Montoya in NASCAR Nextel Cup 2007

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It's brilliant marketing if you think about it, most of the millions of F1 viewers in South America will be tuning in to NASCAR every weekend now, add Danica Patrick & NASCAR (already the 800lb gorilla of racing) will be even bigger than it already is.
 
I've been a GTPlanet member since December 5, 2003. And did you know that I have absolutely NO posts in the F1 forum? That trend ends with this post. I'll sort of break down this issue from an analytical point in the "Drifting and Other Motorsports" forum by going into old topics.

As far as this goes, allow me to share my views. I admire Juan Pablo Montoya. He is a great driver and was the only way I'd watch (then) CART. My first CART experience was watching the Texaco Grand Prix of Houston back in 1998. I got to know of Montoya's abilities when it was reported he won three in a row and going for four at Rio de Janerio. JPM ultimately won that race and the championship. Only one to try Montoya out for size then was Dario Franchitti in the days of Kim Green's Kool Racing. Juan Pablo would have a miserable 2000 with engine failures and such. He moved on to Formula One where he did the hardest thing to do in Formula One- win a race. He won about ten of them, right? His best year was 2003 where he had a chance to have some championship hardware. He didn't get it. Now he says he wants to return to racing. The typical American traditionalist would say, "yes! He's leaving a no passing sport for a sport where he can do much better." The usual international traditionalist would say either "wait.... he IS in racing! What is he talking about 'returning to racing?'" Or one would say, "Montoya has won a number of races. Why give up racing the most capable race cars on earth for NASCAR?"

As for his chances in NASCAR, I'll give him about a 45% chance that he becomes a pure competitor and can last the stretch of all these races. That's pretty low for of my personal favorite racing talents. The discriminating American would say that he wouldn't stand a chance against the likes of Jeff Gordon (my favorite NASCAR talent), Tony Stewart (my least favorite NASCAR talent), Jimmie Johnson, and such. Don't assume that just because his talents are mostly in road racing and isn't American that he won't amount to much. He said he wanted to race in NASCAR, not Audi R8 his way through the Daytona to Homestead swing of races. If Marcus Ambrose could snatch a pole in NASCAR trucks, then I'm sure Montoya can be as dominant of a racer as he wants to be. Making the deal sweeter is that he's back with Chip Ganassi. Montoya under Ganassi is going to give him as much of an edge as possible. And I don't want this deal to come down to "non-Americans don't need to compete in an American motorsport." Don't assume anything about this Columbian competing on the American stage. This isn't a case of USA vs. Ghana in the World Cup, Team USA losing to Lithuania(?) in Men's Basketball, or even Team USA's woes in the World Baseball Classic. Look at this on the basis of racing talent and not nationality. There are reasons why I am more about the international perspective than the basis of domestic racers in a domestic series. NASCAR wanted to be international or appeal to an international audience and look what they are going to get. Hell, what if Michael Schmacher or Fernando Alonso decided to hang up F1 and challenge NASCAR? Would you support them as quality talent or write them off because they aren't American and have no clue about stock car racing?

I believe in prosperity. So I'm giving him a 45% chance that he'll succeed. Doesn't mean he's going to win every race or run away with the championship. It just means that he'll kick as much ass as he wants. Out of 100%, how much of a chance do you give Montoya a chance in NASCAR? I will make other posts in other threads to discuss this from an analytical standpoint. I don't visit this forum often, so I'm likely not going to know what responses I get. I'll just leave it as this.
 
Maybe they could let Paffet or Hamilton get a races experience?
 
This is a sad day for me: I'm looking forward to NASCAR next year, and less so towards F1, mainly becuase I'm interested how JPM will be recevied and how he'll perform in another racing series.

There's not much left for him to prove in F1, especially if he can't get a good seat, so why bother...especially if there's another racing series interested, one that's full of "characters". Let's face it, who else has driven in IndyCars and IRL, F3000, F1, and now NASCAR? Nobody yet, that's who.

It's quite a shame his last F1 race was likely that 1st-lap shambles he created in the '06 USGP.
 
:grumpy:

Why are all the driver with a bit of personnality heading towards Nascar? Isn't F1 sanitized enough already?

:( sad news.
 
Good post JohnBM01!

It will be interesting seeing what happens in 2007 now with F1 talent, the possibility of Danica Patrick, and Toyota entering competition as well. This could be the way that NASCAR becomes not just an American sport, but a world sport, and that would be a great thing...
 
This could be the way that NASCAR becomes not just an American sport, but a world sport, and that would be a great thing...

I wouldn't say that just yet. For Nascar to really be a "world" sport, they'd have to race in more places than just the U.S. and Mexico. I would like to see them return to Suzuka and Motegi, and make first-time apperences at some tracks in Europe.

But, they're on the right path to do those things.
 
From what I heard on the radio Montoya may have his fisrt NASCAR start at Watkins Glen Aug 13th.
That would be a good track for him to get a taste of NASCAR.
 
tht sucks. he was always one of my fav drivers. my dad went nuts when montoya announced it. he threw his montoya hat in the trash!!!

o well. gotta make room for
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I'm hoping Ganassi will allow JPM to jump into the Grand Am cars and do whatever races he can in Grand Am.
 
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I wouldn't say that just yet. For Nascar to really be a "world" sport, they'd have to race in more places than just the U.S. and Mexico. I would like to see them return to Suzuka and Motegi, and make first-time apperences at some tracks in Europe.

But, they're on the right path to do those things.

When was the last time they did the special Japan races? 2000? I remember on the last one it rained, and they actually had special windshield wiper attachments and rain tires specially designed for the track.

I'd like to see them go back to Japan, and a run on the 'Ring's F1 Circuit would be interesting. Another good one would be Silverstone, a good way to let the drivers wring the 348ci V8s out, but I don't know how well the series would do internationally.

...But we won't know untill they try...

BTW: Maybe a good way to guage it would be the looks the NASCAR rides got at Goodwood this year...?
 
I don't really know when they had the Japan special race, but wasn't it at Suzuka? The only reason I think that is where it is was is because I remember reading where there was rain during the race and Goodyear having special rain tires for the race. But I also remember something being mentioned that they did not use the whole track at Suzuka.
 
They used the East Course. I once (not anymore) had NASCAR '98, and Suzuka's East Course was in the game.
 
Maybe this is a hint that NASCAR just may be the premier series in the World

Another thing - is F1 a feeder series to NASCAR? From this side of the pond it looks like it.
 
I thought NASCAR raced in Japan back in 1996 (10 years ago, of course)? I think Dale Earnhardt Sr. won the Suzuka event. And I'm not going to say that NASCAR's all of a sudden the latest fashion trend in racing. Come on now. One guy wants to leave F1 for NASCAR and you think NASCAR's established itself as a premier brand? It isn't like 50% of F1 is going to NASCAR to take on American drivers in an American series. What, do you think Scott Speed will hang up F1 and go to NASCAR? The perspective I REFUSE to take is that NASCAR is the premier brand of racing in the world. One F1 guy to an already-popular racing series and all of a sudden it's the best in the world? One guy changes everything? I think not. Some of us here in the States will say it's the best either because there aren't too many non-American series that can hold a candle to NASCAR, or they constantly relegate themselves to motorsport in America and not give a damn about anything foreign. Hell, Schmacher (Michael, of course) could have tried on NASCAR for size and I still wouldn't rate it as the best series in the world. F1 cars are still the ultimate showcase in handling and racing. I don't believe in this "no passing" crap. If Juan Pablo Montoya could go from the back of the pack into a Top 5 or higher, then ANYONE can do that. This is sort of why I've disbanded myself from American mainstream types and some underground types. I still hope J.P. Montoya can have as much fun as he would like. It would probably have been more interesting if Montoya went to the IndyCar Series under Ganassi. Bet you that he'll put Ganassi on the map in the IRL since Scott Dixon.
 
F1 may be the ultimate showcase of car technology, but nascar is one of the most competitive showcases of racing.
 
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Maybe this is a hint that NASCAR just may be the premier series in the World

Another thing - is F1 a feeder series to NASCAR? From this side of the pond it looks like it.

Arguably the premier series in America, but certainly not the world. To be the premier series in the world requires you not to be confined to one continent.

F1 isn't a feeder series into anywhere. Long-term F1 drivers leave it occasionally and have a crack and a different style of racing - usually GT endurance racing or touring cars - whilst the drivers who didn't do so well in F1 drop back into one of the lesser formulae (such as GP2).

I'll be interested to see how JPM does in NASCAR. Now if only I can find a channel that shows it...
 
My lord, here in the states nascar has turned into a three ring circus. From friday till sunday tv just force feeds it to you! :crazy: :)
 
Oh and I do. I was explaining to roo here that nascar is really just a little over done.

maybe more than a little actually:)
 
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