Mercedes W08 F1 undrivable on controller?

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mthomas_95
I don't know whether it's a glitch that it's full throttle or some kind of weird way of simulating the hybrid systems. Downshift to 5th through the esses is clearly heard and normal because I wasn't braking, so it seems we can rule out the gearbox for now as the cause of the messed up handling.

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I noticed the same kind of behavior on the Nissan 2020 VGT before the update (drove it a week ago), and the car is supposed to have KERS, like the electric engine would be throttling 100% until it is completely out of energy. Drove it on Alsace, tried stopping right at the exit of turn 1 : the speed kept increasing a bit for a few seconds even though the car was on a slope. Think I've recorded that, I'll put the video on here later if I still have the footage. So I guess that's just weird hybrid simulation.
 
I had a hard time controlling the car at first (came in last at my first try on the st Croix GP) but if you just forget gears 1 to 3 exist and don't go below 4th gear the car is pretty fun to drive, and i could win the race. I Also did some time trial on the Nurburgring GP track and 4th gear in turn one solved the spinning. Also if you watch the 2017 Suzuka pole lap you can see he only uses 3rd gear in the final chicane and the rest of the track is 4th or higher.
 
The Mercedes W08 F1 is pretty much undrivable with a wheel with all aids off.

Drove it in VR and the rev lights were on red all the time. Drove it on flat screen and there was no increase from 7th to 8th almost like they were one gear. Massive throttle lag on the flat screen even with TCS off, seemed better in VR.

Will be checking the gear ratios and trying all the aids.
 
I'm 99% certain the car not downshifting is a bug of some sort. That will probably be fixed in the next patch.

On controller, TCS3 and no CSA going into a tight corner in as low as second gear is an automatic spinout.

I wasn't going to drive the car much anyways but this is a bummer.
 
I was excited for this car in the the update, bought it with in game credits, drove it and hated it!!! DS4 user and it just sucks balls..... found it really needed to be kept on throttle for momentum however just too much slide (or rotation of 360 degrees) or under-steer was killing me...
 
NFSCARBON1
I've found on the DS4 that keeping a tiny amount of throttle on while braking stops the neutral problem and helps in slow corners.
It's still difficult to drive consistently though (although I suppose F1 shouldn't be easy!)
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This!
I managed to do a 1:09 around Kyoto Yamagiwa with ease once I got comfortable with this method. You need to treat the throttle like you would normally while applying the brakes. This solution was under our noses the entire time!
 
nige48
Could you share your settings? Thanks
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Totally stock, no assists other than ABS1 and auto gears.

It’s simple, you have to drive around the glitch. If your in an F1 car and change gear mid corner without any throttle, or go into neutral, your going to spin. So get all your slowing down done before corner entry and get back into the throttle soon as possible. The more you push the faster it dares you to go and the more fun you have.


I have to say, driving the W08, even with the glitch really reminds me of the Delta-Wing, only far more enjoyable due to the sheer speed the thing has. I'm so glad they added it to the game, it's a car like nothing else that has so much flow and accuracy to it when you get it right. I can't wait to get home again and smash out laps around Brands and Interlagos
 
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baldgye
Totally stock, no assists other than ABS1 and auto gears.
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Same, just tried it and although it's a really tough car to drive I'm not finding it impossible. It's about as hard as the 458 with the same settings, but yeah it does spin around when off power on slow hairpins which needs very careful driving.

I use DS4 but I use the tilt steering and digital throttle and brake via the X and Square buttons. (Crazy I know). So if I can do a lap in this car with digital throttle then anyone can keep it on the track with analog. I'll upload video.

EDIT: Oh yeah, first 3 or 4 gears are dangerous. I have to 'dab' the throttle repeatedly up to 4th and then can floor it.
 
MDJCM
Same, just tried it and although it's a really tough car to drive I'm not finding it impossible. It's about as hard as the 458 with the same settings, but yeah it does spin around when off power on slow hairpins which needs very careful driving.

I use DS4 but I use the tilt steering and digital throttle and brake via the X and Square buttons. (Crazy I know). So if I can do a lap in this car with digital throttle then anyone can keep it on the track with analog. I'll upload video.

EDIT: Oh yeah, first 3 or 4 gears are dangerous. I have to 'dab' the throttle repeatedly up to 4th and then can floor it.
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Yeah, if you have analogue inputs you can just carefully feather the throttle through the corners.
 
The car is driveable on a controller, but it takes some getting used to. I spun many times before I was able to set a good lap time on Monza. In that lap, I used a manual gearbox and it solved many of my problems. Shifting down in the braking zone does work, even if it doesn't sound like it. Also I could get better traction out of corners by using a higher gear - just be careful about how you turn.
 
nige48
The Mercedes W08 F1 is pretty much undrivable with a wheel with all aids off.

Drove it in VR and the rev lights were on red all the time.
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It wasn't until I watched a video of Hamilton driving the real thing that I realised I shouldn't be revving it out! He seems to keep it to about 12,000 rpm... I was taking it to the limiter (about 15,000rpm IIRC) :D Rev bar was flashing constantly.

Only had chance to put in a few laps at one of the new circuits last night, but honestly it didn't seem that bad, Aids off (excl. ABS 1), MT, DS4. Not saying it's easy... but then it probably shouldn't be, but I certainly don't think it's undriveable.
 
MatskiMonk
Only had chance to put in a few laps at one of the new circuits last night, but honestly it didn't seem that bad, Aids off (excl. ABS 1), MT, DS4. Not saying it's easy... but then it probably shouldn't be, but I certainly don't think it's undriveable.
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If it was easy it wouldn't be a Formula 1 car. I think it's about understanding the quirks.
 
MatskiMonk
It wasn't until I watched a video of Hamilton driving the real thing that I realised I shouldn't be revving it out! He seems to keep it to about 12,000 rpm... I was taking it to the limiter (about 15,000rpm IIRC) :D Rev bar was flashing constantly.

Only had chance to put in a few laps at one of the new circuits last night, but honestly it didn't seem that bad, Aids off (excl. ABS 1), MT, DS4. Not saying it's easy... but then it probably shouldn't be, but I certainly don't think it's undriveable.
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You also see that even in some quali laps he'll short shift out of some corners.
 
I havent tried the W08, but F1 cars shouldnt use ABS and even with are not supposed to press 100% braking. Have anyone tried if not braking full on approach changes the behaviour?

And other thing, in F1 the downshifts under 4th are done at already low speed and calmly, and in game we tend to downshift the crap of the cars..
 
Gordjy
I havent tried the W08, but F1 cars shouldnt use ABS and even with are not supposed to press 100% braking. Have anyone tried if not braking full on approach changes the behaviour?
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From what I can tell, the brake-by-wire system isn't simulated in any real way
 
Justy73
I have found a solution which eleminated the oversteer-spinnig problem which I had playing with the DS4 nearly completely: hard tire on front and soft on rear. Of course this whould not be allowed by rules in real F1...
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This Works pretty good actually thank you for sharing!
 
Its bizarre I play on a wheel and yeah heavy braking it’s like he pulls the clutch in, then releases it when you come off the brakes so then you get a bunch of engine braking mid corner as the revs match and spin out

Impossible to drive fast like this unfortunately but hopefully it will be fixed soon So frustrating when first you find out you can’t customise the car in livery editor then find out it has a silly handling fault which really hampers your driving experience

Surely someone tests the cars before they are released cos it’s not rocket science to work out that’s a bit odd
 
I've done the Suzuka race this morning and managed to win it, with TCS at 0 and ASM on. There are a couple issues to the W08 right now, but these can be worked around. At the hairpin and last chicane, after breaking, the throttles seems absent, the clutch also "disengages" and you can't change gears at all. However, if you press the throttle, even just a little, before releasing the brake, it seems to reengage the clutch.

I'll continue to fiddle with it later, but it is currently more manageable than yesterday on my first try where I kept spinning out at hairpins and slow chicanes.
 
Bobert power
This!
I managed to do a 1:09 around Kyoto Yamagiwa with ease once I got comfortable with this method. You need to treat the throttle like you would normally while applying the brakes. This solution was under our noses the entire time!
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Under our fingers actually.

Unless your face can handle a controller, then by all means color me impressed and disturbed.
 
MDJCM
Same, just tried it and although it's a really tough car to drive I'm not finding it impossible. It's about as hard as the 458 with the same settings, but yeah it does spin around when off power on slow hairpins which needs very careful driving.

I use DS4 but I use the tilt steering and digital throttle and brake via the X and Square buttons. (Crazy I know). So if I can do a lap in this car with digital throttle then anyone can keep it on the track with analog. I'll upload video.

EDIT: Oh yeah, first 3 or 4 gears are dangerous. I have to 'dab' the throttle repeatedly up to 4th and then can floor it.
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Video of my 2 lap Suzuka practice race:



DS4, Tilt, Digital throttle, TCS off, bit of ABS, Auto, can't remember other settings, need to check. I'm sure I have all other stuff off. Nothing great but do-able.
 
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