Lobby cheats ?

funkymcmonkey

funkymcmonkey

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funkymcmonkey
I've only noticed recently after doing open lobbys instead of private that certain people like to leave the lobby and jump back in before the race starts so they get 1st place (i have the grid set on reversed results order as it saves the usual people always going out right at the start to get pole all the time if its set to fastest first, and slowest is unfair depending on where your car is in the pits), noobies i can deal with as they get a warning and if they do it again they get kicked, but i have noticed people on my friends list who i have been racing with for a while doing it aswell and it really gets on my nerves as in my opinion its basically cheating ? plus theres also the problem of people getting a bad start in a race and just quitting there for starting the next race at the front again, i was wondering if anyone has encountered the same problem and how they deal with it ? must say there should probably be a random grid option to cut it out.
 
They leave and come back there fore they win? How would that be a cheat.. :P
They probably went to get an oil change or something.
 
i've heard that old "oil change, spoiler, blah blah blah etc" chestnut a few times and although maybe true on a few occasions bo****ks on most others and they get an unfair advantage through Cheating plain and simple, i take it your one of the lobby jumpers then ?
 
I'm not sure where you're going with this... I host SO MANY rooms and have never seen a person leave come back, and then win, based on nothing but skill..

I don't see where you get an idea like this from.

Besides.


funkymcmonkey
i take it your one of the lobby jumpers then ?
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I think jumping to these conclusions are a little bit unnecessary.
 
I think jumping to these conclusions are a little bit unnecessary.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough maybe , anyway you haven't experienced it i have and yes people have won the race in a lobby im hosting after either leaving the lobby then rejoining or quitting the race and gaining grid places, i think your contribution to my question is irrelevant after your first 2 replys, thanks :yuck:
 
It's not so much cheating, but more a case of exploiting a programming weakness. In this case, leaving the lobby and returning removes the player's entry in the previous race, therefore gifting pole position when they come back into the room for the next race.
Say for example, player A wins a race, then leaves the room for some reason. He should have started the next race at the very back of the grid. ("Reverse grid based on last race results") By leaving the room his last race result is removed by the programme and player B, who came 2nd, gets relegated to the back of the grid for the next race instead.
Player A returns to the room, and as his last race result no longer exists he is placed into pole position on the next race grid.

Completely ridiculous system, hence why I never use the "previous race" system for grid setting subsequent races.
 
Usually grid position barely matters in this game, and you're racing just for fun anyways. Chill out.
 
Just change the roomsettings then? 💡

The participants act on what you as a host hand out as opportunities.
Look at them like water.. As soon as something is not waterproof... It will leak... Seal the leak!

Bottom line, it's up to you to set the rules with the tools you're provided by PD.

I can't see the problem with guys who enter track as soon as free run opens up after a race (After all, it's not the one who enters the track first that gets pole, right? It's based on the drivers lap times, right?). Everyone is allowed to, right?

If you only have like 5 min between races, those extra seconds or that minute someone will bo on track can have an impact.. So just increase the race cycle with a minute or two?

Just my opinion. 👍
 
I't a stupid setting! Why would you want all the slowest people at the start of the grid anyway?
 
I can't see the problem with guys who enter track as soon as free run opens up after a race (After all, it's not the one who enters the track first that gets pole, right? It's based on the drivers lap times, right?). Everyone is allowed to, right?

its the person furthest on track if a lap time hasnt been set in free run.
 
funkymcmonkey
its the person furthest on track if a lap time hasnt been set in free run.
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Yes, but as long as the time between races is long enough to set a lap, there's no problem.
What I'm trying to say is that it's up to the host to set the room up. If you want it to be fair, set each race start every 5-7 minutes or so, and everyone get the chance to set a lap, no matter when they enter the track.
La Sarthe and Nordschleife apart ofc. If you race these tracks, set the timer to 7-10 min instead.

It's not that hard, really.
 
most people i race with like to build certain things in between races lol so i just start the race when everyones ready, thanks for the input but i think i'll just continue to kick people that leave and then rejoin my lobby.
 
Your a silly host that ruins the game by taking the obvious slow noobs and puts them out front in a 3 lap race. Only to watch everyone wreck because of the chaos.
People are probably backing out to try and find a sensible host.

Also ever see the loading times to back out and rejoin a room? It takes 10 minutes sometimes. I think they are searching for a better room in between your races.
 
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Denilson
Yes, but as long as the time between races is long enough to set a lap, there's no problem.
What I'm trying to say is that it's up to the host to set the room up. If you want it to be fair, set each race start every 5-7 minutes or so, and everyone get the chance to set a lap, no matter when they enter the track.
La Sarthe and Nordschleife apart ofc. If you race these tracks, set the timer to 7-10 min instead.

It's not that hard, really.
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NjLowrider
Your a silly host that ruins the game by taking the obvious slow noobs and puts them out front in a 3 lap race. Only to watch everyone wreck because of the chaos.
People are probably backing out to try and find a sensible host.

Also ever see the loading times to back out and rejoin a room? It takes 10 minutes sometimes. I think they are searching for a better room in between your races.
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why is my lobby always full of regulars that enjoy the clean races then........jerk off
 
Then start the race when they leave before they can rejoin, problem solved. Anyway a game is just for fun not something to be annoyed by some subjective perceptions. I do not mind to win or not, how many times I am in last place wether by being rammed or by own mistakes to keep racing and fight back to retake some positions, that is also funny for sure imho.
 
lampadione
You mean 14-20. Kind of boring IMO.
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Yes, you're right.. Forgot that you actually have to race around 1 time before the timer starts..
2 laps at La Sarthe requires around 8-12 minutes..
2 laps at the Nordschleife requires 15-18 minutes..


funkymcmonkey
why is my lobby always full of regulars that enjoy the clean races then........jerk off
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This answer kind of explains it all imo.
All I wanted was to highlight how you as a host can use the settings PD gave you to your advantage instead of the opposite.

Why would you want all the slower cars in the front btw?
Seems silly to me. All it does is that faster driver will be held up, and you'll end up in a big carnage, cause all cars are packed together.

Good luck with your epic rooms 👍
 
they could be backing out to get a faster car. In my lobbys i see it all the time, its not cheating its just them trying to have a better advantage. I really dont care if i come first or last, its about having fun and seeing if your lines are getting better etc
 
My solution on hosting: fastest first, light penaltys affective also on free run. On Nurburgring, which i only host, you got fastest first even nobody got full lap on free run, who is longest on cource when race starts he got first in start and so on ending to those who stays in pit or joining to track just before start.

It seems fair for me and then slower racers usually stays back on start and chaos of first turns are usually avoided. Try it 👍
 
seriously? who cares, starting first or 16th, its a matter of a couple hundred feet,unless its 1 lap race around tsukuba it doesnt matter.

i prefer to set it like a real race,qualify for grid position. if your fast you'll be upfront, if you get caught in a wreck,guess what? you can always try again next race. its not for money or anything if you lose a race.
 
It's been my experience that regardless of starting position, the worse drivers usually find their own way to the back of the pack by the end.
 
NjLowrider
Your a silly host that ruins the game by taking the obvious slow noobs and puts them out front in a 3 lap race. Only to watch everyone wreck because of the chaos.
People are probably backing out to try and find a sensible host.

Also ever see the loading times to back out and rejoin a room? It takes 10 minutes sometimes. I think they are searching for a better room in between your races.
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silly host ? your opinion and your entitled to it even if i do find the word silly coming from you rather ironic :dopey:
 
Denilson
Why would you want all the slower cars in the front btw?
Seems silly to me. All it does is that faster driver will be held up, and you'll end up in a big carnage, cause all cars are packed together.
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I agree with this;

People ("Lobby Jumpers" according to you) who leave, then rejoin for better grid placement would only benefit those who can actually keep their high position. Less skilled players would more likely lose their position early, or on the first corner by over-agressive idiots. Fastest first grid placement seems like the obvious solution, since you'll have the fast people who wont crash and "kill others" up in front, and the slower ones in the back.

It's how motorsport has worked for many years; take it up!
 
Machate-man
I agree with this;

People ("Lobby Jumpers" according to you) who leave, then rejoin for better grid placement would only benefit those who can actually keep their high position. Less skilled players would more likely lose their position early, or on the first corner by over-agressive idiots. Fastest first grid placement seems like the obvious solution, since you'll have the fast people who wont crash and "kill others" up in front, and the slower ones in the back.

It's how motorsport has worked for many years; take it up!
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erm no i'll stick to just kicking the jumpers
 
funkymcmonkey
erm no i'll stick to just kicking the jumpers
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You'll end up kicking more people, now that this exploit* is out in the public, with instructions on how to it now in this thread:dunce:

*This is both a cheat and an exploit of a system.
 
Really the system should put the people that have not raced in the last race in the back.

However it's not like that, so I would give people warnings about leaving and rejoining often.

But what if someone doesn't make the start of the race, then they race the next race? They are in front, but you don't know if they skipped the race to be in front of were truly afk.

I generally don't like the reverse grid option. Something I've noticed, is that newer players that aren't the quickest don't like being in front. They know they are going to get passed at some point and become nervous about their driving. So the race starts they do something stupid and end up last. Next race they are back at the pole. Rinse and repeat.
 

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