M3- after 1200 mile service

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InvincibleM5
^^... As stated there :lol:

;)

EDIT: Owh yeah, I totally forgot the Ferrari 458. Hands down, I think they've just made the new world's most advanced V8 :)
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Ah, I missed that. Figured Ice would say something. It has almost the same specs as the M3 though.

niky
Yeah... that's what she said.


:dopey:
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Isn't that what he said? Macho screamer man! :lol:
 
With an IS as a daily driver why would you want another 4 seater as a toy/treat/weekend car?

Not a great fan of the Caymen myself though... my brother-in-law has an S, and although it's fast and handles/stops really well it only really feels right when you're tanking along in it.

Personally I'd take a 997 of a similar value - a 1 year old 997 C2S should be similar money to a new Caymen S (and you'd lose far less in year 1 depreciation).
 
Thing with the carrera is that he doesn't want to go straight from his current car to one, he wants something between his current car and the next car, which will probably be a carrera s, a new one since he prefers new cars and has never bought one used but that would be about 5 years from now so who knows if there are other cars in the market by then. Right now, it's between those 2, he liked the mustang more than the previous version but just hasn't had enough experience with american cars to trust them and is not so fond of the mustang, It's a great car, though. Oh and BTW if he buys the cayman s it's in dark blue with the sport design wheels and if he buys the M3 it would be alpine white and no sunroof, he doesn't use it, plus the contrast with the roof is great when the roof is carbon fiber.
 
Has he driven them?

Which one did he like best to drive?
 
To quote on post # 19 that is the specs for the non S Cayman. The correct spec. for the S model would be.

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Displacement 3.4
Horsepower 320 hp
@ rpm 7200
Torque 273 lb.-ft.
Compression ratio 12.5
Top Track Speed 172 mph
0-60 mph 4.9 sec

I would say the Cayman would be a better balanced car (Mid engine) and more tracktable since the power can come on smoothly rather than instant brut torque. Personally I like the Boxster S but would probably go for a used one and take it to RUF for an engine swap and stick a 3.8 ltr motor. I'm partial to convertibles if its for the street. But if I would turn it to a track car the Cayman would be my choice.
 
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Looking at the post originally I would have said Porsche Cayman S.
But now that I think, I'd get the BMW M3 Sedan so three other people can enjoy the sweet sonorous redline of the V8.
ANd get it in manual! Silly Dual-Clutches...
 
Azuremen
74 gt-lbs more 500 RPMs sooner is quite a difference...
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I disagree. Maybe if the cars weighed the same maybe you'd be right. The Cayman is much lighter thus nulls the slight difference. And by lighter I mean by hundreds of pounds. :lol:
 
Radracing
To quote on post # 19 that is the specs for the non S Cayman. The correct spec. for the S model would be.
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I did that on purpose because the non-S model is cheaper than the price of the M3 for more of an interesting comparison. :sly: In actuality the S model would be far and aware the better buy over the M3 for the money.
 
JCE
I disagree. Maybe if the cars weighed the same maybe you'd be right. The Cayman is much lighter thus nulls the slight difference. And by lighter I mean by hundreds of pounds. :lol:
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The extra 20 ft-lbs in my friends 99 M3 over my 95 was noticeable, despite his car having an extra 100 pounds or so on mine.
 
JCE
I disagree. Maybe if the cars weighed the same maybe you'd be right. The Cayman is much lighter thus nulls the slight difference. And by lighter I mean by hundreds of pounds. :lol:
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What the cars weigh doesn't change how much torque the engine makes.

If you want to make the comparison about torque to weight ratio, you should then properly compare wheel torque to weight, which accounts for gearing.

The M3 puts much more torque to the ground than the Cayman. More than enough to make up for the weight difference. That's why the M3 is a 113-114 mph car and the Cayman S is a 108-109 mph car.


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^^Them.

For this though, I'd go with the M3. The Porsche is probably more nimble, but the M3 has a very responsive engine that allows it to go like stink. It also has more space and it's a 2+2. The Porsche, while being very nice, is a bit of a midlife-crisis-mobile. I can see how this would be a tough choice. Both cars have their pros and cons.
 
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Azuremen
M3, as it is God'd Chariot, a gift to mankind.

Also, Porsche owners get more crap than BMW owners for well, being them. And it is a better car to live with in the real world, regardless of the seat count. And likely cheaper maintenance costs in the long run. Plus BMW interiors just feel worlds more thought out than Porsche interiors.
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Carrera owners get crap. Cayman owners in my opinion are the ones who aren't idiots, because not only is there car just as capable and even more stable in any real world situation you'd ever overspeed into, it's also much cheaper.

But in this comparison the M3 probably is the better driver's car. Despite it's electronics it's probably the less "robotic" of the two because of its FR layout, rowdy engine, and the fact that it isn't glued on rails like the Cayman S is. Sometimes the better handling car isn't always the most fun, even if it is a real sports car.

Beyond that, I'd much rather have an older M3, particularly an E36 or E46. If he's willing to spend on an E92 then he could manage some pristine examples of the older generations. They're older but they're still Bimmers so they're going to be nice and perform well still.
 
JCE
I did that on purpose because the non-S model is cheaper than the price of the M3 for more of an interesting comparison. :sly: In actuality the S model would be far and aware the better buy over the M3 for the money.
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Were you trying to sway everyone to the M3 on purpose by giving the wrong specs of the car 'cuz the thread specifically pointed out the "S" model? :indiff:
 
I'll just leave this here...

GodsChariotSon.jpg
 
Regarding balance:

For an occassional trackday car for someone not used to them, a front-engined car with dynamic stability control will be more benign to drive. More natural understeer in the balance, and traction control to keep tail-out shenanigans in check.

And if your tastes tend towards tail-out shenanigans, it's a fair bit easier to control it in an FR car than an MR car. You can hold ridiculous slides in an M3. Right before you get black-flagged and your session is over for the day... maybe for the year if they have no sense of humor.

Omnis
Isn't that what he said? Macho screamer man! :lol:
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You caught me. I also giggle like a schoolgirl when I'm tickled . :dopey: My lady is a mean tickler, she is.
 
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The only GT3 I saw was a 2004 one with 25k at $66k, that with the costs of repairs and maintenance as it is a used car would come close to the other 2, but it is still a 6 year old car and he is planning to keep it around for a long time and pass it over to me in about 5 to 6 years or so
 
A 996 GT3 would be a much sounder financial choice.

These are undoubtably future classics and in the UK at least, Mk1 and Mk2 GT3 values stablised very quickly after the financial meltdown and the best examples are now appreciating. A 2004 GT3 would lose far less money over a 5 year period than the Caymen or M3.

Running costs aren't neccessarily high as long as you buy one that's been fettled properly. They are on 24k service intervals, the engines and running gear are bulletproof, with only rear tyre wear (c.7-8k miles a set) and brakes being reglular consumables.

As a driving experience, a well sorted GT3 would be miles ahead of either a Caymen or a M3 on the track. But the ride might prove a bit tiresome for regular road use... the mk1 is much better in this regard, but then you'd be looking at a 10 year old car!
 
YSSMAN
  • 2011 Ford Mustang GT - I call it "The Poor Man's M3" now that they've added the 411 BHP V8 and addressed many of the handling issues that have plagued it through the years. For $33K, you're not likely to find a better performing car until you add $20K or more to the sticker. Say what you will about it being a Detroit-built American performance relic, but Ford means business with the car.
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That would be my argument.
 
To answer this thread, I will say neither. One, the E92 M3 is heavy and B, the Cayman S is easier to slide. If I were you, I would just wait for the upcoming BMW 3 series.
 
OneEyedPimp20
To answer this thread, I will say neither. One, the E92 M3 is heavy and B, the Cayman S is easier to slide. If I were you, I would just wait for the upcoming BMW 3 series.
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BMW M3? Not easy to slide compared to the Cayman? Methinks you have it the other way around...
 
niky
BMW M3? Not easy to slide compared to the Cayman? Methinks you have it the other way around...
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$50, he's never driven either of them.
 
Azuremen
50 bucks he has never driven an MR car period.
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To tell you the truth, not many people have driven an MR car. You have, but then again you're totally spoiled because now you have an M3 too lmao.
 
OneEyedPimp20
To answer this thread, I will say neither. One, the E92 M3 is heavy and B, the Cayman S is easier to slide. If I were you, I would just wait for the upcoming BMW 3 series.
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What on earth does either car's ability "to slide" have to do with which is best? If his dad wanted to drift & slide every where, he can just buy a 240SX like the rest of the world's wanna-be's.
 
McLaren
What on earth does either car's ability "to slide" have to do with which is best? If his dad wanted to drift & slide every where, he can just buy a 240SX like the rest of the world's wanna-be's.
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Which, ironically, are fairly bad at drifting when stock. At least compared to any M3 I've dealt with.
 
Well, today we want to the BMW dealership and my dad ordered the coupe M3. Got it with 3 pedal manual tranny, alpine white with black interior and blue-gray brushed aluminum trim , no sunroof, competition package and premium package. The options chosen were the park distance control and alarm system, got a good deal with the car. We were told it was going to be produced in the beginning of July and would arrive around the first half of August.
 
Azuremen
Which, ironically, are fairly bad at drifting when stock. At least compared to any M3 I've dealt with.
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All it takes is an SR20, a turbo, and a good kick to the nuts... errh... clutch. :lol:
 

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