Morgan goes back in time....3 wheels again!

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Very interesting news from CarMagazine......( really nice in my opinion ).:)

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Morgan Threewheeler (2011) first official pictures
By Sarah-Jayne Harrison

First Official Pictures

03 November 2010 16:35


Morgan surprised us all today by going back in time and unveiling the new-for-2011 roadster Threewheeler.

Morgan started out making three-wheelers and from next year it will do so again; between 1909 and 1953 Morgan manufactured around 30,000 three-wheelers. One even won the French Grand Prix in 1913 and Stirling Moss owned one.

And what of the new 2011 Morgan Threewheeler?
The new Morgan will be fitted with the latest 'Screaming Eagle' 1800cc engine from a Harley Davidson married to a five-speed manual transmission from the Mazda.

It's based on a tubular frame wrapped in aluminium superformed bodywork. The leather-padded cockpit will be protected by two rollover bars, but there is no hood available. Morgan claims a kerbweight of 500kg.

That light weight will ensure rapid performance: 0-62mph takes just 4.5sec and top speed is estimated at 115mph.

When can I buy the new Morgan Threewheeler?
The car will be launched at the 2011 Geneva motor show, with UK sales expected in summer 2011. Prices will be announced at launch.

Morgan will build around 800 cars this year; a spokeswoman said that they have no idea what demand will be like for the Threewheeler.

Here's a few of the original ones to compare.

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Awesome. I'd have one. Great choice of engine too, would give it a proper old-school feel.

Wondering if they'd actually be able to produce it though, what with modern safety regulations and such. I suspect a road-legal version might lose some of the charm.
 
Wondering if they'd actually be able to produce it though, what with modern safety regulations and such. I suspect a road-legal version might lose some of the charm.

What if they sold it as a motorcycle? You'll only need to wear a helmet whilst driving but I remember you only needed a bike-licence to drive 3 wheelers in the past in a lot of countries ( not sure that rule still applies, I think it does though ).:)
 
I don't think they can do that any more, at least in the UK. Any three-wheeler must be registered as a car, and you need a car licence to drive them.

And since you have to go to masses of extra trouble to make a three-wheel car stable and safe compared to having an extra wheel, it's why you rarely see production three-wheelers any more.

Obviously there are exceptions like the Carver and T-Rex and some modern eco-cars like the Aptera, but we're talking very low volume here, even sub-Morgan levels. And in the case of the Aptera, still no sign of a production date yet.

I'd assume that if Morgan are entertaining the idea, then they'll want to sell it in profitable numbers.
 
I want it. I really have nothing more to say then that. I love Morgans and this is just ten times cooler because it is old school to core and has three wheels.
 
I don't think they can do that any more, at least in the UK. Any three-wheeler must be registered as a car, and you need a car licence to drive them.

And since you have to go to masses of extra trouble to make a three-wheel car stable and safe compared to having an extra wheel, it's why you rarely see production three-wheelers any more.

Obviously there are exceptions like the Carver and T-Rex and some modern eco-cars like the Aptera, but we're talking very low volume here, even sub-Morgan levels. And in the case of the Aptera, still no sign of a production date yet.

I'd assume that if Morgan are entertaining the idea, then they'll want to sell it in profitable numbers.

Plus the people wanting to buy the car would need a bike license.
 
They're pulling back an almost entirely era design to go with this revival, but it'll be interesting to see what Morgan and others can do with the layout if this turns out to be a success (think VW GX3). I like cars breaking the archetype of an automobile. We'll soon be amidst a ton of cool, useful vehicles. So far, the mainstream is still stuck on the simplest automotive definitions.

"That car's not symmetrical? GrrrrrrrrrrrRAAAAAGE!"

Speaking of the GX3 and what this kind of vehicle this would be registered as, VW scrapped the project because of that exact confusion. They were under too much liability of the vehicle being driven and crashed as if it were a motorcycle, yet it had to be defined as an automobile. They didn't want to risk their image, and seeing as it was a global car they decided to pass on it in favor of developing a new brand or network.
 
heh...I like it. Expected an S&S rather than Screaming Eagle, though...for the crazies, I might have used a Yamaha VMAX mill. A blown VMAX mill.
 
Looks cool, its going to be nice having a 3 wheeler with modern kit and components on board instead of stuff which would be getting on a century old.

I hope the waiting list and the price isn't as crazy as all other Morgan's, I guess this is their equivalent to Aston Martin's Cygnet. Isn't there some law that polluting niche car companies have to produce fuel efficient models to balance the range out?

It would be sweet to put modern alloys on the wheels instead of wire ones, would certainly looks different! I also want a retractable electric hard top, there is certainly plenty of room for one.

Robin.
 
I've always loved Morgan three-wheelers... and I love that they went with a Harley engine... really, the only thing that really fits.

I suppose you could replace that with a Ducati Twin (don't think an inline-four would mount up properly), but what's the point? They went with the Harley for the distinct sound and the fat torque curve... not something you'll get from a smaller displacement screamer.
 
Dude, I actually like this! Except I hate Harley Davidson so that engine has got to go and e replaced by something Japanese or Italian.
 
Hmmmm, unless they get some special dispensation due to low volume production runs I don't see how they are going to be able to release something that bears any relation to the render above... it will never meet impact tests or pedestrian safety regs.

It is awesome though 👍
 
Just a few clips of the original ones as the new one obviously isn't even revealed yet apart from those computer generated images.:)





Enjoy.
 
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Dude, I actually like this! Except I hate Harley Davidson so that engine has got to go and e replaced by something Japanese or Italian.

None of them make crate motors...and a Ducati, being all 90 degrees and water cooled, looks all wrong.

That crate motor thing's why I expected S&S. It's what all the Chopper builders use.
 
I don't see how it wouldn't be technically classed as a 'bike' over here, as we got plenty of "trikes" hanging around.

but a Harley engine? i can hear the protests from both Hog lovers and Morgan purists allready!
 
I've always loved Morgan three-wheelers... and I love that they went with a Harley engine... really, the only thing that really fits.

I suppose you could replace that with a Ducati Twin (don't think an inline-four would mount up properly), but what's the point? They went with the Harley for the distinct sound and the fat torque curve... not something you'll get from a smaller displacement screamer.

I think the only other engine you could use would be a Moto Guzzi engine, since a bunch of their current bikes use air-cooled narrow-angle V-Twins.

I think Ducati engines are technically known as "L" twins since the V is 90 degree.

The other engine that could work is a boxer twin. BMW do plenty. And we've seen BMW engines in Morgans before...
 
I think the only other engine you could use would be a Moto Guzzi engine, since a bunch of their current bikes use air-cooled narrow-angle V-Twins.

I think Ducati engines are technically known as "L" twins since the V is 90 degree.

The other engine that could work is a boxer twin. BMW do plenty. And we've seen BMW engines in Morgans before...

what about one of your motorbike engines? last thing i read concerning british bikes was a BooHoo over the lack of surviving Beezers (BSA's). I mean, hey, if your gonna revive a quintessentially English car, might as well use a Quintessentially English motor.
 
There's no-one making British v-twin bike motors any more. Triumph makes triples, and Norton's recently returned with a parallel twin, and...get this...A wankel. and the Wankel is race only at the moment.

Otherwise...you got these guys.

http://www.sscycle.com/feature/featureview.php?s_id=17

Just one of many engines they make.
 
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@Sniffs: I think hog riders would probably dig a low-to-the-ground three wheeler...

I think the only other engine you could use would be a Moto Guzzi engine, since a bunch of their current bikes use air-cooled narrow-angle V-Twins.

I think Ducati engines are technically known as "L" twins since the V is 90 degree.

The other engine that could work is a boxer twin. BMW do plenty. And we've seen BMW engines in Morgans before...

Didn't really think about the 90 degree angle (pun intended) until I read a few of the posts after mine... I guess Ducati's out and MotoGuzzi is in.

You bring up an interesting point... BMW boxer twins are perfect for this kind of thing... and I have seen boxer powered Morgans and Morgan-style replicas.

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I still don't see what would prevent this being registered as a motorbike, open bodied, bike-engined, bike-tired... disqualifying this would disqualify a motorbike and a sidecar, actually... same thing... side-by-side seating, no roof.
 
Do want! :drool:

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Morgan 3 Wheeler 1.9 115 First Drive
Price as tested £30,000

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What is it?
Forget your McLarens or Bugattis, the Morgan 3 Wheeler is here and it’s by some margin the most exciting car of this or, pretty much, any other decade. It’s a successor to the trike Morgan made between 1909 and 1953, which lapped Brooklands at 100mph and won the French Grand Prix in 1913.

The modern recreation, like the earlier car, is a front V-twin engined, rear-driver. This time it gets a bespoke 1.8-litre motor, built by S&S in the States (S&S started tuning Harley engines, but this is its own unit which is lighter and, well, we’re told better).

It drives through a Mazda MX-5 five-speed gearbox, then through a Harley-style belt to a single rear wheel (no differential, obviously). That rear gets a nice grippy Toyo Proxes tyre while, at the front, there are skinny Avon motorbike tyres.

Given the air-cooled engine hangs out the front too, you might think that would make it rather understeery, but 115bhp through the back wheel promises to provide some balance. It costs £30,000 and Morgan has already taken 480 orders.

What’s it like?
Bonkers, obviously. There’s a removable steering wheel, then you slide down into the seat – a bit wider than a Caterham’s, but still very snug – and push your feet down into the tight footwell. Think Caterham for width down there; narrow shoes are an advantage.

The pedal layout leaves the brake pedal (for the unassisted drum at the rear, small discs at the front) a touch low for heel and toeing, but the pedal weights are all consistent. There’s no assistance for the steering either, but that doesn’t matter – empty of fuel but otherwise complete, the 3 Wheeler weighs around 490kg.

The big engine takes a while to fire. The temptation is to give it some throttle to help it along, but it’s best to just leave the starter turning over until it settles to a lumpy – very lumpy, but endearingly, wonderfully lumpy – burble. Ease out the clutch and there’s a bundle of torque to pull away smoothly and cleanly; throttle response is lovely, very clean, linear. And because the cylinders are nearly a litre each in size, not hyperactive. Just nice.

So you’re off. As speed builds the wheel takes on some lightness at first, then gets more resistance back again as centrifugal forces aim to keep those diddy front wheels going straight. Nonetheless it’s plenty responsive – lean out the side to adjust the mirror and the merest unintentional movement of the wheel changes the Morgan’s line. Man, it’s evocative, watching those wheels bounce up and down.

They do bounce, too. This is a light car and the rear wheel is right behind your back, so when the 3 Wheeler takes a bump – and on the roads surrounding Goodwood House, motor circuit, and racecourse, where we mingled with Festival of Speed traffic for our drive – there are bumps aplenty. They make the driving experience - how shall we call it? – honest. Whatever there is on the road, you feel. You can feel the engineering in the 3 Wheeler, it’s presented to you, placed right in front of you, transmitting road to driver. The grip levels at the front, any slip at the back, it’s all there for you.

The 3 Wheeler still feels a little rough at the edges, and the brakes take some pushing, but I’d expect that. This is probably a car that you get into the more you drive it. I’d like more time and on clearer roads than our drive allowed to really exploit the handling.

What’s certain is that the grip levels are higher than I’d expected, but the initial limit is felt by the front first. At low speeds it’s very easy to bring the rear into play – from rest, if you’re enthusiastic, it’s hard not to. But that’s cool – a slightly sideways take-off seems de rigueur in this kind of car. Tally ho and what-what and all.

There’s no weather gear but there are some little wind deflectors and they’re pretty effective. Buffeting is so limited that a lid is optional – it didn’t even shake my glasses nearly off like it does in most open topped, screen-less cars. Although, if you’re around other traffic, I guess some protective headgear is advisable.

Should I buy one?
Well, there’s a reason that, as I write on day one of Goodwood’s Festival of Speed, 480 people have bought one without driving the darned thing, and still more will have done so by the end of the weekend. If you’re temped, the evidence from this drive is that there’s no compelling reason not to.

Even if a tastier drive later does throw up some handling anomalies, this is still a massively appealing machine – the noise the V-twin makes through its mid-range (it only revs to 6000rpm) would be worth it alone. Throw in the view, the strong acceleration (0-60 is estimated at 4.5sec), the close interaction and, well, just the whole damned loveliness of owning a machine like this, and it’s hard to argue against it. If everyone drove something like this, the motoring world would be a happier place.
 
Certainly, only available in Britain but a must have for every collector in the world. :drool:

Morgan still amuses me as the only original vintage car manufacturer that's still alive. Fantastic.
 
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