Mitsubishi Evo X is the last Evo

[Caio_Reinhardt]

Corolla FR, Silvia, Supra, Celica, MR-2, Skyline GT-R, RX-7, RX-8, Eclipse, EVO, my question is who's next??

 

[eSZee]

If they bring back the Endeavor, (which is basically a Montero/Pajero with a Lancer engine) then the Evo will just be in SUV form, and still secretly be a Lancer.

Putting a 4cyl in a 4000lb car is not going to bring back the EVO "spirit". Nor would it be smart.

 

[n1nj4ofshr3d]

Corolla FR, Silvia, Supra, Celica, MR-2, Skyline GT-R, RX-7, RX-8, Eclipse, EVO, my question is who's next??

Impreza, maybe. Even S2000, NSX, 3000GT. Where has the legacy of Japan's sports cars gone?

 

[Feral Pigeon]

Corolla FR, Silvia, Supra, Celica, MR-2, Skyline GT-R, RX-7, RX-8, Eclipse, EVO, my question is who's next??

you're just talking japanese cars, I'm worried about cars such as the Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, Corvette, Viper, 3-Series, & 911.

 

[eSZee]

He was pointing which japanese cars have been killed off so mentioning current american cars wouldn't make sense.

 

[Luminis]

you're just talking japanese cars, I'm worried about cars such as the Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, Corvette, Viper, 3-Series, & 911.

Now, that one's not going to go anywhere. Some oil sheiks are going to keep it alive by themselves, if push comes to shove, I guess

 

[Max_DC]

Well, what a pity. Driving an STi for 9 years now and being a fan of japanese sports cars in general I have to agree : What happend to Toyota and Mitsubishi ?
And I am talking about the emotional aspect of a sports car enthusiast, not the economical business perspective.

I mean Subaru dropped out of the WRC, but at least the new STi sedan is a step back to the right direction. Then we have Nissan with the 370Z and the GT-R. The Mazda RX8, well without the turbo of the RX7 you still have a nice looking and handling car, but there is no punch. Honda, well as it's been said above, who knows if the S2000 will be continued.

Back to the Evo/STi class - now that the rally ( or WRC ) times are over, I think Subaru ( and Mitsubishi ) should think of adding two more cylinders.

Make the WRX a 280 hp 4 cylinder boxer and the STi a 6 cylinder boxer turbo with 400-450 hp out of the box for like 60k $. Times have changed, it's hard to loose weight with all those safety regulations and demands of people paying 50k $ for a car that has to work as a daily driver aswell. A 4WD sedan won't be an Elise any time soon. So let's up the power and regain the throne of middle class sports sedans.

I wish Subaru would think about it ( obviously Mitsubishi is not in the mood right now ), but in times of electric cars and such a massive focus on ecology I highly doubt it.
Nissan went in the right direction with the GT-R - they adapted to the times. The R32 GT-R could beat a 911 turbo of its time and the Evo and Sti at least came close, not any more. Then again I wouldn't wanna pay 90k EUR for an STi.

 

[Crash]

you're just talking japanese cars, I'm worried about cars such as the Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, Corvette, Viper, 3-Series, & 911.

That is also not going to happen. The 3-series is BMW's biggest seller and their cash cow. It being killed off is about as likely as Ford killing the F-150, or Toyota killing the Corolla.

 

[AlexGTV]

That is also not going to happen. The 3-series is BMW's biggest seller and their cash cow. It being killed off is about as likely as Ford killing the F-150, or Toyota killing the Corolla.

Precisely. According to their annual report of 2009 ('10 is not out yet) they sold 45% more 3-Series than 1-Series. Or a hefty 180159 more cars.

 

[Luminis]

That is also not going to happen. The 3-series is BMW's biggest seller and their cash cow. It being killed off is about as likely as Ford killing the F-150, or Toyota killing the Corolla.

Seeing as the post was about performance cars, I tthink he was on about the M3, not the 3-series in general. Which also seems highly unlikely, as the M3 serves as a pretty darn good way for BMW to retain a sporty image.

 

[AMCNUT]

Corolla FR, Silvia, Supra, Celica, MR-2, Skyline GT-R, RX-7, RX-8, Eclipse, EVO, my question is who's next??

My thoughts exactly... I guess stereotypes exist for a reason...

I just hope that the few remaining (credible) holdouts continue to, um, hold out....

 

[Caio_Reinhardt]

Feral Pigeon

I was talking that almost all the Japanese (Super)Sports Cars have all gone...

The American Muscles come and go, and they still basicly the same (Apart from the last Pontiac GTO that was Australian)...

 

[GT_Prologue5]

The American Muscles come and go, and they still basicly the same (Apart from the last Pontiac GTO that was Australian)...

Not to incite a big "American" argument but explain how they are 'the same'. The Camaro is on the Zeta platform of Australia (along with the CTS), the Challenger is on the 300C/Charger platform and the Mustang has been advancing for 40+ years. They're nowhere near the 'same'.

Back on topic though, it pretty much leaves Subaru's Impreza and the Nissan GT-R (and maybe the 370Z) to hoist the waning sports car influence of 90's Japan. They built so many good cars, now what's left? A bunch of half-crap sub-compacts like the i, March, and Yaris.

Ironic though, as the Lancer was the best-selling car for North America last year.

 

[Joker-GTBR]

(optimist mode on)
Maybe Mitsubishi is trying to raise the bar with a new Galant VR-4, aiming on the "M5 class" of sport sedans
(optimist mode off)

(pessimist mode on)
Maybe Mitsubishi is planning a Lancer Evo hatch to match with the abomination known as STI hatch (Impreza and STI for me can only mean three things: sedan, coupe or wagon)
(pessimist mode off)

 

[Dan_]

Frankly? I'm not really touched by the death sentence imposed to the current Evo, what really impresses me is this Mitsu attempt to leap forward in the innovation department. Surely, they're aware of Honda's wave of hybridization and are keen to respond with a powerful, good looking and considerably cheap hybrid, summing up, the're probably going to make a bigger, more practical and economical version of the CRZ and call it Evo.

Their sales figures are decadent in the US, following the current trends would eventually get them back to the game.

 

[boomee]

well Long live SUbaru at this point
FYI The hatch is the best

 

[boomee]

Feral Pigeon

I was talking that almost all the Japanese (Super)Sports Cars have all gone...

The American Muscles come and go, and they still basicly the same (Apart from the last Pontiac GTO that was Australian)...

obviously you dont know much about mordern day American muscle.

 

[CarreraGT]

obviously you dont know much about mordern day American muscle.

He's got a point though. In essence, they are fairly similar (to their predecessors) each tim round ie. V8 engine up front, rear wheel drive and fairly basic suspension/drivetrain setups.

Don't get me wrong I love American muscle, but there's not a lot going on in terms of innovation

 

[NissanSkylineN1]

Wow, this is terrible. I hope they do this in a Pagani manner with their Zonda as Jeremy Clarkson explained with the gazillion versions.

 

[blaaah]

I have a shoe shop in my town that for the last 15 years has had blanked out windows with "clearance sale" and "everything must go" posters and signs. It must work for them to keep clearing out over an over.
I'm not sure that is what Mitsubishi are doing though, I think they are doing a proper branding change, and they will soon make a car just as high performance as the Evo.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

I have a shoe shop in my town that for the last 15 years has had blanked out windows with "clearance sale" and "everything must go" posters and signs. It must work for them to keep clearing out over an over.
I'm not sure that is what Mitsubishi are doing though, I think they are doing a proper branding change, and they will soon make a car just as high performance as the Evo.

I don't believe that, they're mainly going the B/C- segment of small hybrids and EV's. Maybe we'll get a Lancer Evo XI later this decade, but a replacement anytime soon seems unlikely with Mitsubishi trying to dive as a bigger automaker in the U.S.

 

[blaaah]

An EV high performance 4wd.

 

[Caio_Reinhardt]

"He's got a point though. In essence, they are fairly similar (to their predecessors) each tim round ie. V8 engine up front, rear wheel drive and fairly basic suspension/drivetrain setups.

Don't get me wrong I love American muscle, but there's not a lot going on in terms of innovation"

Thanks Carrera GT, you got my point...

It doesn't matter that it has modern platforms...It still has that interior, a Huge V8 that does 8MPG with loads of torque and no horsepower at all, with a suspension that is more soft than a fat dog.

I'm just saying that American Muscle still puts a big smile in your face, but is like the listening a music from the 70's, with some techno in it.

 

[EAGLE 5]

Subaru WINS.

seriously though I'm not a fan of the way Mitsubishi went with the Evo X but as a STi owner I will miss the competition it gave.

 

[Evilevo8]

well this means I will not be selling my 03 Evo VIII GSR.

 

[eSZee]

Subaru WINS.

seriously though I'm not a fan of the way Mitsubishi went with the Evo X but as a STi owner I will miss the competition it gave.

What does subaru win?
If Mitsu comes out with a Colt evo or something along the lines of a small, 4wd hatch at a lower cost that the LanEvo, I don't see a problem. Having said that, I doubt it will happen.

 

[Caio_Reinhardt]

Subaru is where he is because of the EVO...

Even Subaru should thank Mitsubishi for the EVO...

 

[freedomweasel]

It doesn't matter that it has modern platforms...It still has that interior, a Huge V8 that does 8MPG with loads of torque and no horsepower at all, with a suspension that is more soft than a fat dog.

I'm just saying that American Muscle still puts a big smile in your face, but is like the listening a music from the 70's, with some techno in it.

I'm not sure if you are aware of the existence of the 2011 Mustang, (not even talking about the Boss 302 version,) suspension so "soft" that it gets compared to the M3...which also has a huge V8 with extremely similar hp/tq, but worse mpg.

 

[Caio_Reinhardt]

I've seen a couple of videos of the New Mustang...

But you don't criticize the car from your country (I've only seen videos from the US), so I'm waiting him to go to England and try to beat this time in the Top Gear Test Track: 1:25.3 - BMW M3 (E90 Sedan)

Just remembering that the previous GT500 did in:
1:30.0 - Ford Shelby GT500

and the New Camaro did in:
1:27.9 - Chevrolet Camaro SS

So when he get to England and set a better lap time, American Muscle Cars will have changed.

 

[freedomweasel]

I've seen a couple of videos of the New Mustang...

But you don't criticize the car from your country (I've only seen videos from the US), so I'm waiting him to go to England and try to beat this time in the Top Gear Test Track: 1:25.3 - BMW M3 (E90 Sedan)

Just remembering that the previous GT500 did in:
1:30.0 - Ford Shelby GT500

and the New Camaro did in:
1:27.9 - Chevrolet Camaro SS

So when he get to England and set a better lap time, American Muscle Cars will have changed.

There are documented lap times and skidpad/slalom numbers, these numbers come from the same people who said previous gen mustangs were dogs, but whatever floats your boat.


Shelby GT500 1:44.30 (previous gen)
BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.96
Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90
Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75
Nissan GT-R 1:40.45
Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21