People YOU HAVE TO EARN THINGS TO APPRECIATE THEM. you cry about not being able to pregress the you know what to dojust play more if they made more races and cars they game would be delayed even more. JUST DO IT man and probably youll have what you seek some day. And dont let anyone look down on you go beat them or dont complain if they do its yes or no nothing in between. IF you want to chill out therse a lot of great cars for those that didnt go hard core. See it meant to please most people. You must be able to distiguis yourself get something for you effort.

 

[Doppiadi]

To be honest, I am ignoring my level and just enjoying driving the cars. For me there really is no rush, as with all the previous GT's I will turn it on one day realise I have hundreds of cars I haven't even driven and millions in the bank with gold everything.

For me GT is never a game you complete sure there is something that says 100% on the screen but driving and racing for me is just trying all the cars and getting that perfect corner, perfect lap, perfect overtake.

So in a round about way "there is no wall"

Nice point of view, I almost share this idea, also I say: I've waited so much for GT5 that I cannot end it in just a month! I've to play it for a long long time since who knows when GT6 will be released For me the GT series is like a glass of good wine: you have to enjoy it slowly, discovering how it tastes sip by sip, analyzing it in the deep..and somehow you don't really want to finish it!!

Anyway to get in topic: I'm level 20 now, and i haven't done any race twice yet, doing the rallyes will bring me lev.21, then I'll have new races and so on...but taking my time enjoyin' the ride 👍

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

But GT5 goest further tha GT4 and Kazunori doesnt want just anybody to get the top cars with no effort after all theres an online comunity you dont want to see some lvl 10 punk having the same car you got at lvl 30 because you spent time. this is not Need For Speed and thos that say fisrt gold everything have all the right to brag althought i dont like it but is so man. In this life you either work you way up or dont and stay where you are and complain about everything the others have and you don't. Games these days hold your hand at every corner. People YOU HAVE TO EARN THINGS TO APPRECIATE THEM. you cry about not being able to pregress the you know what to dojust play more if they made more races and cars they game would be delayed even more. JUST DO IT man and probably youll have what you seek some day. And dont let anyone look down on you go beat them or dont complain if they do its yes or no nothing in between. IF you want to chill out therse a lot of great cars for those that didnt go hard core. See it meant to please most people. You must be able to distiguis yourself get something for you effort.

Dude, it's a GAME! I don't want to learn about "how it is in the real world" in a game - games are where I go to escape from the real world. In the real world a tiny fraction of 1% of the people who bought the game would even get to drive an M3, never mind some of the race cars.

I paid 40 quid to be able to play 1000+ cars on 70-odd tracks. I earned the 40 quid by working several boring hours at a boring job. I did this grinding so I could go home for a bit of escapism and what do I find? My entertainment is more boring and repetitive than my job.

I don't expect to rocketjump in real life. I don't expect to have to work during my playtime

 

[iLex]

Nobody is. People are pointing out how far you can get without grinding if you do gold them, it is just the message coming across from some people is that they act as if there is no other way to get XP, when there is.

Maybe not so much in this thread, but the attitude is there. There are clearly not enough ways to get the XP. If there were, nobody would be complaining about this.

We all know the game is flawed, but if you are going to compare with earlier versions, unlike GT3 and GT4 at least the races are not tied to licenses, so grinding at least does give everyone an option to progress. Accept that complaining about grinding too early will not get as much sympathy as later in the game, when you literally have no choice.

Getting the licenses in GT4 was within everyone's reach and a lot easier than golding them now, although arguably the Nordschleife tests were too hard for some.

But GT5 goest further tha GT4 and Kazunori doesnt want just anybody to get the top cars with no effort after all theres an online comunity you dont want to see some lvl 10 punk having the same car you got at lvl 30 because you spent time.
etc.

Level doesn't equal skill. Only getting to level 30 within a few days requires skill The rest requires time. So you can still have a level 30 'punk' driving a level 30 car and ruin your online experience. Even worse, you could encounter ME, a level 19 punk driving a level 23 car (go B-spec!).
You present time spent on this game as some sort of 'work' you have to do to finally enjoy the game. That isn't the way any game, or sim, should be designed.
I have stated this before: It shouldn't be a competition of who gets to the highest level with the most cars and money etc. It should be a competition of who gets the best times on the leaderboard, with any car (s)he wants to drive in.



And finally, to quote Dara O Briain :"I'm 38, I unlocked it in a shop... with a credit card."

 

[RacingManiac]

Is it so hard to acknowledge that different players experience this game differently and that for a big group of GT5 players the levelling system is standing in the way of them having fun?

GT4 had a natural progression system in which players had a lot of choice. GT4 developed different types of players: Those who wanted to gold everything and get to 100%, those who just wanted to tune cars, those who were just casually going through the game enjoying the races and many hybrid forms.
In GT5, only the first group gets to fully enjoy the game without any drawbacks. If you like golding everything, this is the game for you. If you don't, you better like grinding and have a high frustration threshold.

And for those of you who have it: please get rid of the 'first gold everything and then come back and complain'-attitude. Nothing entitles you to speak down to people who have every right to complain about their beloved game going rogue on them.

2 cents.

Good post, I was one of those GT4 player that didn't bother to gold everything(I think I stopped "progressing" around 69%), and basically amassed enough Cr or have means of making good Cr to just buy car, tune, and bomb around Nordschleife. With GT5 though I sorta conciously changed to trying to do all the events and licenses and tries to gold them, and as a result I fell into that group of I got to pretty high A-spec level without much grinding to speak of, which really, repeated License/Special Events tests is a Grinding of sort.

I want to have more A-spec races though, the selection is really limited.

 

[cygnus_zero]

Why do things seem to go relatively smooth until the early 20's and then everything drops off like a cliff?

I'm running out of events, done all the special events, Licenses (I'm iC) don't yield much exp anymore, and exp has slowed to a crawl...

This tells me that online was probably meant to have some progression but now I'm looking at hours of A-spec to unlock just the next single event...

There appears to be a hole here... and a huge gapping one at that... I want MORE! I'm OK with repetition but not a grind that an MMO game would be proud of...

Has there been any Kaz tweets or other comments on how this will be addressed besides the "big" December update that I refuse to get my hopes up that it will have anything to do with this issue?

I stopped playing the game for this very reason. They NEED to update online so we can earn XP. Its actually amazing to me that it doesnt right now, and until it does I wont play the game anymore. Ive completely lost interest, so they need to update that.

 

[abfielder]

I have very little interest in getting gold in the events and licenses. Bronze and I'm happy.

For me grinding races is inevitable.

More events are needed and XP/Prize money needs to be sorted.

I can get 98k for less than 4 minutes racing round an oval, or I can do a 2 hour endurance event and get 136k I think it's simple to see that there is something wrong there.

 

[StevenDunn99]

More events are needed and XP/Prize money needs to be sorted.

The biggest miss, and surprise omission, could have made life easier and more enjoyable for everyone.

Why no manufacturer races ?

 

[AgentGT]

Good post, I was one of those GT4 player that didn't bother to gold everything(I think I stopped "progressing" around 69%), and basically amassed enough Cr or have means of making good Cr to just buy car, tune, and bomb around Nordschleife. With GT5 though I sorta conciously changed to trying to do all the events and licenses and tries to gold them, and as a result I fell into that group of I got to pretty high A-spec level without much grinding to speak of, which really, repeated License/Special Events tests is a Grinding of sort.

I want to have more A-spec races though, the selection is really limited.

Yeah, credits were far easier to come by in GT4. You could then do what you wanted in the game. For many that was where the enjoyment was, to simply play around for a while.

 

[RacingManiac]

Yeah I have to consciously stop myself buying stuff in GT5 if I want to buy cars like F-GT to keep playing A-spec to completion. I have a decent collection of cars now, but I can't just go out and buy something, and make that money back easily...