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so you think a person who works hard to make a living would blow £625,000 on a stupid car instead of buying a house or supporting a family? For most people working hard for 20 years won't even get you half of that money, Even if the guy made £200k a year, which is WAY above the average, he'd never afford or buy one if he was sensible.

Especially because you have countless road legal supras and skylines hitting 8 second 1/4mile times while the mclaren can't even go under 11 seconds. tsk tsk tsk
 
I think a person who has a dream and works towards it will, given the chance, realise that dream.

What is your definition of working hard? Do they have to be a coal-miner, or a construction worker? Or can a surgeon work hard - or a computer programmer?

My brother dreamed of owning a Subaru Impreza RB5 - he worked hard, as an air traffic controller - and realised that dream, WHILST bringing up his two kids, in the house he'd bought.

I'm a big fan of the MkIV Supra and you and I both know a "road-legal" 8s 1/4 mile Supra won't stand up to a McLaren F1 around a track.
 
There is a difference between a realistic dream and a lottery dream.

Good for your brother, a realistic dream. The average income in an industrialised economy is around $25-$30 a year. now you do the math of how many years a person would have to work hard to get a mclaren f1, counting most of it is used on living costs. So, the car is for very rich people, and the reality is, working hard may lead you great prosperity but in 99% of the cases, its not so.

The car would have merit if it were actually affordable. But you don't need to be geniuses to realise that all you need is a light aerodynamic car with a powerful engine mounted to go that fast.
 
Originally posted by revaddict
so you think a person who works hard to make a living would blow £625,000 on a stupid car instead of buying a house or supporting a family? For most people working hard for 20 years won't even get you half of that money, Even if the guy made £200k a year, which is WAY above the average, he'd never afford or buy one if he was sensible.

Especially because you have countless road legal supras and skylines hitting 8 second 1/4mile times while the mclaren can't even go under 11 seconds. tsk tsk tsk
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You're an idiot :rolleyes: Do you actually think a tuned Supra could keep up with a McLaren F1 around a race track with TURNS? I think not! And please, define a road legal Supra or Skyline that could do those times, please? This will probably be a shock to you, but a fast 1/4 mile time doesn't mean a fast car :rolleyes:
 
A supra is incapable of handling, never claimed it would. Look who's the idiot who is incapable of reading. But the fact is, its not uncommon to see sub 10-second supras.

However, The likes of a Mine's skyline, BeeR skyline, JUN evo or a HKS evo would trash a mclaren F1 on a track with turns, yes.
 
Originally posted by revaddict
working hard may lead you great prosperity but in 99% of the cases, its not so.
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So there's one McLaren F1 owner out there who isn't an "insult to all hard working people". Well, that's nice to know.

It's interesting though, that I've yet to actually see a McLaren F1 turn up at a track day. Or a dragstrip. I wonder what that says about the personality of McLaren F1 owners? You seem to have them all (apart from that one) marked down as ostentatious snobs - you'd have thought they'd want to make a show of themselves burning around your local track of a weekend, wouldn't you?

Out of interest, what's your position on:
Lamborghini Murcielago (and it's owners)
Ferrari F40 (ditto)
Porsche 911 996 Turbo (ditto)
 
First these cars do not cost a million $.

second, these cars have something mclaren doesn't have.
Style, Image, Circuit performance.

But in any case, they still are generally speaking for materialistic people who don't truely have a passion for cars.

i.e rap artists, royalties, corporate hotshots.
 
You're a very interesting person...

(BTW I just bought my next car for £3250, and my old one is being kicked out for about £1700)
 
Originally posted by Famine
You're a very interesting person...

(BTW I just bought my next car for £3250, and my old one is being kicked out for about £1700)
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why thank you.

I hope you enjoy your new car, whatever it may be.
 
famine i see you r from yorkshire, me too

have u ever been to the track rod rally ????

have u ever seen andy burtons 306 hybrid rally car.... thats a cool machine.

a bloke in my football team owns and runs an RS200 it is a very nice car

where abouts in yorkshire r u from ????

the mclaren is THE ultimate supercar, gold lined engine bay, if this was every in doubt why is every supercar made since this beast came out compared to it ???????
 
famine i see you r from yorkshire, me too

have u ever been to the track rod rally ????

have u ever seen andy burtons 306 hybrid rally car.... thats a cool machine.

a bloke in my football team owns and runs an RS200 it is a very nice car

where abouts in yorkshire r u from ????

the mclaren is THE ultimate supercar, gold lined engine bay, if this was every in doubt why is every supercar made since this beast came out compared to it ???????
 
why has no one mentioned the all the f1's made???
wat about the long tail (two varients) and the gts????

Who ever it was that said they knew about mclaren, dosen't, there are 5 varients of the car and you have failed to mention 2. also there have been over a 100 made, i dobn't know where you got that figure from. The top of your head maybe????

i sigh in disbelief at some of the posts on this topic.
 
do you wana drop 800,000 credits on one car, when you can buy some honda civic and make it have like 99999999999hp and make it faster for like 5,000 credits?....... anyway a 16/4 would eat it alive..
 
Originally posted by HighOnNitrous
Andrews rite. The new Bugatti is going to beat the **** out of mclaren. from what i read its an 8.0 liter quad turbo w16!!!!
it will put mclaren to shame:eek:
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The McLaren weighs alot less, and has a very very close wower to weight ratio, the veryon will go faster in a straight line but that mad weight will slow it down around corners. Also the production one will olny (if thats the right word) have 930 odd bhp. Still wouldnt turn one down ;)
 
Originally posted by revaddict
A supra is incapable of handling, never claimed it would. Look who's the idiot who is incapable of reading. But the fact is, its not uncommon to see sub 10-second supras.

However, The likes of a Mine's skyline, BeeR skyline, JUN evo or a HKS evo would trash a mclaren F1 on a track with turns, yes.
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha sorry. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, i seem to remember the mclaren being 1, 2 ,3 and 4 at lemans, dont see many skylines doing that. Also HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE.

BTW you can download a video off kazaa of a mclaren F1 beating the crap out of a Top Secret Skyline over 1000m.
 
Originally posted by DelBoy
Hahahahahahahahahahaha sorry. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, i seem to remember the mclaren being 1, 2 ,3 and 4 at lemans, dont see many skylines doing that. Also HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, and HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE.

BTW you can download a video off kazaa of a mclaren F1 beating the crap out of a Top Secret Skyline over 1000m.
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The one with jeremy clarkson? yeah a R33 280bhp skyline, woohoo big deal. or are you talking about the tractionless veilside supra? You can also download loads of 8 sec skylines too. a full 3 seconds ahead of the mclaren.

anyho, why don't you look at how the mclaren is doing on the best GT category in the world (BTCC is a joke) at JGTC... Not only is it being regularily raped by Skylines but also by supras and nsx's shame shame shame.

And interestingly the first Mclaren Lemans victory was by a Japanese Team which went also to win with the Mazda and kick ass with the Nissan R390...

so before you open your mouth...

P.S British cars are OWNED by Yankees and Germans hahahaha
 
Originally posted by Satanslittlehel
also there have been over a 100 made, i dobn't know where you got that figure from. The top of your head maybe????
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A book called "The Encyclopedia of Dream Cars", edited by Chris Rees (ISBN 0-75480-407-0).

If you think I'm pulling numbers off the top of my head, you're clearly speaking out of your arse.
 
revaddict...you have some good points but when it comes to cars and comparaision to one another....Famine knows what hes talking about...prolly more then anyone here. So do take hes facts and comments seriously.
 
Originally posted by revaddict
anyho, why don't you look at how the mclaren is doing on the best GT category in the world (BTCC is a joke) at JGTC... Not only is it being regularily raped by Skylines but also by supras and nsx's shame shame shame.

P.S British cars are OWNED by Yankees and Germans hahahaha
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BTCC is Touring car, NOT GT, they're saloon cars with 300bhp max, not full on super cars in the first place (like the GT cars are based off) it's a huge monopoly and real cars are raced, and it's all driver skill around real racing tracks; hardly a joke.

The reason the McF1 is being 'raped' (as you so bizarrely put it) is because the technology in the GT versions of the McF1 were based on regulations for world GT series a few years back. These JGTC McF1 teams are presumably privateers?? And so the cars are not best suited to the rules and regulations of the JGTC league. Oh yeah and the teams winning races are worth several million pounds (several [english] billion Yen) each, and so can afford to stay on top of the game (like Ferrari in F1) whilst others settle for 'second hand' cars that are a year or more old and have already seen one or more seasons of racing.

Oh yeah and PS. Rover and MG are 100% British as are Noble, TVR, Westfield, Tiger etc. Really the "Yankees and Germans" don't own the British cars (and their companies), more like own the rights to the names and logos and bodyshapes etc, and the 'owned' car companies usually have free reign of what they do as a company in their own right. When I looked up info about Lotus a while back, nowhere did it say anything about being owned by Proton (their 'owners' at the time), merely some legal gumph was the resposibility of Proton. Who 'owns' Lotus now, anyway?
 
THE ONE AND ONLY!!!

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Just for your info (I know it's waay off topic, but hey, it's educational ;) )

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Here's a good site with lots of info for ya, so you don't get confused again :)

BTTC Pages
 
Originally posted by Griffith500
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BTCC is Touring car, NOT GT, they're saloon cars with 300bhp max, not full on super cars in the first place (like the GT cars are based off) it's a huge monopoly and real cars are raced, and it's all driver skill around real racing tracks; hardly a joke.

The reason the McF1 is being 'raped' (as you so bizarrely put it) is because the technology in the GT versions of the McF1 were based on regulations for world GT series a few years back. These JGTC McF1 teams are presumably privateers?? And so the cars are not best suited to the rules and regulations of the JGTC league. Oh yeah and the teams winning races are worth several million pounds (several [english] billion Yen) each, and so can afford to stay on top of the game (like Ferrari in F1) whilst others settle for 'second hand' cars that are a year or more old and have already seen one or more seasons of racing.

Oh yeah and PS. Rover and MG are 100% British as are Noble, TVR, Westfield, Tiger etc. Really the "Yankees and Germans" don't own the British cars (and their companies), more like own the rights to the names and logos and bodyshapes etc, and the 'owned' car companies usually have free reign of what they do as a company in their own right. When I looked up info about Lotus a while back, nowhere did it say anything about being owned by Proton (their 'owners' at the time), merely some legal gumph was the resposibility of Proton. Who 'owns' Lotus now, anyway?
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I agree with your budget argument. But, that would also apply to Mclaren F1 GTR lemans victory... teams winning lemans had more money and a car that was more invested upon.

You make it sound as if Rover and MG were some major player in the industry. Honda and BMW tried to turn it around but they couldnt do it, they sucked too much. They are virtually non existant outside the UK... TVR and Noble? I mean come on... I'm talking about your "once glorious" JAguar, Aston Martin, Bentley, rolls, landrover... I mean these cars have to use derivates of mass produced crappy cars from GM and ford.

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that picture could just be the start of the race. just because the skyline,supra, and nsx are in front of it now doesn't mean there better over all. There is also a major age difference between these cars.
 
Yes - the GT300 cars are in the background.

And look at that Diablo at the back of the GT500s. Pah! Diablos suck!

It's worth another note that a McLaren F1 would have to be detuned to fit into the GT500 class - 500PS limit...
 
Originally posted by revaddict
I agree with your budget argument. But, that would also apply to Mclaren F1 GTR lemans victory... teams winning lemans had more money and a car that was more invested upon.

You make it sound as if Rover and MG were some major player in the industry. Honda and BMW tried to turn it around but they couldnt do it, they sucked too much. They are virtually non existant outside the UK... TVR and Noble? I mean come on... I'm talking about your "once glorious" JAguar, Aston Martin, Bentley, rolls, landrover... I mean these cars have to use derivates of mass produced crappy cars from GM and ford.

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have you ever heard or seen an aston martin vanquish? They look stunning and sound mean as hell, cant beat a good old v12. Also the new Jags are kick ass (new XJR aluminium jobbie ohhhhhh), Range Rover's beat the hell out of every other off roader out their (by the way BMW X5 and M-Class arnt off roaders, just luxury barges), Rovers suck :\ what can i say. TVR, Lotus and Noble are totally awsome, you would have to be some soret of phillestein (sp) not to like these cars. TVR tuscan :O . You cant honestly say that McLaren F1 sucks. Because it is quite simply the most insane car ever created. The heat sheild on the engine is made of Gold!!! Also the McLaren must be nocking 10 years old now if not more, and its still the daddy.


EDIT: that video was from a japanese program dunno what the hell they were talking about but they looked pretty pissed, you want me to send it to you?
 
In fact, 10 years on Christmas Eve this year...!

The Vanquish engine is made from 3 Ford Mondeo V6s (each with a pair of cylinders lopped of - and I'm NOT making this up) - but is clearly the best sounding engine... ever.

Rover's K-series engine is still the most powerful engine per kilogram, and can be found in sports cars the world over - not least the Lotus Elise. Added to that, it was they who helped Honda out, and not the other way around. The Accord and Civic Saloon of the 1980s were based upon the Rover 200 series of the time.

The argument that Aston Martin and Jaguar "have to use derivatives of mass-produced crappy cars" is false. Aston Martin's new V8V and DB9 are both based on the bespoke aluminium monocoque chassis produced in-house - and it's Jaguar AND Ford which are basing their next cars on this, not the other way around. Plus, it has to be said, Ford USA may be crappy, but Ford Europe are now amongst the class leaders for quality and reliability (Ford Focus is the most reliable car in Germany, according to the latest figures, with only 0.3% of 3 year old vehicles showing any fault at all, and none failing their third-year inspection - we'd call it an MoT).

The only "British" car company to be allied with GM is Vauxhall. And that's ALWAYS been the case, as Vauxhall are Opel, who are GM.

As a mild aside, all but three Formula One teams are based in Britain (I'm not sure about BAR, Asian Minardi are Australian (?) and Ferrari... well... :D) and all WRCs are built in Britain - the Subaru Impreza WRC and Mitsubishi Lancer Evo WRCs have so little to do with Japan it's not even funny. They are built, from the wheels up, by Prodrive (UK) and Ralliart (UK).

And then there's Lotus, TVR, Noble, Westfield, Caterham, Radical (owners of the now-fastest road car around the Nordschleife - and 7'19 is damn scary), Tiger, Ginetta... MG can sod off :D
 
Originally posted by Famine
In fact, 10 years on Christmas Eve this year...!

The Vanquish engine is made from 3 Ford Mondeo V6s (each with a pair of cylinders lopped of - and I'm NOT making this up) - but is clearly the best sounding engine... ever.

Rover's K-series engine is still the most powerful engine per kilogram, and can be found in sports cars the world over - not least the Lotus Elise. Added to that, it was they who helped Honda out, and not the other way around. The Accord and Civic Saloon of the 1980s were based upon the Rover 200 series of the time.

The argument that Aston Martin and Jaguar "have to use derivatives of mass-produced crappy cars" is false. Aston Martin's new V8V and DB9 are both based on the bespoke aluminium monocoque chassis produced in-house - and it's Jaguar AND Ford which are basing their next cars on this, not the other way around. Plus, it has to be said, Ford USA may be crappy, but Ford Europe are now amongst the class leaders for quality and reliability (Ford Focus is the most reliable car in Germany, according to the latest figures, with only 0.3% of 3 year old vehicles showing any fault at all, and none failing their third-year inspection - we'd call it an MoT).

The only "British" car company to be allied with GM is Vauxhall. And that's ALWAYS been the case, as Vauxhall are Opel, who are GM.

As a mild aside, all but three Formula One teams are based in Britain (I'm not sure about BAR, Asian Minardi are Australian (?) and Ferrari... well... :D) and all WRCs are built in Britain - the Subaru Impreza WRC and Mitsubishi Lancer Evo WRCs have so little to do with Japan it's not even funny. They are built, from the wheels up, by Prodrive (UK) and Ralliart (UK).

And then there's Lotus, TVR, Noble, Westfield, Caterham, Radical (owners of the now-fastest road car around the Nordschleife - and 7'19 is damn scary), Tiger, Ginetta... MG can sod off :D
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Damn, your the man...the Famine :p
 
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