LP670 has unrealistic grip, no wheel spin

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Highlandor
You can say that again...

How many years have we waited for cars like this to be on the Gran Turismo series..??

Now that we've got them, people are complaining about not being able to do a burnout in a 4wd Lamborghini...??

Also, I like the way that you fail to mention what tyres you are using and what modifications you have made, if any..

So not only do we have to put up with a request that is, at the least questionable, at the most, ridiculous, we are also expected to be telepathic and know what levels of grip your car currently has.

There are 9 different types of tyres for tarmac use and the difference between the least amount of grip (comfort hard) and the most amount of grip (racing soft) is absolutey enormous.



Yes, indeed, very puzzling...

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Yeah, and then some smug :censored:hole who can't spell "Highlander" properly will spit his condescending remarks upon you from his mounted high horse.
 
I've been trying this and honestly I don't think the tires should be limiting a >600hp car from doing donuts. I doubt 4WD could either. But with such a beast, I enjoy hot lapping much more than burnouts :)
 
ViLLaiN
Yeah, and then some smug :censored:hole who can't spell "Highlander" properly will spit his condescending remarks upon you from his mounted high horse.
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LOL

Well at least I know a little bit about motorsports, unlike some people..

Eh..??

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(How's your brick doing at Indy - still using maximum downforce ??)

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TwinturboCH
The stupidity of some people beggars belief. In real life you cannot now, nor will you EVER be able to do a burnout in a fourwheel drive car. You will also never manage to do a burnout in a mid-engined car, even if it is RWD.

It's real life physics, deal with it.
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agreed on the stupidity- but not on the source.
I have a Supercharged, Small Block Chevy transplanted 1985 Toyota 4x4 Truck.
I run Ford 9" front and rear with 5.28:1 gears and lockers. I can smoke all four tires with no problem (and they are 39.5" tall. We used to use it for mud racing but now it is just a weekend toy for the sand dunes.
It's a fairly light truck with high horsepower- Real World Physics- Deal With It.
I hate when people that have no clue come on and talk others down.
 
1Fast335i
agreed on the stupidity- but not on the source.
I have a Supercharged, Small Block Chevy transplanted 1985 Toyota 4x4 Truck.
I run Ford 9" front and rear with 5.28:1 gears and lockers. I can smoke all four tires with no problem (and they are 39.5" tall. We used to use it for mud racing but now it is just a weekend toy for the sand dunes.
It's a fairly light truck with high horsepower- Real World Physics- Deal With It.
I hate when people that have no clue come on and talk others down.
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Can you smoke the tires from a stand still, and keep them smoking while aplaing brakes, so you can make a controlled bournout, or does the tires smoke until the truck is on the move?
 
No offence but does your truck stay in a static position as all 4 wheels spin??

A burnout is where the car stays still and the wheels spin, a ''rolling'' burnout is where the car moves forward slowly, and under control, while still spinning it's wheels, these are usually done in 2nd gear.

Technically, this shouldn't be possible with a 4wd as the front wheels would have to be spinning for it to be ''burning out' but the front brake would have to be applied to keep the control element, however, applying the front brake would stop the wheels spinning and kill the burnout..

My 910bhp Audi Le Mans will spin all of it's 4 wheels if I give it full revs in first gear, but it's not a burnout..It's just leaves a huge cloud of smoke at the start.. If I do the same in second gear the car launches like a rocket and doesn't spin it's wheels..

I don't want to cause an arguement or WW3, but I'm just asking..
 
rileyra
Pretty sure the guy talking about the spoiler was referring to the added weight combined with the engine's weight sitting on top of the rear wheels... I really doubt he was trying to say that the spoiler's downforce would prevent the car from burning out.

Jesus there are some knowitall's here... Your crap doesn't smell like roses there guy...
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Yeah - because the spoiler weighs a good 100kg... talk about "know it all" ;) :lol:

TwinturboCH
The stupidity of some people beggars belief. In real life you cannot now, nor will you EVER be able to do a burnout in a fourwheel drive car. You will also never manage to do a burnout in a mid-engined car, even if it is RWD.

It's real life physics, deal with it.
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And you know this how?

 
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Well mine has 864hp and is 1245kg after upgrading everything and anything, and I keep spinning out, its retardedly fast and the grip is still pretty good overall but I wouldn't say its too good, if you give it even half pedal on most turns it will give out immediately, just too damn powerful lol
 
1Fast335i
agreed on the stupidity- but not on the source.
I have a Supercharged, Small Block Chevy transplanted 1985 Toyota 4x4 Truck.
I run Ford 9" front and rear with 5.28:1 gears and lockers. I can smoke all four tires with no problem (and they are 39.5" tall. We used to use it for mud racing but now it is just a weekend toy for the sand dunes.
It's a fairly light truck with high horsepower- Real World Physics- Deal With It.
I hate when people that have no clue come on and talk others down.
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I'm sure you can smoke out all four tyres, but it's not a 'burnout' because it's not static/rolling! All you are doing is a standing start with huge power to spin the wheels, well done, but it's about as much of a burnout as my mum does pulling away from the lights in her volvo. The INCREDIBLY simple fact remains (which you still don't seem to get) you can't do a 'burnout' in a AWD, end of. And as for 'no clue' I'm a professional drifter, so how exactly do I have 'no clue'? Jesus you really aren't doing much to dispell the stereotype of the stupid american LMFAO

Simply, can you do what I'm doing in the video below? That is, spin the wheels up, then hold the car stationary. No? What a surprise! Then you can't do a burnout can yo!




RC45
Yeah - because the spoiler weighs a good 100kg... talk about "know it all" ;) :lol:



And you know this how?

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And in who's world is that a burnout?

That is donutting/wheelspinning/dicking around, nothing more.

A burnout, whether static or rolling, is spinning up the rear wheels while using the brakes to hold the front wheels locked/rolling at a fixed speed. This is NOT possible in mid engined cars because there is not enough weight over the front wheels. You can lock them with the brakes, but the extra traction provided by having the engine over the rear wheels just causes the front wheels to slide accross the tarmac.

THIS is a burnout:

And yes that's me in my Mark II LOL
 
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McLaren
It's not just the spoiler. It's combination of it, the engine, & the VT System.
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So you are saying the weight of the spoiler is a contributing factor?

TwinturboCH
THIS is a burnout:

And yes that's me in my Mark II LOL
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That just shows cold tyres with no traction.
 
RC45
That just shows cold tyres with no traction.
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I can do it with hot tyres too, and in pretty much ANY rear wheel drive front engined car, like I said, pro-drifter etc etc. The simple question was, since you said I was both stupid and wrong, can you do a BURNOUT in your AWD truck? Don't worry about answering, I already know the answer. LOL

And by the way, that was on close to brand new (less than ten miles on them) 255/45 ZR18's and power was a (totally stock with the exception of an exhaust and diff)) 280bhp, so hardly a lack of grip/traction caused by 'cold tyres'.
 
RC45
So you are saying the weight of the spoiler is a contributing factor?
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When you try to do a burnout in the SV, the VT system won't co-operate and the car will violently shudder forward (see video). Meanwhile, the spoiler is keeping the rear planted to help the tires grip and accelerate, but it can't b/c you're trying spin them.

The weight of the spoiler is not doing it, it's the spoiler's function that is contributing. Overall, the main "culprit" is the VT system.
 
McLaren
When you try to do a burnout in the SV, the VT system won't co-operate and the car will violently shudder forward (see video). Meanwhile, the spoiler is keeping the rear planted to help the tires grip and accelerate, but it can't b/c you're trying spin them.

The weight of the spoiler is not doing it, it's the spoiler's function that is contributing. Overall, the main "culprit" is the VT system.
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How, during a STATIC burnout (or even a rolling one) would the spoiler contribute to rear end grip? The spoiler works by airflow, since the car is stationary (or moving very slowly) there is no airflow, and therefore no downforce.
 
McLaren
When you try to do a burnout in the SV, the VT system won't co-operate and the car will violently shudder forward (see video). Meanwhile, the spoiler is keeping the rear planted to help the tires grip and accelerate, but it can't b/c you're trying spin them.

The weight of the spoiler is not doing it, it's the spoiler's function that is contributing. Overall, the main "culprit" is the VT system.
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The spoiler do not contribute at all in lets say 6 mph.. You know it takes a lot of air to push the car down do you? And to get a lot of air on the spoiler you need speed, and lots of it. Not even F1 cars have help from their spoilers when going into slow corners.. In that case, it's all about the other settings (camber, spring rate, toe and so on.)The spoiler helps at low speed as much as putting a chokladbar on the enginecover.. nothing!
 
McLaren
The weight of the spoiler is not doing it, it's the spoiler's function that is contributing. Overall, the main "culprit" is the VT system.
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Aerodynamics don't usually kick in until about 80mph usually, even then it's only minimal, especially on road cars.. ???

It's only pretty comprehensive spoilers and speeds of 100mph+ where any kind of really large amounts of downforce are created on most road cars..

Old skool Sierra Cosworth springs to mind, that had a huge spoiler on but I'm sure it only produced something like 80kgs at speed...but I can't remember exactly...

F1 cars are supposed to produce twice their weight or something at high speed..??
 
Highlandor
Aerodynamics don't usually kick in until about 80mph usually, even then it's only minimal, especially on road cars.. ???

It's only pretty comprehensive spoilers and speeds of 100mph+ where any kind of really large amounts of downforce are created on most road cars..

Old skool Sierra Cosworth springs to mind, that had a huge spoiler on but I'm sure it only produced something like 80kgs at speed...but I can't remember exactly...

F1 cars are supposed to produce twice their weight or something at high speed..??
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It was an old saying that a F1 car coul drive upsidedown in a tunel. theoreticly speaking. It is possible in theory, but rules in F1 are supposed to counteract such innovations of securityreasons.. If there was no rules.. well the Red Bull X2010 is a good examle of what ca be done if no rules aplyed.
 
TwinturboCH
I'm sure you can smoke out all four tyres, but it's not a 'burnout' because it's not static/rolling! All you are doing is a standing start with huge power to spin the wheels, well done, but it's about as much of a burnout as my mum does pulling away from the lights in her volvo. The INCREDIBLY simple fact remains (which you still don't seem to get) you can't do a 'burnout' in a AWD, end of. And as for 'no clue' I'm a professional drifter, so how exactly do I have 'no clue'? Jesus you really aren't doing much to dispell the stereotype of the stupid american LMFAO

Simply, can you do what I'm doing in the video below? That is, spin the wheels up, then hold the car stationary. No? What a surprise! Then you can't do a burnout can yo!




And in who's world is that a burnout?

That is donutting/wheelspinning/dicking around, nothing more.

A burnout, whether static or rolling, is spinning up the rear wheels while using the brakes to hold the front wheels locked/rolling at a fixed speed. This is NOT possible in mid engined cars because there is not enough weight over the front wheels. You can lock them with the brakes, but the extra traction provided by having the engine over the rear wheels just causes the front wheels to slide accross the tarmac.

THIS is a burnout:

And yes that's me in my Mark II LOL
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WOW, thats was a sad effort at "power braking". I would be embarrassed to post that clip. A burnout is smoking the drive tires, power braking is smoking the drive tires while holding the non-drive tires with the brakes.
 
TwinturboCH
I'm sure you can smoke out all four tyres, but it's not a 'burnout' because it's not static/rolling! All you are doing is a standing start with huge power to spin the wheels, well done, but it's about as much of a burnout as my mum does pulling away from the lights in her volvo. The INCREDIBLY simple fact remains (which you still don't seem to get) you can't do a 'burnout' in a AWD, end of. And as for 'no clue' I'm a professional drifter, so how exactly do I have 'no clue'? Jesus you really aren't doing much to dispell the stereotype of the stupid american LMFAO

Simply, can you do what I'm doing in the video below? That is, spin the wheels up, then hold the car stationary. No? What a surprise! Then you can't do a burnout can yo!





And in who's world is that a burnout?

That is donutting/wheelspinning/dicking around, nothing more.

A burnout, whether static or rolling, is spinning up the rear wheels while using the brakes to hold the front wheels locked/rolling at a fixed speed. This is NOT possible in mid engined cars because there is not enough weight over the front wheels. You can lock them with the brakes, but the extra traction provided by having the engine over the rear wheels just causes the front wheels to slide accross the tarmac.

THIS is a burnout:

And yes that's me in my Mark II LOL
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Oh, I'm sorry, a "professional drifter" lmao, and to think I wasted all those years to get my BSEE when I could have just learned physics from some tard on the GT5 forum. lmao
 
LS2_PONTIAC_GTO
WOW, thats was a sad effort at "power braking". I would be embarrassed to post that clip. A burnout is smoking the drive tires, power braking is smoking the drive tires while holding the non-drive tires with the brakes.
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I don't care if you consider it 'embarrassing', its the only video i have of me doing it as I don't do it very often, it was done for a laugh and to break my new road tyres in, if you don't like it, go somewhere and tell someone who cares. LOL

And NO, a BURNOUT is what I'm doing. Burnout's derive from drag racing and are used to warm the rear tyres, you spin the wheels and hold the car on the brakes. Or am I wrong in thinking that drag racers use the brakes to hold the car static? Oh no, wait, I'm right again.

Or are you saying that you consider a 'burnout' to be when you just wheelspin off the line? Sorry, you're wrong LMAO. A burnout is so called because you can BURN THE TYRES OUT, i.e. do it indefinately. How exactly do you propose you burn the tyres out without using the brakes?

This place is full of geniuses tonight hahahahahaha

1Fast335i
Oh, I'm sorry, a "professional drifter" lmao, and to think I wasted all those years to get my BSEE when I could have just learned physics from some tard on the GT5 forum. lmao
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Just because I know how to drive doesn't mean I'm uneducated, I actually studied physics ;) And I've still to see you prove me wrong and yourself right. If you can, I'll capitulate without hesitation.

I'm waiting....
 
TwinturboCH
I don't care if you consider it 'embarrassing', its the only video i have of me doing it as I don't do it very often, it was done for a laugh and to break my new road tyres in, if you don't like it, go somewhere and tell someone who cares. LOL

And NO, a BURNOUT is what I'm doing. Burnout's derive from drag racing and are used to warm the rear tyres, you spin the wheels and hold the car on the brakes. Or am I wrong in thinking that drag racers use the brakes to hold the car static? Oh no, wait, I'm right again.

Or are you saying that you consider a 'burnout' to be when you just wheelspin off the line? Sorry, you're wrong LMAO. A burnout is so called because you can BURN THE TYRES OUT, i.e. do it indefinately. How exactly do you propose you burn the tyres out without using the brakes?

This place is full of geniuses tonight hahahahahaha
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Would you care to enlighten the rest of us with your definition of "power braking"?
 
LS2_PONTIAC_GTO
Would you care to enlighten the rest of us with your definition of "power braking"?
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The word doesn't get used in England, but since you seem to demand a definition, power-braking IS a burnout, we should know, we invented the language. :)

Show me a video of YOUR definition of a burnout, if you please.
 
TwinturboCH
The word doesn't get used in England, but since you seem to demand a definition, power-braking IS a burnout, we should know, we invented the language. :)

Show me a video of YOUR definition of a burnout, if you please.
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LMFAO

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Come on guys! Why give a hard time about a video? It's not what this thread is about. He is trying to show what a bournout is. Not trying to show of imo.

If you think that a bournout is spinning your wheels during start, or locking up the front wheels to keep the wheels burning, just say so and try to keep a good discusion about it instead. Well, if you think that a wheelspinn from a standing start is a bournout, then the answer is that you CAN do a bornout in a 4WD. But if you think that a bournout is when locking up the front wheels to keep the rearwheels burning then it is not possible. Can we all agree on that?
 
He uses hes brakes to get wheelspin.. offcourse the wheels keep on spinning for a while.. Controlled by the accelerator.. However, he can not keep on spinning for ever once he let go of the brakes.. Yes, I would say that the bournout ends when he let go of the brakes.. becaouse in my book, the bornout is as long as you control the speed, keeping the car to a halt/low speed forcing the rear wheels to spinn. But thats just me..
 
LS2_PONTIAC_GTO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6CazBSXHRQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUTjsBJ6cPs&feature=related
i guess you would say the burnout ends when he lets off the breaks in the second clip? LOL
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First video is a ROLLING BURNOUT. Why? Because he is QUITE CLEARLY holding the car on the brakes, hence why it slides so sideways and doesn't pick up speed.
Second video, yes, thats a burnout, which then becomes just wheelspin once the brakes are released. So what if they are smoking, the car is picking up speed, so the wheelspin will eventually die, therefore it's not a burnout. LOL

I see you struggle with your grasp of 'English' haha

Denilson: just leave it now, you and I both know we are right, arguing with these guys is like trying to swim through treacle, you are never going to get anywhere cause they're just too thick LMFAO
 
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