Long time GT fan really frustated...

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Hey all,
I don't mean for this to sound like a rant but I'm really frustrated with GT6. I've been playing the GT series since day one and have always loved them. This was my "go to" game....I could always rely on having a great time playing the games regardless of my mood or anything else. It always put a huge grin on my face...now I get mad and yell at the tv. My tunes from GT3 thru GT5 were always spot on for my style of driving...I could throw my cars around on the tracks and they would stick without the cars sliding off the track or wrecking all the time. I know one of the reasons for this was the fact that I could race with racing soft tires on all the GT games....can't do that with GT6....I can only use racing hards...sucky, even using full-on race cars. I've gotten somewhat comfortable with a couple of my cars but they're still all over the tracks. Apparently some of the suspension settings are backwards compared to GT5, I don't know.
I've raced all but 4 or 5 races in the single player mode and still haven't unlocked the Super License races...not sure why but, can't race them (probably need more of those dumb stars to proceed).
I hate to say it but, I'm just not enjoying this game...it seems like more was taken away from the game instead of added to the game. I realize that online racing is where it's at but I don't race online.
Could you guys give a GT veteran some advice or words of wisdom that will keep me from hanging up this game? I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks guys.
 
From what you're saying, the cars might need tuning according to your driving style.
 
If you do not tune up you car well they can be a handful to drive. But practise is your best bet.
 
No one's Ayrton Senna overnight man. Cars are different in terms of handling and whatnot. What I like to do with a car I like is just spend a few laps driving it seeing what's what. If I like it, I leave it alone, but if not, I tune it till it works. You just gotta practice your driving and then learn how to tune the car to match your style of driving.
 
I've been working on the tunes non-stop to no avail...they just don't seem to be working the same as GT5. I've looked in the tuning forums looking for tunes for the cars I have but I'm not finding what I'm looking for. I know it's all trial and error but damn...spending over an hour for one car for one race just seems way too long to me. I'm obviously not doing the right things......either that or I just plain suck at GT now.....and that really sucks.
 
^this.

I have found cars in GT6 that I just can't drive the way I could in GT5. I have found cars in GT6 that I feel very comfortable with. And yes, I do hope that PD did correct the setup bug that had the front and rear ends swapped when changing the setups. I have not tinkered much yet, especially where front to rear is changed.

The Audi S1 (?) that came with the anniversary car set I have been using whenever it qualifies and I feel I have absolute control of it on the track. I might not be as fast as another car may be, but I am much more confident and can correct much easier than other equivalent PP cars. I think I can vary the PP on it from the high 400's to the upper 500's by tuning the HP from 50% to 100%.

Try a few different cars without adjusting the setup. See if you find one that just feels good to you. It will be different than it did in GT5.
 
Checkout the Tunes section of GTPlanet and find some tunes to try and see if someone has solved the tuning problem for you. That's my advice. Also, if you are sliding around a lot, you may be entering corners too fast. Try moving your braking point back a tad so that you enter the corner in more control. This allows you to roll onto the gas sooner resulting in a faster top speed in the following section. This is all basic stuff that you can read in any of the good driving books. And that is my third piece of advice. Pickup a good book on racing technique. It applies to the game and to your driving on the street or track. So learning these principles will add to your enjoyment of the game as well as driving in real life. Good luck to you.
 
RollingThunder
I've been working on the tunes non-stop to no avail...they just don't seem to be working the same as GT5. I've looked in the tuning forums looking for tunes for the cars I have but I'm not finding what I'm looking for. I know it's all trial and error but damn...spending over an hour for one car for one race just seems way too long to me. I'm obviously not doing the right things......either that or I just plain suck at GT now.....and that really sucks.
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Have you thought you might be making them worse by tuning than leaving default.

I race 99% of cars as they come and haven't found any i couldn't win with.

Had trouble with Audi R8 GT3 & Motor Sport Elise 99 before 1.03 not feeling "right" but that's all.
Is it MR cars you are having trouble with?

I use DS3 btw.
 
I find LSD settings have a massive impact on powerful read wheel drive cars. Try 8/12/20 & see how you go even undrivable Lambos seem ok with this. Also to I know the purists hate this but use aids like ASM most supercars in real life have it anyway. Good luck.
 
David Bailey
I find LSD settings have a massive impact on powerful read wheel drive cars. Try 8/12/20 & see how you go even undrivable Lambos seem ok with this. Also to I know the purists hate this but use aids like ASM most supercars in real life have it anyway. Good luck.
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Nooooooooo.....you can't use ASM....that's just dirty and evil :p

Seriously though, agreed, use whatever aids you need to be able to be comfortable with the car...I try to drive with TCS off but for higher powered RWD cars, I do sometimes need to add a bit of TC to give it some stability
 
I hear you man, GT6 has killed some cars for me, for sure, mainly my beloved Elise, the car just isn't the same, and simply won't stick like it used to. I love some things about GT6, but for driving FUN, GT5 has it beat IMO. FWIW, the only driver aid I use is skid recovery force, I find it unintrusive, and it makes the cars much more friendly.
 
I can't tune to save my life I wish I could so I could drive more cars I really like. I can't drive the Genisus at all, really want to. I just don't know what to do tuning wise I understand what does what but have no idea what to tune I have 800+ miles on some cars just trying to tune them and get no where I just got used to using the cars with very little power upgrades and the hard suspension setting and it works, but I agree I am also getting bored with the game because of that. I just keep playing gt 3,4 and 5 there more fun for me. Besides I beat the GT6 game in four days and usually gold the seasonals in 5 laps or so, so theres just not much to do other than repeat the harder races like some of the endurances and do the goodwood runs over and over again. But i'm only 78% done with GT5 so thats what i'll race for now.
 
RollingThunder
I've been working on the tunes non-stop to no avail...they just don't seem to be working the same as GT5. I've looked in the tuning forums looking for tunes for the cars I have but I'm not finding what I'm looking for. I know it's all trial and error but damn...spending over an hour for one car for one race just seems way too long to me. I'm obviously not doing the right things......either that or I just plain suck at GT now.....and that really sucks.
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They say camber is messed, and i think you agree if you really test it..
so if you tune, set em to 0...
I tried tuning the car's for my hand's and every time I touch camber it's hell on wheels...
Other wise i don't think there are big difference's if you compare it to gt5..
Although think the AI is blind and mean sometimes...

If i remember for the Super License races ,you have to do the champion chip race first, then you get to do the licenses for that earlier one to proceed to the Super's...
 
If you're still frustrated, save up and buy the Chapparal 2J race car. It was a great car in GT5, and even better in GT6. You can use it in many International A and all of the Super races. If it meets the entry criteria for a series, it wins. Doesn't take much effort to tune it, either. Good luck.

BTW, I did all races with other cars, then went back and tried them again with the 2J. The 2J absolutely crushed the AI on races where I had previously just barely won.
 
Sudenkorento
They say camber is messed, and i think you agree if you really test it..
so if you tune, set em to 0...
I tried tuning the car's for my hand's and every time I touch camber it's hell on wheels...
Other wise i don't think there are big difference's if you compare it to gt5..
Although think the AI is blind and mean sometimes...

If i remember for the Super License races ,you have to do the champion chip race first, then you get to do the licenses for that earlier one to proceed to the Super's...
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This is what I was going to suggest. Tune away, but keep Cambers at 0 until they patch it.

I'm a longtime GT player as well and I find GT6 really dumbed down in difficulty as opposed to GT5. If you were a decent GT5 player, you should be able to fly through all the single-player races and license tests in GT6.

I only faced real difficulty with GT kart 125 shifter championship and license tests S-4 & S-5, but I eventually golded them all, which is something I was never able to do in GT5.
 
Thanks for all the input guys...I really appreciate it. To address some of the replies:
I never thought to try driving the cars with the default settings. I usually get all upgrades so I know I have a chance to win races. I didn't notice the camber issue...in fact, on the Corvette C06, I have the front camber set to 3.5 and the rear wheels set between 1.5 to 2.5 and noticed better handling around most corners, As far as driving aids are concerned, I have the traction control set to 4 (if not, the car is all over the place, even worse than without it).
And as far as the cart races....hate 'em, absolutely hate em.....and yes, it's because I can't even finish a lap without spinning out, hitting a wall, or getting bumped into a spin....which sucks 'cuz I need to do those races so I can get those dumb stars so I can advance. And as far as saving to buy the Chapparal...ya, never gonna happen. It would take me a month of nonstop driving the same tracks over and over and over in order to save 20 mil....It's gonna take me awhile to save for car so I can do the Championship Race on IA so I can unlock the Super license track, especially since I just dropped 2 mil on two cars that I can't even use anywhere.....oh well, I guess.
Again, thanks for the replies guys, I appreciate your time.
 
RollingThunder
My tunes from GT3 thru GT5 were always spot on for my style of driving...I could throw my cars around on the tracks and they would stick without the cars sliding off the track or wrecking all the time. I know one of the reasons for this was the fact that I could race with racing soft tires on all the GT games....can't do that with GT6....I can only use racing hards...sucky, even using full-on race cars.

Could you guys give a GT veteran some advice or words of wisdom that will keep me from hanging up this game? I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks guys.
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Racing softs has previously been the easiest tyres to use.
In GT6 that's no longer the case. They have more grip than other tyres but when they lose it they do it without much of a warning.

If tyres are like human relations, then Racing Softs are like Brutus were to Julius Caesar - they pretend to be your best friend, but then at the stairs leading up to the palace they stab you in the back.

The easiest tyres in GT6 I find to be the comfort tyres. They're not as fast, but they let you know what they're up to. They're not as mighty as that Brutus guy above, but they're definitely more relaxed and down to Earth and in the long run they're more fun to hang around with.

So my advice: Ditch the racing tyres and go for comforts instead. You'll be slower, but you'll have much more fun.
 
Take the car or cars u are trying to tune and drive them totally stock to get a feel for the cars natural abilities. Then add your mods and go to a race (so u earn cash while tuning) and do the race. Then change one setting u feel might improve the car. This is important to only change one setting at a time. If u change multiple settings at once then u have no idea what worked and what didn't. Repeat till u get a car u like. Tuning takes time. I didn't play gt5 much I'm more of a forza guy. But gt6 seems to be much more like forza now in the aspect of how tuning affects the car. Meaning it takes time, u can't just throw the same type of generic tunes on cars and have them be affective. Every car is diff in how it reacts to diff tunes.
 
pmgolf
I understand your frustration. I can gold all the early races except the cart ones - 100 cc up. I want to race some cars, but I'm losing interest in GT 6. I may load up GT 5 and give it a go again.
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The carts are very twitchy as they are in real life. Try decreasing the steering sensitivity.
 
Bradk20
Take the car or cars u are trying to tune and drive them totally stock to get a feel for the cars natural abilities. Then add your mods and go to a race (so u earn cash while tuning) and do the race. Then change one setting u feel might improve the car. This is important to only change one setting at a time. If u change multiple settings at once then u have no idea what worked and what didn't. Repeat till u get a car u like. Tuning takes time. I didn't play gt5 much I'm more of a forza guy. But gt6 seems to be much more like forza now in the aspect of how tuning affects the car. Meaning it takes time, u can't just throw the same type of generic tunes on cars and have them be affective. Every car is diff in how it reacts to diff tunes.
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Thanks for the input dude, I appreciate it. Your right about trying it stock. Like I mentioned before, didn't even occur to me to start stock and go from there. In all honestly, I did try to apply some of my tunes from GT5 to the GT6 cars and it really didn't seem to work to well. So, that being said, I'll go back and try this method of tuning.

David Baily-I could of sworn the Chapparal cost 20 mil. Not sure what the log in bonus is but if it's an online thing, I don't race online...I don't have hardware to do so. I'm just going to have to slog the IA races to save for the higher priced cars...which isn't terrible 'cuz I need the practice to get a handle on some of my tunes.

Again, thanks for the input guys...lots of useful info and suggestions. Thanks.
 
Last night I did an arcade race set to professional. I did 2 laps at the Ring in the 365 GTB with all aids off. It was very relaxing. I stayed clear of the AI as best I could and was in 2nd place by the end of the first lap. About 25% through the second lap I passed the number 1 car. I ended up losing it at the end of the straight trying to bring my speed back down from 165 mph. The number 2 car then proceeded to pass me and I had no distance to pass him back. Other than that one loss of control the car handled beautifully.
 
I'm going through the career races without any tuning or driver aids. Love the way the car's feel stock. No initial oil change, adding my weight in ballast and using default tires at best. No rush getting through for me-the joy is in the journey. Half the time I'm just doing 10 lap Arcades, driving clean and taking my time like a track day.

Comfort tires I'm really liking. The grip progression is miles ahead of GT5. I've used comforts on all road cars so far. The pronounced tire noise on exotic level rides has forced a switch to SH's though, wish that could be toned down.

Yet to try any tires over RH's on race cars except for when forced to use RM's. The feel of GT6 is far superior to GT5. Can't say how "realistic" it is but I like it a lot more.
 
I think that one of the main purposes of the game is to be spot on with the real driving characteristics of each car. I think that's where the fun of the game really is.

I will give you my personal example; Some one in this forum told me that one of the worst cars to drive was the Ruff BTR. Never in the whole saga of the game had I ever driven the BTR, so I went and bought it. Immediately I went to give it a test drive. Man, I didn't even make it in to the first turn, the car spun on my in the first turn.
Anyone else would have said "Man, this car is a piece of junk, it can't even handle a simple corner" and immediately would have bought the racing suspension on that very exact moment and try to tune it. But I didn't

I thought "The idea of the game is replicate the real driving characteristics of the car" Then I recalled of this video

So I said to my self "This car is NOT undriveable, Its me the one that can not drive it" from that moment on, it became my mission and goal to tame that car in his pure essence. No tuning, tame it with pure driving ability.

480 Miles later, I still haven't been able to master it to a 100% (I am at a 80%) but you can rest assure, that is the most enjoyable car I have ever driven so far in the GT saga.

So what I am trying to say is; not to only enjoy the game for the tuning, but to enjoy it for what is intended to do in the first place, simulate real cars and the excitement of driving each one of them.
 
Pedro Amador
I think that one of the main purposes of the game is to be spot on with the real driving characteristics of each car. I think that's where the fun of the game really is.
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^ spot on.

This is how I ruined the Gran Turismo series for a friend - He wanted to drive a Porsche for his first time playing Gran Turismo 5. We set him up in the Yellow Bird and put him on the Ring (a brutal car / track combo for a newb). He was cursing the whole way around it. But, can you imagine putting a "I know what I'm doing" driver in that exact same scenario in real life? He'd wreck just the same!

To the OP: I do agree that the car "feel" in GT6 is much different than in GT5. Using the same Fanatec CSR wheel and Clubsport pedals for both games, I had to "relearn" how to drive in the virtual sense with GT6. But once I understood how the new suspension / tyre model worked, I felt like GT6 offers a very realistic simulation of automobiles on a racetrack. Just stick with it.
 

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