Manual override?

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analog
That's just plain ignorant jibberish of the worst kind, I know someone who in fact coincidentally has a bad knee, his left one, making it hard for him to operate a clutch, so he switched to an auto when before it he always drove manual and his driving hasn't become worse.

I also have a disabled family member who's wheelchair-bound and only learned to drive with an (adapted) automatic as she can't operate the throttle and brake with her right hand like she does (try that for a prolonged time whilst steering simultaneously too) and change gears manually obviously, are you saying she shouldn't be on the road in the first place? Even when she's a lot better at driving than many able drivers using a different set of skills?
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I stand by my statement. If someone doesn't have use of both legs, for any type of tranny, they shouldn't be on the road.

What if they had to slam on the brakes, one foot can handle that?
What if someone with knee problems, had it act up on the road?

I don't have anything against persons with disabilities, but can you honestly say that everyone can do anything, the same? Disabled or not, driving should require two feet.

Also, going from stick to auto, you have a greater sense of your car, that's a different story as compared to someone who has driven auto their whole life.

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I stand by my statement. If someone doesn't have use of both legs, for any type of tranny, they shouldn't be on the road.

What if they had to slam on the brakes, one foot can handle that?
What if someone with knee problems, had it act up on the road?

I don't have anything against persons with disabilities, but can you honestly say that everyone can do anything, the same? Disabled or not, driving should require two feet.

Also, going from stick to auto, you have a greater sense of your car, that's a different story as compared to someone who has driven auto their whole life.

Done!
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Your opinion is valid doesnt make it true.
 
thelvynau
Your opinion is valid doesnt make it true.
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That's exactly what that is, my opinion! In the beginning I stated fact, but as I didn't provide references, I had to re-word everything. Also, for what it's worth, I never said "all"!

Just to set people straight, I drove auto most of my life, maybe 10 years. I drive stick now, as of '08, and I can honestly say my driving has vastly improved after the transition. I'm now, way more aware and observant of things.
 
I dont see how reasearch from one corner of the globe confirms it.

But whatever im moving on from this agree to disagree.
 
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I stand by my statement. If someone doesn't have use of both legs, for any type of tranny, they shouldn't be on the road.

What if they had to slam on the brakes, one foot can handle that?
What if someone with knee problems, had it act up on the road?

I don't have anything against persons with disabilities, but can you honestly say that everyone can do anything, the same? Disabled or not, driving should require two feet.

Also, going from stick to auto, you have a greater sense of your car, that's a different story as compared to someone who has driven auto their whole life.

Done!
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Yes, they can do anything but obviously not the same way, you'd be surprised about other skills they learn to compensate their inability and do stuff you won't be able to in a car (as you strictly don't need the use of legs to drive a car, it's just that regular cars are designed that way, there's all sorts of ways imaginable to control a vehicle, even for the able), you obviously can't imagine or haven't witnessed that and keep stating your narrowminded views or opinions based on what?
Prejudice? Lazy Assumption? Or just plain ignorance (which seems the most likely)?

And done? What's done? You're free to state your opinion but you can't expect it won't be responded to on a forum but I have to agree that using your legs can be helpful in some cases.

 
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trackripper123
What do people think?
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Use manual....practice in a F1 car or something that fires through the gears quickly if you want to jump in at the deep end and hopefully get the hang of it quicker than driving something with less gears and a more forgiving torque curve.
 
analog
Yes, they can do anything but obviously not the same way, you'd be surprised about other skills they learn to compensate their inability and do stuff you won't be able to in a car (as you strictly don't need the use of legs to drive a car, it's just that regular cars are designed that way, there's all sorts of ways imaginable to control a vehicle, even for the able), you obviously can't imagine or haven't witnessed that and keep stating your narrowminded views or opinions based on what?
Prejudice? Lazy Assumption? Or just plain ignorance (which seems the most likely)?

And done? What's done? You're free to state your opinion but you can't expect it won't be responded to on a forum but I have to agree that using your legs can be helpful in some cases.

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Now you guys are just taking this topic to a whole other level. We're not here to debate if disabled persons should drive or not, you guys brought that topic up, not me (more specifically 'thelvynau')!

By the way, I'm narrow minded? But you can't see any reasoning behind what I'm implying, who's narrow minded? My whole debate was on safety on the road, not rather or not one has/doesn't have the capabilities to drive (again, that's what you guys brought up)!

Oh and buddy, calling me things like ignorant, narrow minded, prejudice; is not the way to go. You don't know me to make those extreme assumptions, you only have a few posts to go by. If you only go by the surface of what people say to judge them, you are the one who is prejudice and ignorant.

As a side note, my cousin is missing a arm, from the elbow down, and he still drives. He doesn't much aides except an extension as an arm (not a fully prosthetic arm with a hand) , not stationary though (removable). I tell him all the time, why the heck are you driving? You are putting yourself and others at risk, he doesn't care. What happens, this guy hits a pedestrian because his "extension" came loose and he lost the ability to turn the steering wheel. After this happened, I hated the fact that people like this is allowed to drive, there is too much at risk.
 
So just because one driver you happen to know causes an accident due to his prosthetic coming loose (you might better ask why it came loose in the first place) makes you come to the conclusion that all disabled drivers are inherently dangerous?
Like able persons don't make stupid mistakes all the time, that's what I meant with being narrowminded, and you're right that I don't see any reasoning behind your statement as there is none, you just take one example and apply it on all cases, it's patronizing and insulting.

On a sidenote, have you ever considered that disabled people rely far more on independant transport and the freedom it provides them (public transport often can't even be accessed so it becomes a necessity) so they might more often than able drivers not risk doing really stupid things on the road?
 
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My uncle has this in his 2010 Challenger R/T IRL, so I can't understand why it's not in GT5.
 
analog
So just because one driver you happen to know causes an accident due to his prosthetic coming loose (you might better ask why it came loose in the first place) makes you come to the conclusion that all disabled drivers are inherently dangerous?
Like able persons don't make stupid mistakes all the time, that's what I meant with being narrowminded, and you're right that I don't see any reasoning behind your statement as there is none, you just take one example and apply it on all cases, it's patronizing and insulting.

On a sidenote, have you ever considered that disabled people rely far more on independant transport and the freedom it provides them (public transport often can't even be accessed so it becomes a necessity) so they might more often than able drivers not risk doing really stupid things on the road?
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This has gotten side tracked far enough, let everyone get back onto topic.

You want auto, drive auto, you want to switch gears, use manual!
 
Slashfan
My uncle has this in his 2010 Challenger R/T IRL, so I can't understand why it's not in GT5.
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A lot of cars have this IRL, my dad's Merc S-Class for a start, then just about every high end sports/supercar out there has an auto function and a semi-auto fuction.
 
trackripper123
A lot of cars have this IRL, my dad's Merc S-Class for a start, then just about every high end sports/supercar out there has an auto function and a semi-auto fuction.
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A lot of normal cars too, my brothers Nissan Maxima 05 has it, I went with stick (same car).
 
Bluntified
I stand by my statement. If someone doesn't have use of both legs, for any type of tranny, they shouldn't be on the road.

What if they had to slam on the brakes, one foot can handle that?
What if someone with knee problems, had it act up on the road?

I don't have anything against persons with disabilities, but can you honestly say that everyone can do anything, the same? Disabled or not, driving should require two feet.

Also, going from stick to auto, you have a greater sense of your car, that's a different story as compared to someone who has driven auto their whole life.

Done!
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Zanardi is a double amputee and I can bet he would thump most of us "normal" bodied people in a touring car.

Side note, who uses 2 feet to brake? Sounds like some bad driving habits to me!
 
As I've said before, I think this should be included as it is a commonly requested as well as true-to-life feature.

But what I can't understand is this: If you are already thinking about how your car is shifting gears enough to want to have control over it not doing the wrong thing when you don't want it to... what's the difference between a "controlled automatic" and just driving manual (besides a week's practice)?
 
Morgoth_666
As I've said before, I think this should be included as it is a commonly requested as well as true-to-life feature.

But what I can't understand is this: If you are already thinking about how your car is shifting gears enough to want to have control over it not doing the wrong thing when you don't want it to... what's the difference between a "controlled automatic" and just driving manual (besides a week's practice)?
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Because for me, 99% of the time, the auto 'box is perfectly adequate and I can get times on par with manual drivers, but for certain corners, like that long loop on Cape Ring, it sometimes just shifts up too high a gear, or stays in too low a gear, etc.

Why change to manual when the auto 'box is fine most of the time?
 
Morgoth_666
What's the difference between a "controlled automatic" and just driving manual (besides a week's practice)?
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IRL: clutch feel/feedback. As I use a DFGT without a clutch I can't speak for it in-game. But the feedback from a real transmission/shift-knob and clutch make the experience vastly different than in-game. Whether it be a DFGT or DS3.

In-game it would help people like myself. I never used it in GT4 (that I remember) but when I used a DS3 my wrists and fingers usually couldn't handle shifting, my arthritis makes it painful. But to be able do it for those rare times you do want the control it would be nice to have.
 
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