Major Earthquake & Tsunami in Japan

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Sounds to me like they originally wanted to salvage the reactors as best they could, but now that they had such a problem with #1, they're just doing damage control and flooding the **** out of any reactor that even looks like it could become a problem.

They'll probably redesign that whole complex after all of this is over.
 
Omnis
Sounds to me like they originally wanted to salvage the reactors as best they could, but now that they had such a problem with #1, they're just doing damage control and flooding the **** out of any reactor that even looks like it could become a problem.

They'll probably redesign that whole complex after all of this is over.
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Or abandon it altogether if it gets any worse.
 
Omnis
Sounds to me like they originally wanted to salvage the reactors as best they could, but now that they had such a problem with #1, they're just doing damage control and flooding the **** out of any reactor that even looks like it could become a problem.

They'll probably redesign that whole complex after all of this is over.
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Radiation levels might be too extreme for them to consider it as a viable option in future.
 
DKLion3s
Not quite sure why Japan's engineers decided the shoreline is best for their facilities though? Considering they have alot more elevated and less populated land, along the backbone (central line) of the country.
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Two reasons:

To my knowledge, nuclear plants are virtually always built on a shoreline or near a river if possible because water is abundant and a lot of it is used not just for cooling but in order to create steam for electricity generation.

The second reason is that it's rather difficult to build a big plant on hilly or mountainous land, as you find down Japan's backbone...
 
GTlondoner
An expert on BBC just said the nuclear disaster scale

Chernobyl was a 7 ( Can't get no higher than that )
Three mile island was 5
Fukushima is a 4
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If Fukushima has gone into meltdown, and the reports are accurate, then it will not remain at level 4.
 
A total of three reactors being cooled by sea water at Fukushima and a new emergency announcement at Onagawa power station.

If that's not enough then the Shinmoedake volcano in southern Japan has "resumed eruptions of ash and rocks."

When is this going to end!
 
Tired Tyres
When is this going to end!
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It will not end until the fat lady sings.
In this case, that means another aftershock of greater than 7.0, expected within 3 days.

But seriously, the Earth is geologically active at all times - some more so than others.
 
Tired Tyres
A total of three reactors being cooled by sea water at Fukushima and a new emergency announcement at Onagawa power station.

If that's not enough then the Shinmoedake volcano in southern Japan has "resumed eruptions of ash and rocks."

When is this going to end!
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Well, that volcano has been erupting off and on for a long while, now. It's where all those awesome volcano pics were taken... http://totallycoolpix.com/2011/01/the-shinmoedake-volcanic-eruption/

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Dominator
Can somebody explain me what is that in pic pls? :crazy::nervous:
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What you are seeing is lightning coming not from the skies but from the ground. Glows, discharges and balls of light have often been associated with earthquakes as well as volcanoes.

There is definitely an unappreciated electrical aspect to earthquakes and volcanoes. Ask me more.
 
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1606: A pump within the cooling system of one of the reactors at the Tokai nuclear power plant has stopped working, according to the Kyodo news agency. The plant is located in the Naka district of the central prefecture of Ibaraki, and is operated by the Japan Atomic Power Company.

Not another one.
 
Dotini
What you are seeing is lightning coming not from the skies but from the ground. Glows, discharges and balls of light have often been associated with earthquakes as well as volcanoes.

There is definitely an unappreciated electrical aspect to earthquakes and volcanoes. Ask me more.
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I'm do not fully understand the currently accepted scientific explanation, but it would appear that electrical storms occur surprisingly frequently during volcanic eruptions. It wouldn't appear to be coincidental.

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Back to the topic at hand, its very worrying to see another cooling leak at a different location, so far a lot of the earthquakes damage has been overshadowed by the relative destruction of the Tsunami, but it looks like earthquake itself has done serious damage to Japan's energy infrastructure, and with some potentially very serious consequences. This surely has to be the largest national crisis in Japan since word war II?
 
Dotini
What you are seeing is lightning coming not from the skies but from the ground. Glows, discharges and balls of light have often been associated with earthquakes as well as volcanoes.

There is definitely an unappreciated electrical aspect to earthquakes and volcanoes. Ask me more.
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IIRC lightning typically originates from the ground, not the clouds.
 
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Stevisiov
Back to the topic at hand, its very worrying to see another cooling leak at a different location, so far a lot of the earthquakes damage has been overshadowed by the relative destruction of the Tsunami, but it looks like earthquake itself has done serious damage to Japan's energy infrastructure, and with some potentially very serious consequences. This surely has to be the largest national crisis in Japan since word war II?
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Yes, the Prime Minister has declared the situation to be the gravest since WWII.

The nation of Japan has about 50 reactors delivering about 30% of the nation's energy, which was scheduled to rise to 40% in 6 years.

Their deficit as a percentage of GDP is among the world's worst. In other words, they don't have the money to rebuild.
 
Thanks for the links, the destruction is immense, I hope I will never have to see something like this again. Horrible.

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1702: The Japan Atomic Power Company has said the cooling system of a reactor at its Tokai nuclear power plant is working, although two of the three diesel power generators used for cooling are out of order, the Reuters news agency reports. The plant, about 120km (75 miles) north of Tokyo in Ibaraki prefecture, was automatically shut down after Friday's earthquake.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
 
G.T.Ace
This is correct sir!
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I thought the most common is cloud to cloud, then next most common is cloud to ground, then 3rd most common is ground to cloud, but that ground to cloud is still more common than people think..

Lightning in volcano plumes happens for similar reasons that helicopter rescue mission cables often carry a charge and shock the rescuer and victims.. it's a static type charge running along the line, same (similar to) volcanic plume but on a much larger scale..
 
G.T.Ace
This is correct sir!
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No, not really.

It starts in the sky. Lightning begins to head for the ground. Before it reaches the ground, an opposite charged 'feeler' lightning bolt makes contact with the 'leader' lightning bolt that originates from the sky. Therefore, lightning from the sky never hits the ground.
 
I've been shown a screencap of about 50 American status updates claiming the Tsunami is revenge for Pearl Harbor., how they deserve it. No trolls.

Amazing.
 
Solid Lifters
No, not really.

It starts in the sky. Lightning begins to head for the ground. Before it reaches the ground, an opposite charged 'feeler' lightning bolt makes contact with the 'leader' lightning bolt that originates from the sky. Therefore, lightning from the sky never hits the ground.
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While this is true, I've learned that the bigger part of the lightnings you can see comes from the ground. Quite off-topic anyway.


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1742: Meanwhile, offers of help to the Japanese government have been pouring in from across the world. Even the poor southern Afghan city of Kandahar is chipping in - its mayor has said it is donating $50,000 to the "brothers and sisters" of Japan. "I know $50,000 is not a lot of money for a country like Japan, but it is a show of appreciation from the Kandahar people," Ghulam Haidar Hamidi told the Reuters news agency.
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That's cool!
 
Solid Lifters
No, not really.

It starts in the sky. Lightning begins to head for the ground. Before it reaches the ground, an opposite charged 'feeler' lightning bolt makes contact with the 'leader' lightning bolt that originates from the sky. Therefore, lightning from the sky never hits the ground.
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I was discounting the feelers as there actually is "ground to cloud" lightning, I saw it with my own eyes on a science channel (or one of those) documentary where they showed lightning at something like 30,000 frames per second. Feelers set aside, there are still all those types of lightning- and then there's the ribbon and ball lightning.. Oh, and the sprites and whatnot miles above the atmosphere in space, interesting stuff.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&...v&sa=X&ei=lgR9TZKtDJGJrQHb6qnMCw&ved=0CCoQsAQ

http://www.google.com/images?um=1&h...loud+lightning&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
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oops, yeah I guess this is an offtopic tangent...
 
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1742: Meanwhile, offers of help to the Japanese government have been pouring in from across the world. Even the poor southern Afghan city of Kandahar is chipping in - its mayor has said it is donating $50,000 to the "brothers and sisters" of Japan. "I know $50,000 is not a lot of money for a country like Japan, but it is a show of appreciation from the Kandahar people," Ghulam Haidar Hamidi told the Reuters news agency.
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This is really great to see. 👍
 
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1925: The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) has said it does not foresee harmful levels of radiation reaching the US from the damaged Japanese nuclear power plants. "All the available information indicates weather conditions have taken the small releases from the Fukushima reactors out to sea away from the population," a statement said. "Given the thousands of miles between the two countries, Hawaii, Alaska, the US Territories and the US West Coast are not expected to experience any harmful levels of radioactivity."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12728060 Pictures from people in Japan.
 
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Alex.
I've been shown a screencap of about 50 American status updates claiming the Tsunami is revenge for Pearl Harbor., how they deserve it. No trolls.

Amazing.
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The world has no shortage of morons, that's for sure. If only we could harness their hot air to generate power, we'd be set for life.
 

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