magawolaz Italian Vintage Tracks

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  1. magawolaz

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    Hi all :)

    Thanks to the Course Maker I took the opportunity to replicate some classic, unused or never-built italian racing tracks.

    I mostly stick to old circuits, but from time to time I could do something more recent.



    Autodromo Dino Ferrari, Imola (1953-1972)

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    Real life: 5.018 km / 3.118 miles
    Replica: 5.018 km / 3.118 miles
    Theme: Eifel (flat)




    Autodromo di Enna-Pergusa, Pergusa (1976-1985)

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    Real life: 4.950 km / 3.075 miles
    Replica: 4.997 km / 3.104 miles
    Theme: Eifel (flat)




    Autodromo di Castel Fusano, Rome (1954)

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    Real life: 6.582 km / 4.089 miles
    Replica: 6.581 km / 4.089 miles
    Theme: Eifel (flat)




    Autodromo "Valle dei Templi", Racalmuto (2004)

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    Real life: 2.530 km / 1.572 miles
    Replica: 2.707 km / 1.682 miles
    Theme: Death Valley




    Autodromo dell'Umbria, Magione (1995)

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    Real life: 2.507 km / 1.557 miles
    Replica: 2.987 km / 1.856 miles
    Theme: Eifel (flat)



    I take requests, and I appreciate your feedback - so feel free to try the tracks and report back :tup:

    I'll be using .gpx files, measurements from Google Maps and blueprints as much as possible, as well as placing curbs and scenery object both realistically and faithfully to the period.
     
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    I just finished recreating Ospeladetti, I'll try posting it in my own thread on Monday or so. For some reason GT chooses to censor the name /:
     
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    Looking forward to your thread :) The name is actually "Ospedaletti", see if that doesn't get censored
     
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    Just posted it, I believe it's already in the directory. I'll try editing the name. Thanks!
     
  6. magawolaz

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    ^ No problem!


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    I updated the Racalmuto track:


    Autodromo "Valle dei Templi", Racalmuto (2004)
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    Real life: 2.530 km / 1.572 miles
    Replica: 2.707 km / 1.682 miles
    Theme: Death Valley


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    @ Tribblino (post got deleted): I managed to shrink Magione down to 2.987 km :D Still not perfect, but it's as close as it's gonna get for such a small track.

    Autodromo dell'Umbria (1995)
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    Real life: 2.507 km / 1.557 miles
    Replica: 2.987 km / 1.856 miles
    Theme: Death Valley


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    Mods, could you please move this thread in the "GT6 Course Maker Showcase" forum? Not sure why it's still here

    EDIT: thank you! <3
     
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  7. EmaNymton

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    Since you seem o be a specialist on Italian Vintage Tracks, maybe you could help me solve the following Problem:

    What I want to do is re-building Monza, but with the old steep-oval-curve embedded and integrated in the layout.
    So the drivers would start the normal way as usual, drive the whole actual course until the end of the Start/Finish line, where they would drive the oval back to the initial Start/Finish line.
    The picture may illustrate what I mean:

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    There are 2 problems now, where the 1st one can be easily solved, that is
    1.) two parts (the 2 Long straights) must not be too close together, but that's okay.
    2.) and this is the REAL problem: apparently the roads cannot cross (which I understand, since an intersection on a race track would be stupidity), but I also did not find a way to build some sort of a bridge or underpass (something that also in Suzuka exists as Suzuka is laid out like the form of an 8 ), and in Monza it also really exists, it is the part circled in blue in the picture where the actual track leads underneath the old oval (that underpass is called "Sotto passagio").

    Any ideas how to build something like that in the Track Editor?
    I started out to build this with "Eifel flat", but maybe another type of terrain would allow this?
    I don't know, it's my 1st day with the Track Editor and any help or hint is welcome!
    Thanks!!
     
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    Hi! Sadly the course maker doesn't let you do crossroads or bridges/underpasses :( And I don't think PD will ever bother to update the app/game to implement this feature, so there's no way to do "8 layouts". It's a real shame.
     
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    I fully agree, it's a shame!
    Even more so as such "8 layouts" do exist like e.g. Suzuka, but I guess PD have a more sophisticated and powerful Track Editor, otherwise how shuld they have been able to build Suzuka?
    The shame is, that they don't give us this feature also, and I'm afraid they give a load of **** if we are pissed off by this or not! :banghead:
     
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    Oh, most definitely. They create them on computers, with data aquired from laser-scanning devices, gps, etc. and they have a whole bunch of artist and programmers to optimize the tracks.

    Anyway, I updated the first post adding some photos!
    I'm also working on a hillclimb course - but it's gonna take a while since images/gpx files can only be used in Eifel flat.
     
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    BTW: from where do you get .gpx-files for whatever track?
    Total newbie to this!
    And another BTW: I have found out that building the track with a more narrow road-width helps building narrower curves (e g. hairpins and so), but even with reducing the radius of a curve, you still cannot build REALLY NARROW hairpins (at least not without using some tricks which do not always work satisfactorily).
    I'm still working on Monza including the steep oval, but it's a pain in the arse to build that halfway realistically without the 2 tracks ever crossing!
     
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    Yet another BTW:
    I have seen that you have "Gaming Pete" on your friends list and also "Elias Johansson", so I hope you don't mind if I send you a friend-request as I would be proud to have you on my list too!
    Mille grazie, ciao,
    Thomaso
     
  13. magawolaz

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    [Going by memory]
    - You go on Google Maps, open the menu on the left and select My Maps, then Create.
    - Now you find your track (searching for the address/coordinates), and start drawing a line with the 'line tool' following the track.
    - Then you click on the three little dots on the menu on the left and select "Download as kml" and then confirm (don't check any check box).
    - Finally you go here and convert it to .gpx, then you load them in the app.

    This is how I do it, but maybe there's an easier way.



    Don't go crazy over old Monza, without a tool to create underpasses it's literally impossible :(

    Thank you for friend request :tup:




    EDIT: improved Imola (classic) layout: track lenght is now 1:1 (5.018 km), turns have been tweaked, scenery improved ^_^

    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/resources/autodromo-imola-1953-1972.1967/
     
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  14. EmaNymton

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    Thanks for accepting my friendship request!
    As far as the Monza-Monster is concerned, I have found a "solution" which is not very satisfactory but buildable, and I have really built it (picure at bottom of post).

    After having finished (?) the course, the frustration began, since I cannot upload the course to PSN, the App only says:
    "Sign In not possible" (but I am not alone, I just read the comments to the App in the PlayStore, and there are lots of people who have the same problem):

    In he App on the tablet I click on the "Transfer" button, then opens the PSN-Sign In Page, I enter my Password and am told that I am signed in and I can go back to continue with my App.
    When I continue and return to the App, all I get is this:

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    Which simply translated into English is just to say: "Sign In Not Possible".
    I can Play this game over and over again, always with the same result (while I have to sign in on the PSN-Site newly every time instead of staying logged in).
    Is there no other way to get my course on to my PS3 / PSN ???:confused: :confused: :confused:
    Thanks!

    Here is the Picture of how I have "raped" Monza: :crazy:

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    I have now solved the Sign-In Problem (Solution was: Freeze or Uninstall the PSN-App on the tablet, that's all!).

    But I have a new question now:
    how do you direct somebody (who is not your friend) to the track so he can save my shared track???
    Thanks a lot. mille grazie e ciao,
    Tomaso
     
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    Check out these threads, they are at the top of the Course Maker forum:
    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/how-to-share-your-own-tracks-via-url.335446/
    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/downloading-others-tracks-without-fr.335172/

    Anyway it's better if we leave these questions for the other forums/sub-forums, we are going way too off-topic!
     
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  17. jake2013guy

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    I created a video showing a lap of the Imola circuit.
     
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    As I said in the other thread, thank you! I'll put the video in the OP and in the database.

    Did you record it with a capture card? Now I want one :drool:
     
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    For the PS3 I use the Elgato Game Capture HD

    http://www.amazon.de/Elgato-Capture...160993&sr=8-1&keywords=elgato+game+capture+hd

    For the PS4 I use the Elgato Game Capture HD60

    http://www.amazon.de/Game-Capture-D...160993&sr=8-2&keywords=elgato+game+capture+hd

    They both are a Little expensive, but work beautifully in HD (1080p).
    Just look at an example on my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrWsylFfJlTa0hJlTSxmKgQ

     
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    It's a pretty old capture card I use called the Roxio Game Capture but you could probably get the HD version for about £30 anyway which is what I paid for the standard.
     
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    Buon giorno!
    I'm not gone crazy about Monza, but have built 5 Versions of it in 2 days now.
    You can find the latest version here:

    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/resources/monza.2317/

    Or, if this does not work, here:

    https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gt6/user/#!/friend/Ema-Nymton/course/1294415/

    Grazie per il vostro aiuto e la pazienza!
    Cordiali saluti, Tomaso.
     
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    Oops, I did it again!:D
    I have re-constructed Monza + Oval again and this time positioned it geographically correct as it is on the atlas (you can see that on the long straight of the oval where in the sky you see the condense-stripe of an aircraft, it is flowing a different direction now!).
    It is still a bit bumpy in some places, even though I have selected a "flat" design.
    It also looks a bit "naked" as during construction I got so many greyed-out ares where I could not place any objects like grandstands, tents, trees or whatever. I will have to learn to find a way to reduce these greyed out areas, I don't know why they are there and where they come from nor what they are good for!?
    However, it is still not bad at all, maybe you like it.
    The download is here:

    https://www.gran-turismo.com/at/gt6/user/#!/friend/Ema-Nymton/course/1314046/

    or here:

    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/resources/monza-oval-correctly-laid.2385/

    Have fun,
    see you on the grid in Suzuka! :D
    Ciao,
    Tom
     
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    And yet a new version of Monza (Ver. 7.0):
    since I have found out, that INCREASING curve-radii (also on straights!!!) reduces the number of the many greyed-out areas where planting of objects is not possible, I have increased radii where possible (it is not possible in EVERY case, but in many), thus in turn making it possible to plant many more objects to the sides of the track!
    I have re-done Monza in this spirit, so it is not so "naked" any more.
    New track available here:

    https://www.gran-turismo.com/at/gt6/user/#!/friend/Ema-Nymton/course/1316314/
    and here:
    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/resources/monza-oval-correctly-laid-planted.2397/

    Enjoy!
    I think it is in any case a better experience than driving non-racecars through the GT-areana on Comfort Hards! :banghead:
     
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    Totally :lol: (and btw: you're fast!)



    Anyway, I tried another version of Imola classic, this time on hilly Eifel: track length (4.958 km) is pretty close to the real thing, track layout is not perfect but still recognizable. Aside from the main straight, which lies at the top of a hill, the end result is better than I imagined. Of course, if PD will ever give us elevation control, that would be great.
    You can find it here: https://www.gran-turismo.com/it/gt6/user/#!/friend/miky_magawolaz/course/1347584/

    I still prefer the flat version though
     
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    How did you manage to draw a given track-pattern on Hilly Eifel? You can use an underlying picture on Flat Eifel only (I still don't understand why, but that may remain a Japanese secret).
    I would like to draw a real track on Hilly Eifel also, it is the "Höhenstraße Wien" (look it up in Google Maps), draw the track in my picture editing software and then print it on a thin clear foil instead of paper. I could then start and try to lay that foil over the display of the tablet and draw the track that way. Maybe I'll give that a try and see what I get...
    The drawback is of course that in this case we have to live with the elevation(s) that PD give us from the "Hilly Eifel", so it will never be the real thing as Long as they don't give us the possibility to change elevation to our likings.
    This is something that should be easily made possible, I don't think that one has to be a rocket-scientist to introduce this feature in the App on all 4 layouts!
    This, btw, is the reason why my 1st chicane at Monza is so bumpy, even though I have chosen flat radii, because also "Eifel Flat" is not 100% flat, so you get little bumps sometimes where you don't want them at all, as is the case in my "Curva Grande"!
     
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    I simply draw the track by hand, as you can see the shape is not perfect.
    Paper trick sounds good, make sure the scale is right! About the bumpiness of the road, it depends on the "Bank Angle" value and on the number of turns (or better, "anchors"): the more anchors you place for a turn, the more bumpy the road will be in that spot.
     
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    Try doing Monza without chicanes. Sounds fun to drive!
     
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    Here's my video of Autodromo Di Pergusa. Enjoyed this one also especially due to the high speed nature of the circuit. By the way, I tried out Autodromo Castel Fusano and it was incredible!