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Context
Since the update dropped, i slowly got through the new menu books. Lightweight K-Cup was the standard affair, the VGT Trophy was… I don’t want to say challenging, but harder than expected because I underestimated the Porsche VGT. Then the GR.1 series happened. At first I took the Toyota TS050 not noticing the 950 PP limit. So needless to say I didn’t manage much, but when I saw the AI opening a decent gap, and being faster in every way, even on the straights in the same car despite not being able to get any upgrades, I knew it was going to be difficult.
But I like challenge and with credits to burn I started experimenting. First I got the GR010 and although the increase in straight line speed was significant, so was the decrease in agility. After failure number one I went with the Porsche 919. Luckily for me it could receive a turbo upgrade, but unluckily it wasn’t enough. Then I got the Alpine VGT, which was the best, yet but not quite enough. Then I used the Mazda LM55 and it turned out as the best choice for me. Victory at Daytona, smashing everyone at St. Croix but then it was Suzuka time... I failed at my first attempt as I realized I needed a setup. That’s when I came across a video from Unleased Drivers like some other users here.
Rant
I used his setup, watched his video as a reference for an acceptable pace and then I gave it a shot but I kept failing and failing and failing - I couldn’t figure out why as my pace was similar and at times faster than Unleased Drivers. So after lots of trying I gave up on trying to beat them fairly and made a return to my early GT3-4 tactics. I tried a few non prototypes; X2019 no dice, F-1500 no dice, then I decided to get the third best car in the game for such situations (Chaparral 2X). However it had the same issue as the GR010.
Then I decided to take it a step further with the Tomahawk GTS-R but it couldn’t fall below 950 PP. Then I read in a thread here that someone won with the Super Formula but you know what happened next… So I returned back to the Mazda and as I failed again, the wheels in my head started spinning.
Take a look at Unleased Drivers’s times
And here are my times from one of the failed attempts (possibly the worst one in terms of race time).
I had a shocking lap 9 (0.5 penalty and a half exit at Spoon), I lost 3 seconds in the pits compared to him and I started the final lap with a race time of 16:16.150 , arriving at the same spot he starts the final lap in the video in 16:17.483, compared to his 16:14.383.
(if you factor in the 3 seconds I lost in the pits and the time I lost on lap 9 I would’ve been faster). His final race time on the last frame before he crossed the line (sadly he cuts to the prize ticket after that) was 17:58.183.
I didn’t complete the final lap so if i hypothetically ended that lap with a 1:45. My race time would’ve been 18:02 which would’ve been just short considering he won by 3.3 seconds and that would’ve been ok. My problem is here:
These are our respective gaps starting lap 10 and for whatever reason the AI was 9 seconds faster against me.
At one point I had enough and said 🤬 tactics and it worked.
That’s 15.5 seconds faster than the example attempt and 11.5s faster than Unleased Drivers, however I wasn’t the only one going faster. The AI went 12 and 5 seconds faster respectively, but The AI going faster is not the problem, the problem is this:
As you can see I have already put 1,222 kilometers on the car. If I subtract the total distance of the first two races (144 km) this leaves 1,078. This means I did this one race 18 🤬 times, which means I wasted 5,4 🤬 hours of my 🤬 life on one 🤬 race and I’m going to have to spent even more than that because I wasted 13 million credits on cars for this event, when I could save 11 of them if they allowed the TS050 to get a 🤬 turbo upgrade. So when it failed I wouldn’t have invested 6 million on the other hybrid cars and the rest if Polyphony could control the AI boosting...
I hope what they say about people from Polyphony checking the forums is true, because I hope someone sees this. GT7 has made a lot of fouls thus far - some of them do not affect me and some I tolerate. However, PD, if you pull anything like this again I’m out.
Update 2 (If you want to see the first update click on the spoiler bellow).
I recovered most of the wasted credits via the ticket glitch so im not as upset anymore, however dispite the comment the thread reciaved giving all round feedback (Thank you all), i still felt something was off. So i took the Toyota TS050 and the Porsche 919 to route X both in GT Sport and GT7 in stock form and these are my findings.
(GT Sport)
(GT7)
As you can see the car in GT7
Why you may ask ? Downforce.
(GT Sport)
(GT7)
Should i have expected that considering the new aerodynamic model ? Yes and i did to an extent.
Is the fact that the TS050 is (as far as i know as of today) the only modern prototype that can't reciave a power upgrade 💩 ?. Also yes because if it did i would've used it instead of spenting 6 million on the other hybrids.
Is this in part my fault or lack of skill ? Sure .
But egardless of everything else is the fact the AI can be 20 or perhaps even more seconds faster on the same race , in exactly the same conditions , on the same difficulty setting , following the same exact tactic every time a legit problem in the game ? Again yes.
Since the update dropped, i slowly got through the new menu books. Lightweight K-Cup was the standard affair, the VGT Trophy was… I don’t want to say challenging, but harder than expected because I underestimated the Porsche VGT. Then the GR.1 series happened. At first I took the Toyota TS050 not noticing the 950 PP limit. So needless to say I didn’t manage much, but when I saw the AI opening a decent gap, and being faster in every way, even on the straights in the same car despite not being able to get any upgrades, I knew it was going to be difficult.
But I like challenge and with credits to burn I started experimenting. First I got the GR010 and although the increase in straight line speed was significant, so was the decrease in agility. After failure number one I went with the Porsche 919. Luckily for me it could receive a turbo upgrade, but unluckily it wasn’t enough. Then I got the Alpine VGT, which was the best, yet but not quite enough. Then I used the Mazda LM55 and it turned out as the best choice for me. Victory at Daytona, smashing everyone at St. Croix but then it was Suzuka time... I failed at my first attempt as I realized I needed a setup. That’s when I came across a video from Unleased Drivers like some other users here.
Rant
I used his setup, watched his video as a reference for an acceptable pace and then I gave it a shot but I kept failing and failing and failing - I couldn’t figure out why as my pace was similar and at times faster than Unleased Drivers. So after lots of trying I gave up on trying to beat them fairly and made a return to my early GT3-4 tactics. I tried a few non prototypes; X2019 no dice, F-1500 no dice, then I decided to get the third best car in the game for such situations (Chaparral 2X). However it had the same issue as the GR010.
Then I decided to take it a step further with the Tomahawk GTS-R but it couldn’t fall below 950 PP. Then I read in a thread here that someone won with the Super Formula but you know what happened next… So I returned back to the Mazda and as I failed again, the wheels in my head started spinning.
Take a look at Unleased Drivers’s times
And here are my times from one of the failed attempts (possibly the worst one in terms of race time).
I had a shocking lap 9 (0.5 penalty and a half exit at Spoon), I lost 3 seconds in the pits compared to him and I started the final lap with a race time of 16:16.150 , arriving at the same spot he starts the final lap in the video in 16:17.483, compared to his 16:14.383.
(if you factor in the 3 seconds I lost in the pits and the time I lost on lap 9 I would’ve been faster). His final race time on the last frame before he crossed the line (sadly he cuts to the prize ticket after that) was 17:58.183.
I didn’t complete the final lap so if i hypothetically ended that lap with a 1:45. My race time would’ve been 18:02 which would’ve been just short considering he won by 3.3 seconds and that would’ve been ok. My problem is here:
These are our respective gaps starting lap 10 and for whatever reason the AI was 9 seconds faster against me.
At one point I had enough and said 🤬 tactics and it worked.
That’s 15.5 seconds faster than the example attempt and 11.5s faster than Unleased Drivers, however I wasn’t the only one going faster. The AI went 12 and 5 seconds faster respectively, but The AI going faster is not the problem, the problem is this:
As you can see I have already put 1,222 kilometers on the car. If I subtract the total distance of the first two races (144 km) this leaves 1,078. This means I did this one race 18 🤬 times, which means I wasted 5,4 🤬 hours of my 🤬 life on one 🤬 race and I’m going to have to spent even more than that because I wasted 13 million credits on cars for this event, when I could save 11 of them if they allowed the TS050 to get a 🤬 turbo upgrade. So when it failed I wouldn’t have invested 6 million on the other hybrid cars and the rest if Polyphony could control the AI boosting...
I hope what they say about people from Polyphony checking the forums is true, because I hope someone sees this. GT7 has made a lot of fouls thus far - some of them do not affect me and some I tolerate. However, PD, if you pull anything like this again I’m out.
Update 2 (If you want to see the first update click on the spoiler bellow).
I recovered most of the wasted credits via the ticket glitch so im not as upset anymore, however dispite the comment the thread reciaved giving all round feedback (Thank you all), i still felt something was off. So i took the Toyota TS050 and the Porsche 919 to route X both in GT Sport and GT7 in stock form and these are my findings.
(GT Sport)
(GT7)
As you can see the car in GT7
- Reached 45 Km/h less before starting losing speed.
- And has worse accelaration.
Why you may ask ? Downforce.
(GT Sport)
(GT7)
Should i have expected that considering the new aerodynamic model ? Yes and i did to an extent.
Is the fact that the TS050 is (as far as i know as of today) the only modern prototype that can't reciave a power upgrade 💩 ?. Also yes because if it did i would've used it instead of spenting 6 million on the other hybrids.
Is this in part my fault or lack of skill ? Sure .
But egardless of everything else is the fact the AI can be 20 or perhaps even more seconds faster on the same race , in exactly the same conditions , on the same difficulty setting , following the same exact tactic every time a legit problem in the game ? Again yes.
Update
Following the comments I received, I thought ‘maybe it was just me’. Even though 18 attempts were a few more than my limit for reasonable doubt. So I did the race four more times and here are the results in order.
When an AI has a time range of almost 20 seconds (17:30-17:48) with the same conditions, in the same difficulty, while following the same tactic every time, that’s not a ‘me’ problem and it goes beyond human error. PD has created something far more frustrating than adaptive AI. Now, if you are not properly quick, you are at the mercy of the algorithm. If it feels like letting you win, you’ll win - if not, too bad.
And the game added insult to injury on top of everything.
Thank you Sarah Maybe I could’ve had quite a bit more than 200 if I didn’t spent 54% of my credits on one race because the 🤬 1s and 0s didn’t feel like keeping their speed within reason…
Following the comments I received, I thought ‘maybe it was just me’. Even though 18 attempts were a few more than my limit for reasonable doubt. So I did the race four more times and here are the results in order.
When an AI has a time range of almost 20 seconds (17:30-17:48) with the same conditions, in the same difficulty, while following the same tactic every time, that’s not a ‘me’ problem and it goes beyond human error. PD has created something far more frustrating than adaptive AI. Now, if you are not properly quick, you are at the mercy of the algorithm. If it feels like letting you win, you’ll win - if not, too bad.
And the game added insult to injury on top of everything.
Thank you Sarah Maybe I could’ve had quite a bit more than 200 if I didn’t spent 54% of my credits on one race because the 🤬 1s and 0s didn’t feel like keeping their speed within reason…
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Or maybe a car that you can go without pitting? & hope rain holds off. (I dont have credits so havent tried others)
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