Mini Cooper '98

[bobmarde]

Ahhhhh, so that IS a mistake then? I thought so too, but figured that maybe they were bought by Porsche lol.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

It's not a bug, it's a minor mistake that doesn't really mean anything. They need to focus their time on other things than fixing a minor problem like that.

I suspect the time taken to fix it would be less than the time I've just spent typing this response so I here by volunteer my time to PD to edit what ever config file is used from German to UK

 

[NFSCARBON1]

wow theres a man that knows his minis! good spot.

speaking of English cars, GT5 needs the Metro 6r4!!

What about Welsh cars? A few Morgan's wouldn't go amiss

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

So is it really a bug. I thought PD used some weird reasoning as it's owned by BMW and I think made in Germany as well.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

What about Welsh cars? A few Morgan's wouldn't go amiss

You've seen GT5's tree's right? I don't think it's graphics and physics engine can do wood.

So is it really a bug. I thought PD used some weird reasoning as it's owned by BMW and I think made in Germany as well.

Has never been made in Germany, designed by a Brit, built by Brit company's.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

You've seen GT5's tree's right? I don't think it's graphics and physics engine can do wood.

Too true. Just the Aero 8 then

 

[Gee-dub-ya]

Has never been made in Germany, designed by a Brit, built by Brit company's.

Definitely British built, 1 factory is about 7 miles away from my house 👍

 

[BuzzDrought]

morgans would definatly be an obvious choice.
personally i'd like to have seen more from genetta, the g33 and g50 , both regularly raced and have their own race series!



infact... hang on... why the hell isnt Radical or Ariel also in there!




The japanese clearly have something against the garden shed

 

[Poppins]

If anything make other cars better

 

[Culkin]

GT5 needs the Metro 6r4!!

This 👍 👍 👍 but only if they get the engine screaming at the right pitch and volume

 

[badger_mk2]

Too true. Just the Aero 8 then

Thats got a part wooden chassis thing going on though?

 

[NFSCARBON1]

The Aero 8 has an aluminium chassis and bodywork. The body sub structure is made of Ash so you can't see it, so PD won't have a problem!

 

[ElSecundo]

I doubt it's a bug or a mistake. Licensing for every car on the game comes from somewhere. When BMW bought the Rover Group, they found that Rover was in such bad shape that the best they could hope to do was extract anything potentially profitable, and sell off the Rover Group.

One of the things BMW kept was the rights to the name 'Mini'. So guess who gives the yes or no when it comes to the game licensing? Yep, the German guys who own it.

Mind you, BMW proceeded on a serious letter-writing campaign after buying the Rover Group. BMW attorneys threatened a lawsuit against every company that supported the original Mini, and had the word 'Mini' in their name. Most of these were small businesses, and not prepared to fight a giant like BMW in court, so they often abandoned the name. As far as BMW goes, the name is theirs, and they paid for it. I seriously doubt this is a mistake or a bug, but somebody at PD or Sony who dealt with the licensing issues could tell you more.

 

[JuniorMessi]

It's not a bug, it's a minor mistake that doesn't really mean anything. They need to focus their time on other things than fixing a minor problem like that.

Well, yeah, it kinda does. The Mini's an iconic British car.

 

[AMCNUT]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2000/mar/18/guardianobituaries

Does this mean that the '49 Beetle should be British since VW was owned by an Englishman for the first few years after the war?

If Germany wants to steal the Mini, the UK may as well snag the Beetle!

 

[Dennisch]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2000/mar/18/guardianobituaries

Does this mean that the '49 Beetle should be British since VW was owned by an Englishman for the first few years after the war?

If Germany wants to steal the Mini, the UK may as well snag the Beetle!

They had the option to do so when they arrived at the factory after the war, but the British didn't like the car that much,and they never saw any anything in it.

 

[Tyger]

I think there are degrees with these things, but established degrees, like you wouldn't consider Lotus Malaysian, nor would you call Vauxhall or Opel (or Saab until recently) American. Not so long ago Aston Martin and Jaguar were owned by Ford but they are still generally seen as British marques, even if that's not where the $$$ is coming from

However there do seem more inconsistencies in the world of GT than most other places, including the "old" mini (nobody is disputing the fact that BMW owns the name but that doesn't retrospectively make it a German car), numerous Fords (Escort, Focus, Ka, RS200 and arguably the GT40) and the McLaren Race Car, though I perhaps need to Google that one admittedly.

So it's either down to weird licensing issues, or PD messing up. That's not one I would like to call.

 

[Tyger]

They had the option to do so when they arrived at the factory after the war, but the British didn't like the car that much,and they never saw any anything in it.

Being devil's advocate here, that's because it was and still is a terrible car. Perfect for its original intention and an iconic design, but still a pretty lousy car, when Britain wasn't short of OK cars at that time.

 

[Dennisch]

Being devil's advocate here, that's because it was and still is a terrible car. Perfect for its original intention and an iconic design, but still a pretty lousy car, when Britain wasn't short of OK cars at that time.

That's absolutely correct, but still it was one of the biggest swing and missessessessesssss made after the war 👍

 

[AMCNUT]

That's absolutely correct, but still it was one of the biggest swing and missessessessesssss made after the war 👍

I agree it was a horribly lost opportunity, but how do you think the history books would have been written had the British taken up the Beetle when they had the chance? I imagine the balance of power would be quite different, at least in the automotive world! An interesting what-if scenario for sure!

 

[Tyger]

That's absolutely correct, but still it was one of the biggest swing and missessessessesssss made after the war 👍

And don't get me wrong, i love my candy red resprayed and pimped up beetle in GT5, especially with all driving aids off

 

[Dennisch]

And don't get me wrong, i love my candy red resprayed and pimped up beetle in GT5, especially with all driving aids off

Deep pink metallic, ready for drifting!

 

[ElSecundo]

However there do seem more inconsistencies in the world of GT than most other places, including the "old" mini (nobody is disputing the fact that BMW owns the name but that doesn't retrospectively make it a German car)

No, it doesn't make it a German car at all.

What it DOES do is put BMW in the driver's seat, and when PD/Sony comes to them asking if they can use the Mini in the game, the Germans can set the conditions. If the Germans insisted "sure you can use it, but you have to call it an Austin Monkey", PD would either have to call it an Austin Monkey or not put it in the game. It's their right because they own it, and they don't have to let anyone use it.

But you know and I know it's a British car. I have a '66 and love it, but it'll never be a German car.

 

[RogsR34UK]

The really bizarre part about the old Mini is that the two MG cars are from the same era and part of the same company as the Mini but are British.

Why they could not have had MG Rover for the three cars remains to be seen, though I suspect it is down to licensing.

I suppose the main problem is that the MG name is owned by one Chinese Car Company and Rover is owned by another. This causes problems because the MG owners still make the 75 (I think) and it is now called a Roewe.

 

[Bigbazz]

By the theory of rover being bought out by BMW and thus making a Rover Mini german, the other british cars such as Jaguar, Aston Martin, Lotus, Land Rover, MG(Rover?) and TVR should also not be considered british, as they were bought out by various companies in other countries. Lamborghini should be considered german also.

 

[DeadBert]

The only difference was the 13 inches wheel option instead of 12 inches of the '93 model. Also the mini was never changed much since original model desinged in UK by Sir Alex Issigonis and produced through its life by Austin (UK), Morris (UK) and Rover (UK).

Urgh, I hate to be a huge car bore but this isn't correct. The '93 model was the first fuel injected Mini, using a single point injection manifold (basically a carb with an injector shoved in it. As of mid '96 the multi point injected car came out, 2 injectors mounted close to the inlet ports.

Differences were far greater than the wheels fitted (actually 12 inch was still standard, 13's were available with the optional Sportspack). A lot of the engine was changed for stricter emission and drive by noise laws. The interior was underwent changes to increase refinement and comfort. The list of changes is way to long and boring to discuss on anything other than a Mini forum.

Either way, let's get this amazing little car made into a premium model! 👍

 

[daddy mario]

Concerning the Mini, BMW bought Rover in 1994, so any Mini that was build after 1994 can basically be considered a German car.

I work in the automobile industry (in France) and well remember when BMW took over Rover... I know because Honda was very close to doing it before them but backed off, and our company received a joint Rover-Honda visit with an idea of our making certain parts for... the new mini, which was already on the boards but which Rover knew they would never survive long enough to produce.

That said, the old and new minis have always been contstructed exclusively in blighty.

Whilst this is true, The same could have been said for Volvo in GT4 as at that point they were owned by Ford, thus American.

it's a bit more complicated than that. There's Ford US but also Ford Europe, which is actually two separate subsidiaries one English and one German.

But I think that Volvo AB was directly attached to FMC (US).

But far more Volvos are built in Belgium than in Sweden.

By the same token, the biggest Ford plant in the world is in Spain.

To make things even stranger, we (a Renault subsidiary) have made parts for ALL these companies (and more).

Today's automobile world has become so interrelated that it's not too much of an exagerration to say the badge on the front of a car only means that particular company has designed its look and general performance level*, and worked out image and market strategy. then they "make-or-buy" everything across the whole industry. Everyone makes everything.

*or not even! there are many cases of the same car coming off the same production line wearing 2 or 3 different badges.

 

[555WorldRacing]

i think the chinese also own rover im not sure
Aint Jaguar and Land Rover owned by Tata in india?
i so they should be indian acording to PD but they are still british so why not the original mini?

 

[Sier_Pinski]

Slightly relevant to the thread topic, I see most Lexus and Infiniti cars in the UCD as being from the U.S. instead of Japan. I even saw one Lexus as being from Korea (forgot what it was, but I was sure it had the Korean flag). Is that how it should be?

 

[mellaknanurak1]

They say the Ford Escort is British.