Manual override?

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trackripper123
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Honestly, can we stop with this "just use manual" talk, the topic isn't about "Getting used to/switching to manual", it's about a semi-auto box function, where the auto box does most of the work but allows you control of gears when necessary. I don't have enough time on GT5 to make learning manual worthwhile, that's why I hope for this feature. :)
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Honestly, it won't take you long to learn how to drive manual on GT5, especially if you're using a controller. You have no clutch pedal to worry about, just two buttons and a rev meter. It's really not worth PD's time to implement this. I'm not trying to be rude or confrontational, just logical. If you're interested in cars and driving enough to get into GT5, then you really should learn how to drive manual.

In the time it took you to type out all these posts you would probably have manual mode down.
 
Peasantslayer
I think that unless you really know what you are doing that you can go just as fast with an auto, I end up taking the wrong lines and braking at the wrong time when I'm using a manual.
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Exactly my issue, I tried again today with manual, cornering was all over the place, spent most of the time off-road actually.

Want this override function NAO! :lol:
 
Coryd
Honestly, it won't take you long to learn how to drive manual on GT5, especially if you're using a controller. You have no clutch pedal to worry about, just two buttons and a rev meter. It's really not worth PD's time to implement this.
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I used a DS3 for years. Could never get the hang of manual shifting with the controller. I learned to drive a stick long before I had my liscense (you don't need it on private property). Trying to gas and break with one thumb, steer with the other and shift with my index fingers was just too much to "funnel" through my wrists. When I got my DFGT I was manual shifting within minutes. Feet, hands, fingers; much easier than finger, finger, finger.

I have no idea why you think it should be easier on a DS3 rather than a wheel. Sdrawkcab ssa.
 
thelvynau
Hard to believe a persons ability is judged by a transmission .
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No mean to be rude or offensive, but of all the people I know of in real life who can ONLY drive autos are not very bright driver, they tend to be rough with car and most of them often involved in slow speed accidents, parking mishaps etc.

To the OP :
Best to practice and keep practice, real life driving do help a lot for games. Another suggestion, try to memorize the entry speed of each corner of a track, match the speed with the gear used, use the same car on that track, drive slowly at first, get used to the shifting, don't mind the driving line or braking is off, keep the pace until it's like a spontaneous action, change to another car with different gearing, same track, same pace, keep practicing, in time you can up the pace, drive faster and shift faster/better.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
No mean to be rude or offensive, but of all the people I know of in real life who can ONLY drive autos are not very bright driver, they tend to be rough with car and most of them often involved in slow speed accidents, parking mishaps etc.

To the OP :
Best to practice and keep practice, real life driving do help a lot for games. Another suggestion, try to memorize the entry speed of each corner of a track, match the speed with the gear used, use the same car on that track, drive slowly at first, get used to the shifting, don't mind the driving line or braking is off, keep the pace until it's like a spontaneous action, change to another car with different gearing, same track, same pace, keep practicing, in time you can up the pace, drive faster and shift faster/better.
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Thats all the people you know thats not enough to say all auto drivers arent good drivers.
 
Good driver is a very general term, it could be anything, good at parking, good at abiding the road laws, good with handling FF low power cars or high power FR, good at driving smoothly, no jerking, sudden braking, being courteous to others, so many variables.
I did say of all the people that I know who only drive auto are not very bright, meaning they have difficulty adapting to other cars with different sizes, power and drivetrain. They also prone to make those odd mistakes like hitting the kerb when parking, scrape their bumper or doors when maneuvering around tight spaces, but mostly are due to being rough with the gas and brake.

I am not saying all auto drivers are bad, whats bad for me is when they drive like a maniac bat out of hell, disregarding others safety, crashing into things, parking like ping pong ball, usually I can tell when they just have a new car, how long did it take until the bumpers or body got damaged due to bad parking or slow speed collision due to tight spaces ? the longer, the better they are.
 
Nobody said that all auto drivers aren't good my good sir.
On topic, I don't mind adding this feature if it doesn't take time to be implemented.
 
Fact: statistics have proven (back in the late 80') that drivers who learn to drive with a manual tranny are less likely to be involved in accidents and the accidents they are involved in are less catastrophic.

IMHO, this is because they understand more correctly what is happening with the vehicle and are used to having more control, rather than giving that control to the car.

Same thing with ABS. If you can find a car without ABS it will teach you better breaking control.

This control does not translate to a DS3. Or even a DFGT without the clutch. My MR2 handles alot like the MR2 in GT5, but clutchless manual shifting looses almost 1/4 the control the driver has.
 
Ronald6
Fact: statistics have proven (back in the late 80') that drivers who learn to drive with a manual tranny are less likely to be involved in accidents and the accidents they are involved in are less catastrophic.

IMHO, this is because they understand more correctly what is happening with the vehicle and are used to having more control, rather than giving that control to the car.

Same thing with ABS. If you can find a car without ABS it will teach you better breaking control.

This control does not translate to a DS3. Or even a DFGT without the clutch. My MR2 handles alot like the MR2 in GT5, but clutchless manual shifting looses almost 1/4 the control the driver has.
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+1 My last post was directed to thelvynau .
 
The people you know maybe but i have seen alot of manual and auto users drive like idiots its more the individual not the transmission.
 
Perhaps both?

IMHO, an intelligent person will use the education (and opportunities) he is given to better himself to a higher degree than an unintelligent person. Or to quote Forest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does."

But...

An intelligent person will also seek out ways to better himself more often than an unintelligent person. So therefore he will probably be more likely to learn how to manual shift. So therefore manual shifters tend to be more intelligent.

"Logic: the process of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. "
 
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thelvynau
Hard to believe a persons ability is judged by a transmission .
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Well, I hate to break it to you but last year, some guys here in Canada did some research to find out where the "worst drivers are" and "who are the safest". Guess what, Canada was 4th in worst, due to automatic primarily driven, it promotes laziness, they said in the findings. Europe was in top rankings for safety with manual being primarily driven.

Driving standard requires you to be at a higher level of alertness, not only for others around but for your car (let's just say, it's not pretty I you mess up a gear change). Auto on the other hand, the only thing, besides others, that you need to worry about is your speedometre (even then most people don't use it).

Edit, Rankings might not be 100% accurate due to testing done last year.
 
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Bluntified
Well, I hate to break it to you but last year, some guys here in Canada did some research to find out where the "worst drivers are" and "who are the safest". Guess what, Canada was 4th in worst, due to automatic primarily driven, it promotes laziness, they said in the findings. Europe was in top rankings for safety with manual being primarily driven.

Driving standard requires you to be at a higher level of alertness, not only for others around but for your car (let's just say, it's not pretty I you mess up a gear change). Auto on the other hand, the only thing, besides others, that you need to worry about is your speedometre (even then most people don't use it).
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Again thats down to people being lazy and not paying attention not because of the transmission.
 
The fins rock for safety, and are the most educated drivers from a young age (so I've heard). Hence the phrase: Finish Education. I wonder how many of them drive manuals?
 
So basically all auto drivers are uneducated, cant handle a car and basically lazy?

what if someone has trouble using a clutch due to a bad knee but can drive a auto because the other leg can still use the break and accelerator pedal? Does this mean they will be a bad driver? No it doesnt any driver no matter what the transmission can be lazy, uneducated or drive like a idiot.
 
thelvynau
Again thats down to people being lazy and not paying attention not because of the transmission.
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You're missing the point, it does come down to transmission. I'll make it simpler for you.

Standard=More alert, less lazy
Auto=Simpler, more lazy

You're telling me that some one that doesn't have as much work to do, has the same level of alertness then someone that is constant in motion? I don't think so, some one with less work is easily distracted by other things.

My whole thing is about alertness, not education.

Edit1, Some one can have all the education on driving in the world but it doesn't make them a good driver, they are just good at tests, it has little to do with driving rather than knowing road signs.

Edit2, Please note, I'm not saying all automatic drivers are lazy, just a majority of them.

Edit3, If someone has a "bad knee" I personally feel that they shouldn't be driving, that's just one more person on the road that is per-occupied. Now you're just spitting hairs.
 
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thelvynau
So basically all auto drivers are uneducated, cant handle a car and basically lazy?
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Reductum ad absurdum.
 
Believe it or not, auto car is more likely to promote laziness and carelessness, the car only needs gas and brake, being ONLY able to drive auto usually means :

1. the person doesn't want to invest energy and time to learn manual
2. the person doesn't have a manual car
3. the person just being lazy and prefer the easy way
4. the person like to drive with ease and sees the car only as a commuter from point A to B.
5. the person just want to get the license and be done with it

So many other reasons, but those that I could think of, most people who are willing to drive or at least learn to drive manual have certain degree of interest in automotive. Bad drivers are from all ages, background, manual/autos, genders, but some are more prominent than others.
 
Bluntified
You're missing the point, it does come down to transmission. I'll make it simpler for you.

Standard=More alert, less lazy
Auto=Simpler, more lazy

You're telling me that some one that doesn't have as much work to do, has the same level of alertness then someone that is constant in motion? I don't think so, some one with less work is easily distracted by other things.

Edit, Please note, I'm not saying all automatic drivers are lazy, just a majority of them.
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Alertness is down to the individual how much they pay attention doesnt depend on a mechanical device.

You could also say that someone concentrating on the gears would miss some of whats happening around them.

So the argument could go either way with a auto promoting laziness and people not paying attention or someone with a manual could be concentrating on the gears and not be fully paying attention to whats around them thats why its put down to the individual and how they handle it all not the mechanical device.
 
thelvynau
You could also say that someone concentrating on the gears would miss some of whats happening around them.
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Only while the driver is learning to manual shift. After it's learned, you don't think about it. And the times you do, the trade off is still biased toward control.

Do you have to think about breaking in normal rl driving? If you do, please, do not drive around me. Or my family.
 
I would agree some who drive autos are lazy but again its the individual not the hardware.

But you cant assume just because they drive a auto they will be a bad driver.
 
thelvynau
I would agree some who drive autos are lazy but again its the individual not the hardware.

But you cant assume just because they drive a auto they will be a bad driver.
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You just contradicted yourself, you said, "....some who drive autos are lazy....its the individual not the hardware". If it wasn't the hardware, why would you mention their transmission? I feel this debate is going no where...

Edit, I'm not assuming anything, this was part of that research/test that I mentioned earlier. I'm looking for the article now.

Ronald6
Only while the driver is learning to manual shift. After it's learned, you don't think about it. And the times you do, the trade off is still biased toward control.

Do you have to think about breaking in normal rl driving? If you do, please, do not drive around me. Or my family.
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You said it right there man, well said.
 
Bluntified
You just contradicted yourself, you said, "....some who drive autos are lazy....its the individual not the hardware". If it wasn't the hardware, why would you mention their transmission? I feel this debate is going no where...

Edit, I'm not assuming anything, this was part of that research/test that I mentioned earlier. I'm looking for the article now.

You said it right there man, well said.
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Im not contradicting myself am i not allowed to change my stance a little based on what your saying?

im agreeing now yes people can be lazy in a auto but my original point stands its the driver and not the hardware that is at fault for it.

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As for the research this is based on a small percentage of the world and your taking it as gospel do you believe all reasearch is unbiased?
 
thelvynau
Im not contradicting myself am i not allowed to change my stance a little based on what your saying?

im agreeing now yes people can be lazy in a auto but my original point stands its the driver and not the hardware that is at fault for it.

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As for the research this is based on a small percentage of the world and your taking it as gospel do you believe all reasearch is unbiased?
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Fair enough, as for the rest we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
Bluntified
You're missing the point, it does come down to transmission. I'll make it simpler for you.

Standard=More alert, less lazy
Auto=Simpler, more lazy

You're telling me that some one that doesn't have as much work to do, has the same level of alertness then someone that is constant in motion? I don't think so, some one with less work is easily distracted by other things.

My whole thing is about alertness, not education.

Edit1, Some one can have all the education on driving in the world but it doesn't make them a good driver, they are just good at tests, it has little to do with driving rather than knowing road signs.

Edit2, Please note, I'm not saying all automatic drivers are lazy, just a majority of them.

Edit3, If someone has a "bad knee" I personally feel that they shouldn't be driving, that's just one more person on the road that is per-occupied. Now you're just spitting hairs.
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Someone with less work can easily focus on other things.
 
g0ld
Someone with less work can easily focus on other things.
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Like talking on the mobile phone, doing make up, chatting with the passenger, relaxing by looking at the scenery from the side window, fiddling with the car stereo, texting and checking for social updates on the phone, all of these are less likely to be done with manual cars, where the driver is mostly occupied with changing gears and steering the car.
 
g0ld
Someone with less work can easily focus on other things.
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Get a chauffeur. That way you can continue to work and never have to bother with driving. If you can't take the time to learn to drive safely, don't drive. Not around me, not around my family.

My average trip (I live in the country) is half an hour. How much time do you spend driving a day? Enough to make driving safely a priority?
 
Meh im agreeing to disagree its nothing to get worked up about.
 
Bluntified
Edit3, If someone has a "bad knee" I personally feel that they shouldn't be driving, that's just one more person on the road that is per-occupied. Now you're just spitting hairs.
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That's just plain ignorant jibberish of the worst kind, I know someone who in fact coincidentally has a bad knee, his left one, making it hard for him to operate a clutch, so he switched to an auto when before it he always drove manual and his driving hasn't become worse.

I also have a disabled family member who's wheelchair-bound and only learned to drive with an (adapted) automatic as she can't operate the throttle and brake with her right hand like she does (try that for a prolonged time whilst steering simultaneously too) and change gears manually obviously, are you saying she shouldn't be on the road in the first place? Even when she's a lot better at driving than many able drivers using a different set of skills?
 
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What was the original topic of this thread again? Ah yes, manual override...
 
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