[Mod] Gran Turismo 2 plus (bug fixes, restored content and new content) - beta 7 released

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sldonny
hey i’ve been wanting to play the arcade mode but i can’t use my garage because the Simulation disc is V1.2 and i can’t find a V1.2 of the arcade. can i apply the Patch to the 1.1v of the arcade and it’ll sync with the Patched 1.2 simulation disc ? if not will my savegame work if i downgrade to 1.1 in sim mode and patch it with beta 7??
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The US Arcade disc only received one revision so the same exact disc was included with both re-releases, the '1.1' and '1.2' Sim discs. There is however a GT2+ patch available for every release of GT2 that I know of, so any disc you have should be supported. The mod upgrades all discs to the latest revision, so it doesn't matter which version you start with. Think of it as a '1.3' patch.

Savegames are compatible across all revisions and discs of the unmodified game in each region, while GT2+ has its own separate savegame which is supported by both the Arcade and Sim discs regardless of which revision you applied the patch to.
 
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pez2k
The US Arcade disc only received one revision so the same exact disc was included with both re-releases, the '1.1' and '1.2' Sim discs. There is however a GT2+ patch available for every release of GT2 that I know of, so any disc you have should be supported. The mod upgrades all discs to the latest revision, so it doesn't matter which version you start with. Think of it as a '1.3' patch.

Savegames are compatible across all revisions and discs of the unmodified game in each region, while GT2+ has its own separate savegame which is supported by both the Arcade and Sim discs regardless of which revision you applied the patch to.
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thank you for the replies, yeah i kinda figured this out couple hours ago when i tried patching it and seeing if the savegame was compatible after days of hesitating that’s really cool that the patch is able to do that in addition to all the added content
 
sldonny
hey i’ve been wanting to play the arcade mode but i can’t use my garage because the Simulation disc is V1.2 and i can’t find a V1.2 of the arcade. can i apply the Patch to the 1.1v of the arcade and it’ll sync with the Patched 1.2 simulation disc ? if not will my savegame work if i downgrade to 1.1 in sim mode and patch it with beta 7??
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The arcade mode goes up to v1.1 just use the same save/memory card as the simulation mode and you'll be golden
 
I'm currently wondering what to do about the 1999 Opel Vectra GSi for the next version. In vanilla GT2 it's a renamed duplicate of the Vauxhall, but no such Opel model existed as the GSi was actually a modified version of the Vauxhall 2.5 SRi by a UK tuning company.

I have a few ideas on what could be done to solve the car being so inaccurate:

1. Delete it. I did this with the fictional Acuras like the NSX Type S so it would be consistent, but it leaves Opel one car short.
2. Modify it into a 1999 Irmscher i500. I've previously used the i500 name and wheels on it as the GSi used an Irmscher bodykit, however the i500 makes less torque than the GSi and wasn't available as a 5-door, so it would need to be revised into a 4-door bodyshell, moving further away from anything Polyphony made, and clearly isn't the car they intended.
3. Roll it back to the 1998 Vectra 2.0 16V pre-facelift from pre-release builds. However, the pre-release Vectra is a 2.0 SRi, which is another Vauxhall-specific model, so to make an Opel it would need the rear wing to be removed, and a new set of wheels. This would make the Vauxhall SRi prize car fairly redundant, so I would have to consider whether that deserved to be kept or not.
4. Downgrade it to a 1999 2.0 16V. This would need the GSi bumpers and wheels to be replaced with standard Vectra items, and would use the pre-release physics. This would visually match the dealer image for the car, but would again make the Vauxhall SRi a bit useless.
5. Downgrade it to a 1999 2.5 V6. This would need the GSi bumpers and wheels to be replaced with standard Vectra items, and the power to be reduced to 170ps. This would match the dealer image and be a unique combination that didn't match either the Vauxhall 2.0 SRi or 2.5 GSi, but is not necessarily a combination that Polyphony intended to make.
6. Do nothing. Just leave it as it is, wrong but intended to be wrong.

I think I'm probably leaning towards option 4 the most, as it matches the dealer image so we know the 3D model in that spec definitely existed at some point, and we know for sure that a 2.0 16V was planned before the GSi replaced it. It would also look a bit different to the '98 Vauxhall SRi prize car so it's not an exact duplicate.

Any opinions?
 
I mean, isn't every Opel/Vauxhall redundant? Don't know why this one in particular would be a problem in that way. But yeah, I'd either replace it with something that actually exists, or remove it to reclaim some capacity.
 
2lazydontcare
Delete it. Move on to more fruitful endeavors.
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These are the fruitful endeavours, trying to get everything exactly right without removing things of value or inventing too much. It's not the first or the last car I've had to put a lot of thought into revising - I still haven't decided whether the 1966 GT40 is a road or a race car yet, for example.

Hlavco
I mean, isn't every Opel/Vauxhall redundant? Don't know why this one in particular would be a problem in that way.
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It's not that it's redundant or too similar to another car, I could probably delete a hundred cars with that criteria. It's that it's a fictional car, and not just something minor like the Astra where I can swap the SRi name for Sport. I suppose that point is a good reason not to worry about it being redundant having both the Opel Vectra Sport and Vauxhall Vectra SRi though.

I'm not too worried about the space the car takes up, at this point the plans are firm enough and the content optimised enough that the only thing on the backburner that would use that space would be... the cut Vectra Sport 2.0, which leads back to the same discussion.
 
pez2k
Есть какие-нибудь мнения?
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Maybe make a station wagon out of it? Vauxhall - Liftback, Opel - Station Wagon?
P.S. This is a suggestion from from the CIS active GT2 community, where we hold competitions.
 
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DRess_CODE
Maybe make a station wagon out of it? Vauxhall - Liftback, Opel - Station Wagon?
P.S. This is a suggestion from from the CIS active GT2 community, where we hold competitions.
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It's a nice idea, but I'm not an artist, I can't make major modifications to models like that.

As per the comment above too, the goal of this mod is to stay close to what Polyphony intended and avoid creating too many entirely new things. I can tweak car performance and keep it close to Polyphony's style, but I don't have the skill to make visual changes look like their work so I stick to restoring existing and unused models.
 
pez2k
These are the fruitful endeavors
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Didn't you say you had a lot of other things to do on the road to beta 8? This should take a backseat, even if you somehow find logic in what this car was "intended" to be in a version of the game that merges all the regions.
 
pez2k
I'm currently wondering what to do about the 1999 Opel Vectra GSi for the next version. In vanilla GT2 it's a renamed duplicate of the Vauxhall, but no such Opel model existed as the GSi was actually a modified version of the Vauxhall 2.5 SRi by a UK tuning company.

I have a few ideas on what could be done to solve the car being so inaccurate:

1. Delete it. I did this with the fictional Acuras like the NSX Type S so it would be consistent, but it leaves Opel one car short.
2. Modify it into a 1999 Irmscher i500. I've previously used the i500 name and wheels on it as the GSi used an Irmscher bodykit, however the i500 makes less torque than the GSi and wasn't available as a 5-door, so it would need to be revised into a 4-door bodyshell, moving further away from anything Polyphony made, and clearly isn't the car they intended.
3. Roll it back to the 1998 Vectra 2.0 16V pre-facelift from pre-release builds. However, the pre-release Vectra is a 2.0 SRi, which is another Vauxhall-specific model, so to make an Opel it would need the rear wing to be removed, and a new set of wheels. This would make the Vauxhall SRi prize car fairly redundant, so I would have to consider whether that deserved to be kept or not.
4. Downgrade it to a 1999 2.0 16V. This would need the GSi bumpers and wheels to be replaced with standard Vectra items, and would use the pre-release physics. This would visually match the dealer image for the car, but would again make the Vauxhall SRi a bit useless.
5. Downgrade it to a 1999 2.5 V6. This would need the GSi bumpers and wheels to be replaced with standard Vectra items, and the power to be reduced to 170ps. This would match the dealer image and be a unique combination that didn't match either the Vauxhall 2.0 SRi or 2.5 GSi, but is not necessarily a combination that Polyphony intended to make.
6. Do nothing. Just leave it as it is, wrong but intended to be wrong.

I think I'm probably leaning towards option 4 the most, as it matches the dealer image so we know the 3D model in that spec definitely existed at some point, and we know for sure that a 2.0 16V was planned before the GSi replaced it. It would also look a bit different to the '98 Vauxhall SRi prize car so it's not an exact duplicate.

Any opinions?
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For what it's worth, when I was working on Opel/Vauxhall paint stuff, I was planning to turn it into the i500, if only for it's unique Kupfer and Nocturnoblau colors. But I'm not sure I realized it was a different body style back then.

There was apparently an Irmscher hatchback up to 1998, with the same 192hp as the Vauxhall, but it doesn't appear to have the same bodykit.
 
Excuse me for asking - do you have any table with the data of the car in this mod with all the characteristics (including hidden ones), something like in GT4?
This would help us to organize the domestic championship for at least next year.
 
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DRess_CODE
Excuse me for asking - do you have any table with the data of the car in this mod with all the characteristics (including hidden ones), something like in GT4?
This would help us to organize the domestic championship for at least next year.
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I don't currently, no, although I would like to produce something like that at some point, probably more like adeyblue's old data dump than a spreadsheet. His list is still probably mostly correct for GT2+ beta 7, and all of the added cars use existing cars as a base so they shouldn't be doing anything weird.

Personally I don't put too much weight on the various car parameters that don't get shown to the user, as frankly nobody knows for sure what 90% of them actually do. With GT4 it seemed to open up a laser focus on specific things like grip values with requests for mods to change them for certain cars, and I don't really want to get involved in that.
 
alanpurwantia
Is the Gran Turismo 2 Plus save work if i sold all of the Cars from the base game first then i load the game into the Gran Turismo 2 Plus?
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It should work. It's typically just the cars in your garage get messed up, so selling them and buying/winning them again should be fine.
 
alanpurwantia
Is the Gran Turismo 2 Plus save work if i sold all of the Cars from the base game first then i load the game into the Gran Turismo 2 Plus?
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No, the mod uses a separate savegame to the original game to avoid conflicts. You would need to edit the save's game ID to match a save from the mod for it to even be recognised. GT2 also won't let you sell the last car in your garage I believe, to avoid the player soft-locking themselves.
 
Dave A
It should work. It's typically just the cars in your garage get messed up, so selling them and buying/winning them again should be fine.
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Thanks Dave. I appreciated it. I ever did this on Project A-Spec Mods Version 1.2 as well. Selling all the Cars before loading the save on different version of the mod. Anyway both GT2 Plus and A-Spec Mods are 10/10.
 
pez2k
No, the mod uses a separate savegame to the original game to avoid conflicts. You would need to edit the save's game ID to match a save from the mod for it to even be recognised. GT2 also won't let you sell the last car in your garage I believe, to avoid the player soft-locking themselves.
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You can 100% softlock yourself lol (tested on vanilla GT2 PAL)
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MMRivit
You have to also sell the license prize cars and waste the ~Cr. 1,300,000 you get from them to truly softlock yourself but yeah, the game does not stop you from selling your last car.
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For me i instead choose not to sell the license test prize Cars. They gonna be important for every other race event in Gran Turismo 2+.
 
alanpurwantia
And, did GT2 Plus Version has a USA Version or just Japanese or European versions?
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There are download links in the first post for patches for all regions and retail releases of the game and an explicit mention that all known GT2 discs are currently supported, so yes, the US versions are supported.
 
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pez2k
There are download links in the first post for patches for all regions and retail releases of the game and an explicit mention that all known GT2 discs are currently supported, so yes, the US versions are supported.
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Does Gran Turismo 2 Plus Arcade Mode also supported USA Version?
 

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