Mazda 6, Yah Or Nah?

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Raghavan
But the Legacy has fulltime AWD, wheareas the Mazda is FWD until the rear wheels are engaged when the fronts lose traction.

Aah... The beauty of AWD.
And why is this a problem? The Mazda's system is much better for normal driving conditions since FWD offers better fuel economy, while still offering the added grip of AWD, but only when it is needed.
 
eliseracer
I'll just say this:

Don't buy any car because you liked it in a video game.

Go out and drive the rest of the cars in that segment, you'll save hundreds and find a better suited car.


Don't insult me, of course it's not the only reason that I want this car. I'm looking at features such as a GPS navigation unit (most cars have these now as an option). I also like how the trunk opens and because of the 60/40 seats. I also went to a Volkswagen dealer and now I'm strongly considering a Jetta.
 
If you do get a MS6, pay the extra $2K and buy the GT model. It's incredbly fun to drive and looks sexy in black.

Here's Car And Driver's review of it.
Competitors: Acura TSX (3rd), Honda Accord EX V-6 (2nd), Pontiac G6 GTP (5th), Volkswagen Jetta GLI (1st), and the Mazdaspeed 6 in 4th.

Car and Driver
~If you've peeked at the charts, you already know that Mazda's pumped-up 6 sedan was our performance champ, no contest. It whooshed to 60 mph in 5.4 seconds, a half-second quicker than the Accord, and covered the quarter-mile in 14 seconds flat. It was the skidpad champ, pulling 0.87 g, thanks to a set of sticky Bridgestone Potenzas (RE050A, 215/45) on 7.0-by-18-inch aluminum alloy wheels. That combination, plus big brake rotors that reduced fade, added up to an outstanding stopping distance from 70 mph-155 feet, just a foot more than the best-in-test performance of the Jetta. That's sportscar braking, and a wondeful asset to have when charting a stretch of back road.
~When we speak of back roads, we speak of this car's prime venue. The Mazda's combination of power, brakes, grip, limited body roll, on-demand all-wheel drive, and quick steering (2.6 turns lock-to-lock) made it great fun on our loop, a back-road bandito. Beyond that, the Mazda's turbocharged and intercooled 2.3-liter four was also a helpful traveling companion on freeways, with instant spool-up that delivered big lane-change power, even in sixth gear.
~The downside to the Mazdaspeed package is a shortage of refinement. Consider feature content, for openers. Although the Mazda's as-tested price was third highest, it was the only ride without a sunroof, the onlyone lacking leather upholstery, and one of the two lacking power adjustability of the front seats. Yes, yes, how we do suffer. But when it comes to luxury features for a given price, more is better.
~The Mazda's rather severe interior trim also drew flack, particularly the hard, shiny, plastic of the center console, center stack, dash, and doors. And if the styling troops have done a decent job of integrating the car's raised hoodline, required to accommodate the turbo's intercooler, they were defeated by the challenge of the enlarged grille opening that yawns in the lower front fascia. The bigger opening was needed to get more cool air in there, but it doesn't harmonize well with the other elements of the front-end design.
~We recorded complaints of the Mazda's stiffer-than-most ride quality and road noise, although most were willing to accept that trade-off in favor of the car's quick handling responses. But the other element that goes with this high-performance package - engine noise - was hard for our test crew to accept. The turbo four was serene at idle, but in freeway cruise mode, the Mazda's interior noise levels were highest of the pack. The Jetta generated louder readings at wide-open throttle, but there was a raspy, industrial quality to the Mazda's exhaust note at full cry that grated on all who heard it.
~"Like the Hoover that ate Godzilla," observed one tester. The bottom line: The Mazdaspeed guys nailed the sports part of the deal, but this car needs a little time at charm school.
 
Pink_the_Floyd
Nah,


Mazda uses Ford engines and Ford is which "real car fans" know, is crap.

Wow aren't we a closed minded and obviously misinformed person? Yea Ford's engines are really rubbish...tell me what has Norway done for the automotive industry? Buy a lot of those so called "crappy" Ford cars with thier "crappy" Ford engines. The "Ford" engine that's in the Mazda6 is absolutely sweet and smooth. Not to mention the 2.0 and 2.3 4cyl engines aren't so bad either.

"Real car fans" learn to appreciate more than insult. Think about it.
 
Ev0
And why is this a problem? The Mazda's system is much better for normal driving conditions since FWD offers better fuel economy, while still offering the added grip of AWD, but only when it is needed.
Because i want the AWD on all the time. I hate FWD, and i would like the rear wheels to be engaged at all times because why have all that weight carried around if you don't use it?
You can probably make it Full time AWD though.
 
Raghavan
Because i want the AWD on all the time. I hate FWD, and i would like the rear wheels to be engaged at all times because why have all that weight carried around if you don't use it?
You can probably make it Full time AWD though.
I don't know why we keep on insisting the AWD isn't on all the time.

Apparently it is on Jason's. Every time he's launched the car (with me watching), all the wheels spin.
 
Apparently from what I've heard on the mazda forums the thing is AWD all the time. It uses a new torque split AWD system which changes the torque from the front and back to different percentages while being driven. And that it is awd all the time but just changes the torque distribution to mostly front during normal conditions.
 
I think Mazda is doing something similar to the Haladex system found on many Volvos and Volkswagens that move the power to where it needs to go, of course, when it is needed.

But even then, AWD doesnt help that much, IMO... I mean, I deal with snow for half the year here in Michigan, but AWD isnt on my must-have list when it comes to selecting a new car. Sure, it helps, and it would be nice, but it does make your gas mileage suffer and slows the car down.

But I would still say the ultimate AWD sports sedan is still the old Volkswagen Passat W8 4Motion...
 
YSSMAN
But I would still say the ultimate AWD sports sedan is still the old Volkswagen Passat W8 4Motion...

Didn't get good press here in Germany though...
 
JCE3000GT
Wow aren't we a closed minded and obviously misinformed person? Yea Ford's engines are really rubbish...tell me what has Norway done for the automotive industry? Buy a lot of those so called "crappy" Ford cars with thier "crappy" Ford engines. The "Ford" engine that's in the Mazda6 is absolutely sweet and smooth. Not to mention the 2.0 and 2.3 4cyl engines aren't so bad either.

"Real car fans" learn to appreciate more than insult. Think about it.


You're right, I'm sorry.
 
JCE3000GT
Wow aren't we a closed minded and obviously misinformed person? Yea Ford's engines are really rubbish...tell me what has Norway done for the automotive industry? Buy a lot of those so called "crappy" Ford cars with thier "crappy" Ford engines. The "Ford" engine that's in the Mazda6 is absolutely sweet and smooth. Not to mention the 2.0 and 2.3 4cyl engines aren't so bad either.

Actually we're talking about the Mazda engine that's in the Fords. The 1.6, 2.0 and 2.3 in the Mazda 3 and lower end Mazda 6s, the Mazdaspeed 6 and the Miata are a development of Mazda's previous generation 4-cylinders. They're in the new Focus, but AFAIK, the US Focus doesn't get it for another few years. That didn't stop them from making a 2.3 Cosworth iteration for Caterham.

The 3.0 is the "crappy Ford Engine"... but then again, Ford V6s power the Noble.

Ford's small car engines are rough, yes, but there are a lot of engines that are crappier. :lol:
 
Pink_the_Floyd
Not a chance I'm going to.
And so why exactly do you claim that the engine is crap? And what exactly is your beef with Ford? If you weren't so arrogant as to say that the 6 is beneath you and actually drove the thing, you would find that it is one of the best handling and most drivable cars in that price range.
 
niky
Actually we're talking about the Mazda engine that's in the Fords. The 1.6, 2.0 and 2.3 in the Mazda 3 and lower end Mazda 6s, the Mazdaspeed 6 and the Miata are a development of Mazda's previous generation 4-cylinders. They're in the new Focus, but AFAIK, the US Focus doesn't get it for another few years.

I know they are Mazda engines. That's why I used quotes...to signify that I was being fecious to prove a point. 👍 I really wish Ford (UK) would hurry up on the damn model importing. I want that new ST! :grumpy:
 
Pink_the_Floyd
Not a chance I'm going to.
Then there's not a chance you're ever going to force any new knowledge into that closed mind of yours, either.

We liked the 6s we drove last year, and it was a decent value, but once we drove the TSX it was all over for Mazda, even though we had to stretch the budget a bit to get the Acura. The 6s just didn't have the handling feel that the TSX did, even though the TSX was down on power somewhat. And we weren't really thrilled by the interior design of the 6s - too many lurid colors in the controls and instruments. The TSX on the other hand is very crisp and clear.
 
Max_DC
Didn't get good press here in Germany though...

Really? They didnt like the W8? Wow, the American press loved it and they usually called it the best lux-bargain of the last few years. Most of the complaints were about the high price for a VW, but when you are getting 545i performance for a few grand less, you cant complain too much.

Personally, it is the car I would love to have right now. With all the snow we have in Michigan, the AWD would help, and having the W8 option would be nice as well. Too bad they canceled the engine program, would have been nice to see the W8 make it into the new Passats.
 
Duke
Then there's not a chance you're ever going to force any new knowledge into that closed mind of yours, either.

We liked the 6s we drove last year, and it was a decent value, but once we drove the TSX it was all over for Mazda, even though we had to stretch the budget a bit to get the Acura. The 6s just didn't have the handling feel that the TSX did, even though the TSX was down on power somewhat. And we weren't really thrilled by the interior design of the 6s - too many lurid colors in the controls and instruments. The TSX on the other hand is very crisp and clear.

That's one thing I didn't like about the 3's either. The dash looks suitably techno, but I'm not fond of having glaring bright orange and red in my eyes all night.
 
I don't know about the 3, but the 6's dash isn't bad at night. And if it's too bright, you can always turn it down.
 
niky
That's one thing I didn't like about the 3's either. The dash looks suitably techno, but I'm not fond of having glaring bright orange and red in my eyes all night.

Solution: get a Focus hatch. Problem solved. :sly:
 
I've met my friend's friend that said not to get the Mazda. According to him, he said that his friend's engine was burning up and he took it to a repair shop. The repair shop employees told him that he needed a new engine and they don't have the new engine in stock, so they would have to order it from Japan. That was 3 months ago and he's still waiting for the new engine. I'm thinking that since you guys say that the Mazda 6 were good cars and the fact that I've read in magazines that they were good cars, I'm thinking that the person that had a bad engine had bough a defective car.
 
Freedom Gundam
I've met my friend's friend that said not to get the Mazda. According to him, he said that his friend's engine was burning up and he took it to a repair shop. The repair shop employees told him that he needed a new engine and they don't have the new engine in stock, so they would have to order it from Japan. That was 3 months ago and he's still waiting for the new engine. I'm thinking that since you guys say that the Mazda 6 were good cars and the fact that I've read in magazines that they were good cars, I'm thinking that the person that had a bad engine had bough a defective car.

Burning up? Could he be more specific? That is the weirdest mechanical diagnosis I've ever heard.

And one example doesn't make the 6 a bad car... I could bring up the issue of the burning CR-Vs, or locally, Toyota's easy clogging Diesel filters (which of course, lead to a KO'd fuel pump).
 
We almost bought a 2005 Mazda 6i (thats with the 2.3L and the auto) two years ago, and we came away impressed. We were looking to replace my Mom's 1995 Toyota Camry "Special Eddition" (thats with the 2.2L and the auto) as it had been the daily drive for almost ten years, and it was getting a bit worn out.

The 6i felt great on the road, with a comfortable yet sporty ride. Engine power was much better than expected, and with the manual override on the automatic, it added a bit more fun to the family sedan mix.

If I had a complaint, it would have been the seats, and the interior in general. After looking at a Volkswagen Passat GL, Toyota Camry LE, Pontiac G6 GT, Chevrolet Malibu Maxx LS, Nissan Altima 2.5S, and Honda Accord LX, the 6i was just strange. The seats had an attempted sporty feeling to them with a very strange cloth interior. Plastics on the dash were a bit different, but what also bothered me was some of the button/switch placement.

Of the seven:

1) Chevrolet Malibu Maxx LS: It was the underdog favorite, and it did recieve our vote of purchase in the end (although we still havent bought it). The interior plastics are sub par, but everything is extremely easy to use and a lot of functionality is packed in at a reasonable price. The best feature is the sliding rear seats, as it gives me (a 6ft, 170lb male) more than enough room in the back.
2) Volkswagen Passat GL: My personal favorite. Definatley ouclasses the others in style and substance, but it was way too expensive to buy and insure at the time. Although it is still Mom's prefered choise, the price is still too high.
3) Honda Accord LX: Everything seemed to be in the right place, and everything felt great. The I4 was potent and fuel efficent, the ride was good (if slightly crunchy), and interior space was at a comfortable level.
4) Mazda 6i: It was probably the best overall deal (atleast at the time), and offered a good balance of sport and comfort at once. Mom liked the price/options list, as it had the spoiler and alloy wheels included, but it wasent as nice as the others in the end.
5) Camry LE: It was like she had allready driven the car, and it was probably the reason why we didnt want it. Everything was good in the car, but everything was boring too.
6) Pontiac G6 GT: Its kinda the same as the Malibu Maxx LS, but with an attitude. Sure, the price and options were good, but it wasent any better than anything else, and it was completely outclassed by it's competition. It would be better if it was a bit cheaper and packaged better like the Chevrolet sister, but alas, it is not...
7) Nissan Altima 2.5S: Avoid it. It has a great engine/trans combo... But she is thirsty and has a nasty habit of torque steer. It has one of the worst interior designs that I have ever seen with plastics that were of a lower grade than what GM uses... The seats are uncomfortable, the seatbelts are in the wrong spots, and everything is just weird to use. I cant believe my Step Mom bought one (a 2004 2.5S)... They changed the look inside and out (for the good), but it is nowhere near as nice as the others. AVOID IT!
 
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