Microsoft's "iPod Killer" - Zune Discussion

Wow, I can imagine this to be a bit costly for Microsoft as the average iPod user is likely to have at least a hundred dollars worth of music purchased from iTunes.
Actually, I've read that the average iTunes user has spent $15 for thier services. I'm not sure if that includes any "free" songs that iTunes likes to promote, or not; but it basically syas that Microsoft is willing to take a $15 loss for each one sold...which will likely be marked into the price, if they're keeping that iTunes connection for their portable media player.
 
But in reality, how many users get all their music from iTunes? It may be cheaper to buy the actual CDs because then you get the hard copy and the digital copy when you rip it.
 
Actually, I bought quite a bit of music for iTunes back then, when I was too lazy to go to Tower Records. All in all, I have around 120 dollars worth of iTunes music and videos. Even if the Zune store only pays for my music, it's still around $80 of music.
 
Hmm.

I'm guessing most people will have a CD of their favorite songs - not the new ones, of course. If one was able to find the desired CD from the stack, then the person just saved themselves $10.
 
But in reality, how many users get all their music from iTunes? It may be cheaper to buy the actual CDs because then you get the hard copy and the digital copy when you rip it.

You do know you can burn music that you buy to a CD, right? You get the best of both worlds that way.
 
I still buy CDs. But if I'm looking for hard to find song, or just single song, I sometimes buy from iTunes.
 
The downside to iTunes is that you can't buy music from a store other than the one from your home country.
Oh and pressed CDs last a lot longer than burned CDs.
 
The downside to iTunes is that you can't buy music from a store other than the one from your home country.
Oh and pressed CDs last a lot longer than burned CDs.
Yeah, I tried buying music from U.K. and Japan. :guilty:
 
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You do know you can burn music that you buy to a CD, right? You get the best of both worlds that way.

No you don't. iTunes .aac will never come close to a lossless CD. You'll defnintely lose quality.

And whole CDs cost roughly the same on iTunes anyway, so just get a brand new hard copy, safe in the knowledge it won't sound like crap.
 
But in reality, how many users get all their music from iTunes? It may be cheaper to buy the actual CDs because then you get the hard copy and the digital copy when you rip it.

Duċk;2425785
You do know you can burn music that you buy to a CD, right? You get the best of both worlds that way.

I think GT4_Rule has a stronger case. When you purchase a CD, you can rip it at your desired quality, choose the format of the file, and rip it to as many computers as you want.

When you legally download a song, you are limited to the quality that the music service provides, as well as the restrictions you agreed upon when signing up with the service.

Well, I've wandered way off-topic, so I'll continue with something about the Zune. Criticize it all you want, but I have no doubt in my mind that Apple's recent iPod price drop was somehow related to Microsoft's plan to release a music player. We will see more benefits as the Zune becomes more popular.

BTW, Wal-Mart (accidentally?) revealed the price of the Zune: $284
 
I think GT4_Rule has a stronger case. When you purchase a CD, you can rip it at your desired quality, choose the format of the file, and rip it to as many computers as you want.
Well, if the CD has $10 worth of great songs on it, I'd do the same. However, almost all CDs only have a few good songs in it, and the rest are filler. I would go with the downloading part, because even though the quality isn't as good, you get more bang for your buck. And you really can't tell the difference between AAC/MP3 and lossless CD quality, unless you have a good speaker system.
 
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Well, if the CD has $10 worth of great songs on it, I'd do the same. However, almost all CDs only have a few good songs in it, and the rest are filler. I would go with the downloading part, because even though the quality isn't as good, you get more bang for your buck. And you really can't tell the difference between AAC/MP3 and lossless CD quality, unless you have a good speaker system.

Good point. In that case, I'll just borrow my friends' CDs and rip only the good songs at lossless quality. Then I won't have to worry about compromising between money and quality :sly:

Although I'll probably end up in the RIAA's 🤬-list.
 
I find it very rare that I like more than 5 song on an album so to use iTunes is a smarter option for me, however I dont like that fact that the download quality is not amazing (compared to burning it off a CD). I also, as mentioned above, dont like the fact you can browse other country music stores but not buy tracks! There are usually tracks in the US store that I want but cant get!

As for the Zune, here is my 3 cents, The name is odd, kind of sucks really its basically trying to create a catchy easy name like iPod. The screen is a good size but it looks like a brick and MS needs a few generations to make it better. I also heard about this wireless sharing music thing, made me laugh that you can listen to it 3 times or keep it for a day or something...... hahaha, stupid MS and legal / anti piracy stuff, bet it wont play anything not totally authorised buy MS from its store and it wont let you copy it etc etc!

All in all good effort, but im not totally convinced...

Robin
 
Plus, they are a bit late for the Christmas market. Not many people buy 1st gen major MP3 players. Plus, people will still be going for the iPod because of all of the accessories for it (cases, power packages, starter kits, etc.). I don't see the Zune doing too well in the future.
 
I do agree on the fact that the name sounds a bit odd and the player is bulky. But I, for one, do like the players a bit big. Like the Nano - I will probably crack it in half in less than a week if I had it. My 3G iPod is thick in today's standards, but I still prefer that the players have some size to it so that I get a sense of solidity (sp?)
 
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SEATTLE -- Microsoft Corp.'s Zune music player looks a lot like an iPod, acts a lot like an iPod and will cost about the same as an iPod. The software giant said Thursday that it will charge $249.99 for the device, signaling that it isn't planning to spark a major price war to gain market share.

"It's not going to be price that really drives people to Zune," said Michael Gartenberg, an analyst with Jupiter Research.

Instead, the company is hoping to gain an edge by touting two features Apple Computer Inc. doesn't offer on its iPod: a subscription music service, and the ability to share music with other Zune users through a wireless connection.

Microsoft plans to debut the portable music player and its companion online music service on Nov. 14 in the United States, just ahead of the holiday gift-buying rush.

The music service will let people buy songs individually for about 99 cents, the same price Apple charges for songs from its popular iTunes Music Store.

For Zune, Microsoft will use the same payment system as its Xbox Live online video game service, which lets people without credit cards buy prepaid cards at some retail stores.

Microsoft also will offer a Zune Pass subscription service, which will let users listen to any of about 2 million songs for $14.99 per month. RealNetworks Inc. charges the same monthly fee for its online music subscription service, Rhapsody to Go.

RealNetworks and others have offered such subscription services for years, although they haven't caught on with many mainstream users.

The ability to rent music, in addition to buying it, could offer Zune an edge against Apple's iPod and iTunes juggernaut. But Gartenberg said that to make the subscription service a selling point, Microsoft will have to convince a more mainstream audience to rent music.

"They're going to have to spend a lot of time educating the market," he said.

Scott Erickson, senior director of product management for Zune, said Microsoft is hoping that people will use the subscription service to seek out music they might not have known about, while also buying some songs outright.

Microsoft also is hoping to differentiate itself from the iPod by including wireless technology to let people share some of their favorite songs, playlists or pictures with other Zune users who are close by.

The other users can then listen to the songs three times over three days before deciding whether to buy the tune themselves.

But Gartenberg said Jupiter research has shown that only about 11 percent of consumers are interested in sharing music device-to-device. One reason for that may be that people are already commonly sharing music illegally, and don't see the value in a service that requires the other user to eventually pay for the song.

Microsoft is "going to have to evangelize the market if they're going to stress the feature," Gartenberg said.

Microsoft has said it plans a major promotion for Zune. Erickson wouldn't provide financial specifics but said the operation won't make money immediately.

"In total we won't be making a profit this year, but we will, of course, work toward becoming a profitable business in the future," he said.

Other hardware manufacturers, including Creative Technology Ltd. and Samsung Electronics Co., already offer portable media players that support Microsoft's software, but they've had little success against Apple.

The Zune player, to be made by Toshiba Corp., will have 30 gigabytes of memory, enough to hold about 7,500 songs.

It also will feature a 3-inch screen and a built-in FM transmitter, and will come loaded with about 25 songs and other content. The rectangular device has a simple look and feel similar to the iPod.

An iPod with a 30-gigabyte hard drive and a 2.5-inch screen sells for $249. Apple also offers lower- and higher-priced versions.


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Microsoft also will offer a Zune Pass subscription service, which will let users listen to any of about 2 million songs for $14.99 per month.

I have a feeling that people aren't going to rush out and buy subscriptions. Especially at $14.99 a month.
 
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"It's not going to be price that really drives people to Zune," said Michael Gartenberg, an analyst with Jupiter Research.

Nope. It will be the traditional reliability of Microsoft products and the integrity of Microsoft the company.
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Microsoft also will offer a Zune Pass subscription service, which will let users listen to any of about 2 million songs for $14.99 per month. RealNetworks Inc. charges the same monthly fee for its online music subscription service, Rhapsody to Go.

RealNetworks and others have offered such subscription services for years, although they haven't caught on with many mainstream users.
So, something iPod users have for years thought as completely stupid (because it is) will propel the Zune to top spot? I guess they are only marketing the Zune to people who thought this was the best OS ever.
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The ability to rent music, in addition to buying it, could offer Zune an edge against Apple's iPod and iTunes juggernaut. But Gartenberg said that to make the subscription service a selling point, Microsoft will have to convince a more mainstream audience to rent music.

"They're going to have to spend a lot of time educating the market," he said.
On what? How bad of an idea it has always been?
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Scott Erickson, senior director of product management for Zune, said Microsoft is hoping that people will use the subscription service to seek out music they might not have known about, while also buying some songs outright.
I'm sure people don't care about types of music and songs they don't care about any more than they like turning on a radio and finding out it is on the wrong station.
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Microsoft is "going to have to evangelize the market if they're going to stress the feature," Gartenberg said.
The power of Christ compels you!
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"In total we won't be making a profit this year, but we will, of course, work toward becoming a profitable business in the future," he said.
Easiest way? Dumping the Zune within 2 years.
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Other hardware manufacturers, including Creative Technology Ltd. and Samsung Electronics Co., already offer portable media players that support Microsoft's software, but they've had little success against Apple.
Which guarantees MS won't, because Creative at least makes better MP3 players than Apple, without silly strings attached.
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It also will feature a 3-inch screen and a built-in FM transmitter, and will come loaded with about 25 songs and other content. The rectangular device has a simple look and feel similar to the iPod.
So does this. They both will probably work as well.
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I don't understand it either.

Microsoft is a small company with very limited resources. They must "borrow" ideas from larger companies such as Apple so they can expand into a larger and more powerful company. This behavior is totally acceptable at this stage of the young company's growth.

I couldn't help it.
 
:lol:

I'm not interested in subscription or wireless music sharing with other "Zunes". On top of that, they are priced similarly, so I guess MS missed the point completely, as far as I'm concerned. I am interested to see how it does with the consumers.
 
I don't understand it either.

Microsoft is a small company with very limited resources. They must "borrow" ideas from larger companies such as Apple so they can expand into a larger and more powerful company. This behavior is totally acceptable at this stage of the young company's growth.

I couldn't help it.

:lol: 👍!!
Anyway, come on, show a little love for MS people...!
 
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