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So I play the game on a joypad and I use Auto gears, I always thought that the top speeds and accelerations would be identical irrespective of what transmission you use, how little did I know.
playing the daily race c at Le Mans in an auto car was not a big issue as the top speed of my car was faster than the 919 everyone was using so I could lose a little at the front knowing I’d be much quicker down the back of the straights. In some of the races I noticed the 919 was not losing speed and I couldn’t catch or pass before the braking zones - manual gears the drivers said in the post race lobby, so I did some testing down the Le Man straight.
using the Mazda LM55, down the straight it reached a top speed of 198 occasionally popping to 199 but it never hit its 8th gear for whatever reason. Switch to manual and the acceleration to its top speed was 3 seconds quicker than the autos was to its top speed, and the top speed you ask - 198 for the auto vs 207 for the Manual. 207 reached in its 8th gear - the gear the auto wouldn’t pull.
I tried a few other cars and the average was a higher top speed of the manual to the auto of 6 mph and the same 3 seconds faster acceleration - Take into account how useless I am with a manual box so a decent player probably quicker accelerating
now there is a link to BOP here - auto cars use a generic set of ratios for the auto gears across all the cars whereas the manual cars have a generic set of ratios but specific to each car.
in the current daily race c at Daytona the manual cars are getting massive advantages in terms of engine braking and acceleration, top speed is less of an issue here but the auto cars are generally having to accelerate from corners in gear higher than the optimum, take the final turn before you start the run back to the start finish - a 2nd gear corner, the manual cars hit 2nd well in advance of the turn so can shoot out of the gear with max acceleration- the autos if you brake to the right speed are in 3rd gear - braking to 2nd slows the car way way too much and gives the cars behind too much advantage to defend on the run down to the chicane. as an average in that one corner an auto equipped car loses half a second to the manual cars, he manual cars because of the engine braking can also brake much later than the autos
ive posted here before that I believe the game has unfairness at its heart - it’s designed around as said, wheels and manual cars, some will say so learn to race with manual gears, to which I would reply I don’t want to And why should I have to - all I ask is for fair play all around.
Polyphony won’t change anything I Know but.. they have designed the autos to be slower race cars than the same car with a manual transmission. But if they did.. one thing I would ask them to put back in GT7 would be the option from GT Sport that allowed the players with Auto boxes to downshift the gears - this worked, certainly for me - back in the day I used to win 1 in 4 daily races I took part in - in GT7 the gap be it ability or performance means I get the odd win but too often it feels the inbuilt performance of the manual cars delivers too much of an advantage to me to be fair and with 2 equal drivers the manual car should win every time as it’s performance is stronger.
is it it unreasonable to ask for equal performance PD?
playing the daily race c at Le Mans in an auto car was not a big issue as the top speed of my car was faster than the 919 everyone was using so I could lose a little at the front knowing I’d be much quicker down the back of the straights. In some of the races I noticed the 919 was not losing speed and I couldn’t catch or pass before the braking zones - manual gears the drivers said in the post race lobby, so I did some testing down the Le Man straight.
using the Mazda LM55, down the straight it reached a top speed of 198 occasionally popping to 199 but it never hit its 8th gear for whatever reason. Switch to manual and the acceleration to its top speed was 3 seconds quicker than the autos was to its top speed, and the top speed you ask - 198 for the auto vs 207 for the Manual. 207 reached in its 8th gear - the gear the auto wouldn’t pull.
I tried a few other cars and the average was a higher top speed of the manual to the auto of 6 mph and the same 3 seconds faster acceleration - Take into account how useless I am with a manual box so a decent player probably quicker accelerating
now there is a link to BOP here - auto cars use a generic set of ratios for the auto gears across all the cars whereas the manual cars have a generic set of ratios but specific to each car.
in the current daily race c at Daytona the manual cars are getting massive advantages in terms of engine braking and acceleration, top speed is less of an issue here but the auto cars are generally having to accelerate from corners in gear higher than the optimum, take the final turn before you start the run back to the start finish - a 2nd gear corner, the manual cars hit 2nd well in advance of the turn so can shoot out of the gear with max acceleration- the autos if you brake to the right speed are in 3rd gear - braking to 2nd slows the car way way too much and gives the cars behind too much advantage to defend on the run down to the chicane. as an average in that one corner an auto equipped car loses half a second to the manual cars, he manual cars because of the engine braking can also brake much later than the autos
ive posted here before that I believe the game has unfairness at its heart - it’s designed around as said, wheels and manual cars, some will say so learn to race with manual gears, to which I would reply I don’t want to And why should I have to - all I ask is for fair play all around.
Polyphony won’t change anything I Know but.. they have designed the autos to be slower race cars than the same car with a manual transmission. But if they did.. one thing I would ask them to put back in GT7 would be the option from GT Sport that allowed the players with Auto boxes to downshift the gears - this worked, certainly for me - back in the day I used to win 1 in 4 daily races I took part in - in GT7 the gap be it ability or performance means I get the odd win but too often it feels the inbuilt performance of the manual cars delivers too much of an advantage to me to be fair and with 2 equal drivers the manual car should win every time as it’s performance is stronger.
is it it unreasonable to ask for equal performance PD?