Most Stable Group C / LMP [Edited to be shorter]

[[IKickPigeons]]

Well, the Group C car i prefer is the (often forgotten) Peugeot 905 due to its ease of handling in high speeds. Acctually I think it is better than the Pescarolo(s). Can anyone see if they are faster around the Nurb' or Sarthe? I'm not such a good driver that I could get equal laps.

Ive heard some good things about that car, but i also heard

a lot more bad things too. Apparently it has the most

screwed up gearbox in the whole game, which as i

undertand renders the car utterly hopeless and useless.

Sadly, the Puegeot should have been the best Group C car

along with the C9.

 

[whatupdet]

Well, the Group C car i prefer is the (often forgotten) Peugeot 905 due to its ease of handling in high speeds. Acctually I think it is better than the Pescarolo(s). Can anyone see if they are faster around the Nurb' or Sarthe? I'm not such a good driver that I could get equal laps.

It's not a bad car but not a very high top speed. I'll post times later for Sarthe, haven't got around to running tests at the 'Ring yet.

 

[gaminator]

Yeah, that is correct. It does lose a lot of speed during the gear changes, but that is only the lower gears it uses most time to change (Feels like a eternity when you see all the other cars pull away from you. But wait until the gears kick in and you'll be watching them in the rear view mirror.) but the higher gears is pretty much like any other race car in terms of change time. It is also very fast in acceleration and has a decent top speed (aprox. 375 km/h) measured in stock with RM tyres (and maybe a oil change, don't quite remeber).

Edit: She also purr's like a F1 car!

(Give or take a little on the seconds please they where measured using a cellphone)
0-100: 5,8 secs
0-200: 10,6 secs
0-300: 17,9 secs
0-350: 28,7 secs

 

[whatupdet]

Well, the Group C car i prefer is the (often forgotten) Peugeot 905 due to its ease of handling in high speeds. Acctually I think it is better than the Pescarolo(s). Can anyone see if they are faster around the Nurb' or Sarthe?

I hate that it only records top 10, it should be top 50, I mean you don't HAVE to scroll down if you don't want to.

Sarthe II times:

MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V - 2'51.508
Nissan R92CP - 2'51.978
Sauber Mercedes C 9 - 2'52.472
Audi R8 - 2'53.951
Jaguar XJR-9 - 2,56.087
Toyota GT-ONE - 2'56.215
Formula Gran Turismo - 2'57.255
BMW V12 LMR - 2'57.369
Playstation Pescarolo C60 - 2'58.125
Nissan R390 GT1 - 2'59.520
Mazda 787B - 3'01.728
Peugeot 905 - 3'03.169
Pescarolo C60 - 3'05.451
BMW McLaren F1 GTR - 3'10.093

Obviously these times will vary greatly depending on user and modifications done to the car but I figured I'd share my results.
All cars used Racing: Medium tires, had highest NA/Turbo available, Transmission: Racing(or is it called Full Customized because I forget)
Everything else was stock/default settings such as downforce, brakes, suspension and NOS was applied to all cars that allowed it but was not used during testing.
Not that you're interested but if you want times from the 'Ring I can post them later?

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Most stable Group C/LMP is hard to answer, since it depends on the track too. Overall, I`d say the Audi R8, but for the ring I would choose either the C9 or one of the Pescy`s.

As for fastest I`m sure the Toyota GT-One is the fastest with a measured and confirmed 368 mph at the Test course.

 

[wildbillk]

I hate that it only records top 10, it should be top 50, I mean you don't HAVE to scroll down if you don't want to.

Sarthe II times:

MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V - 2'51.508
Nissan R92CP - 2'51.978
Sauber Mercedes C 9 - 2'52.472
Audi R8 - 2'53.951
Jaguar XJR-9 - 2,56.087
Toyota GT-ONE - 2'56.215
Formula Gran Turismo - 2'57.255

...the F1 car was 7th!? I don't have it yet. It's really that lame? I heard it was a let down but man... This does not encourage me to waste my whole weekend at the nurburgring.

 

[Master_Yoda]

...the F1 car was 7th!? I don't have it yet. It's really that lame? I heard it was a let down but man... This does not encourage me to waste my whole weekend at the nurburgring.

No, it's a good car, it's because of the straight, the LMP cars own the F1 in that section of the track.

 

[whatupdet]

...the F1 car was 7th!? I don't have it yet. It's really that lame? I heard it was a let down but man... This does not encourage me to waste my whole weekend at the nurburgring.

It's not lame. It's because Sarthe II has a 6km straight where my other cars tested reached speeds between 230-250MPH whereas the F1 would only hit about 215MPH or so. I can't remember the exact speed but it's around there.
It's well worth the 24hour endurance race!

Edit: I did a rough calculation and if the F1 went at 212MPH for 5km of that straight than it would lose at least 5 seconds and maybe as much as 8 compared to speeds of 20MPH and faster. Right after that long straight where there's another long straight where all cars could reach their top speed and the F1 would again lose about 1-2 seconds. If all things were equal that F1 lap time could have been 10 seconds quicker and thereby putting it in first place. However in a race if you draft you can get the top speed higher than if there's no cars in front of you, obviously.

 

[wildbillk]

Thanks for the info whatupdet, I'm still planning to go for the F1. Wish it wasn't so long though. I have a hard enough time on the ring with a powerful car when I am lucid, but after several hours I'd probably be flying all over the place and I can't count on my stupid B-spec Bob to help since I'll probably lose 5 laps by the time I come back from a break. Another plus though is that after 24 hours in nurburgring, I'll probably ace mission 34 afterwards

 

[whatupdet]

Thanks for the info whatupdet.
Another plus though is that after 24 hours in nurburgring, I'll probably ace mission 34 afterwards

No problem and that's a very optimistic thought! Mission 34 is the single handed hardest race in the whole game IMO.

 

[FMA]

Yeah, that is correct. It does lose a lot of speed during the gear changes, but that is only the lower gears it uses most time to change (Feels like a eternity when you see all the other cars pull away from you. But wait until the gears kick in and you'll be watching them in the rear view mirror.) but the higher gears is pretty much like any other race car in terms of change time. It is also very fast in acceleration and has a decent top speed (aprox. 375 km/h) measured in stock with RM tyres (and maybe a oil change, don't quite remeber).

I bought the car yesterday and went for a time trial at the Nurburgring. The gearbox IS very frustrating around there. The car gets so much time off the throtle between gearchanges that it upsets the handling pretty badly. I nearly lost it at the exit of Pflanzgarten-I because of it, where the Bentley, for instance, just nails it. Maybe at Le Mans that's not so problematic, but at the Nurburgring I found it a real issue (within my capabilities at least).

That said, you get some fun trying to drive around this trait, and as gaminator said, it sounds great

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Check my sig for settings and slight reports on most LMP/GTP/Group C cars, done on Sarthe I (LMP/GTP) and II (Group C).

 

[F310B]

I hate that it only records top 10, it should be top 50, I mean you don't HAVE to scroll down if you don't want to.

Sarthe II times:

MINOLTA Toyota 88C-V - 2'51.508
Nissan R92CP - 2'51.978
Sauber Mercedes C 9 - 2'52.472
Audi R8 - 2'53.951
Jaguar XJR-9 - 2,56.087
Toyota GT-ONE - 2'56.215
Formula Gran Turismo - 2'57.255
BMW V12 LMR - 2'57.369
Playstation Pescarolo C60 - 2'58.125
Nissan R390 GT1 - 2'59.520
Mazda 787B - 3'01.728
Peugeot 905 - 3'03.169
Pescarolo C60 - 3'05.451
BMW McLaren F1 GTR - 3'10.093

Obviously these times will vary greatly depending on user and modifications done to the car but I figured I'd share my results.
All cars used Racing: Medium tires, had highest NA/Turbo available, Transmission: Racing(or is it called Full Customized because I forget)
Everything else was stock/default settings such as downforce, brakes, suspension and NOS was applied to all cars that allowed it but was not used during testing.
Not that you're interested but if you want times from the 'Ring I can post them later?

Interesting that they beat the F1 car, which in general is the fastest car in the game. As has been said it's down to the long straight. However, the LMP/Group C cars you tested had the ridiculous hp upgrades which exist in GT4. I would personally never use those because they are just plain silly!

The fastest car in general out of the Group C cars is the Sauber C9. It is also very stable for a group C car and is great fun to drive at the limit, while still being challenging to get the most out of. However, the R92CP can give it a run for it's money over a single lap and the Pescarolo and Audi R8 can give it a run for it's money over a longer run.

 

[T4 GTR]

The Toyota 7 is group C and all cars are the same stock in GT and Arcade mode as far as I'm aware.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

T4 GTR

 

[Mt. Lynx]

The Toyota 7 is group C and all cars are the same stock in GT and Arcade mode as far as I'm aware.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

T4 GTR

Actually, the Toyota 7 was a Can-Am car AFAIK, not a group C LM car.

The fastest car in general out of the Group C cars is the Sauber C9. It is also very stable for a group C car and is great fun to drive at the limit, while still being challenging to get the most out of. However, the R92CP can give it a run for it's money over a single lap and the Pescarolo and Audi R8 can give it a run for it's money over a longer run.

In my pretty extensive test (see sig) on most LMP/GTP/Group C car the C9 is slower than the R92CP and wears it´s tyres in a similar way. The overall best group C is the 787B, and the best overall LMP/GTP is the Speed 8. Both can do 9 lap stints at La Sarthe, keeping good pace over the laps, and that is unparalleled by any other LM car. Fastest over one lap is the R92CP. This is all without any powerupgrades though.

 

[ImprezaAddict]

Also, how should i fine tune for nurb?

One last thing, I watched the video of the 4.44 min nurb lap. and WOW. How did he do that? How does he keep so much control on that minolta? He didnt even come close to loosing control. He could take turns at full throttle where i have to hit them at 4 or 5 gear. Is he just really good or have really good settings or am i really that bad? The best lap i got was a 5.40 with my fully tuned c9.

That is practicly impossible, if not impossible.

the most stable for me is the Nissan R92CP, just my opinion and only that

 

[F310B]

In my pretty extensive test (see sig) on most LMP/GTP/Group C car the C9 is slower than the R92CP and wears it´s tyres in a similar way. The overall best group C is the 787B, and the best overall LMP/GTP is the Speed 8. Both can do 9 lap stints at La Sarthe, keeping good pace over the laps, and that is unparalleled by any other LM car. Fastest over one lap is the R92CP. This is all without any powerupgrades though.

Well I suppose it depends what you like. The Sauber needs to be driven in a certain way, and I would probably say the same for the Minolta. The Sauber understeers slightly, and the Minolta oversteers, for starters. I did your test in free run and set a 2:59.5 on my first lap with the Sauber. I set a 3:01.5 with the Minolta. I haven't tested an R92CP this way yet.

I guess my laps were faster because of one of three reasons:

A) The fuel was lower in free run (how does fuel work in free run, I have no idea?).
B) I didn't run TC. Your TC is set to 6 or 7, which might save your tyres some over a stint but will lose you at least 1 second per lap exiting corners due to the 'bogging down' effect.
C) I'm just that good

I will have to test the R92CP.

 

[Mt. Lynx]

Well I suppose it depends what you like. The Sauber needs to be driven in a certain way, and I would probably say the same for the Minolta. The Sauber understeers slightly, and the Minolta oversteers, for starters. I did your test in free run and set a 2:59.5 on my first lap with the Sauber. I set a 3:01.5 with the Minolta. I haven't tested an R92CP this way yet.

I guess my laps were faster because of one of three reasons:

A) The fuel was lower in free run (how does fuel work in free run, I have no idea?).
B) I didn't run TC. Your TC is set to 6 or 7, which might save your tyres some over a stint but will lose you at least 1 second per lap exiting corners due to the 'bogging down' effect.
C) I'm just that good

I will have to test the R92CP.

Don´t know either, but I think tyres come into play here too, since there is no tyrewear in freerun.
It could very well be the TC, wich is set that high to save tyres in a 24 hrs race. I usually run with 0-2 TC depending on car and purpose. But it could of course be that you are that good

 

[SavageEvil]

Biggest problem here with testing is that in GT Mode the cars come with hefty HP numbers, some of them that is. The newer LMP cars were given HP boosts in order for them to keep pace with the older Group C's.

Realistically all the Group C cars would trounce the LMPs if they were given their real hp numbers. The way I try to get realistic hp number is in arcade mode, where I reduce the hp to levels which the cars were really at in RL.

The R8, Speed 8, CLK-GTR, both Pescarolos, GT-One and R390 have been given hp boosts, all those cars in real life ran with about 580-650hp, strangely enough the Maclaren is the only car that comes with it's actual real life hp, weird.

Out of the cars I've driven, the C9 is really hard to beat, while it understeers slightly, being the lightest and bolstered by high power makes it the weapon of choice. The Minolta and the R92 are close, sometimes the R92 is better on some courses and others it's the Minolta, but the R92 is slightly heavier and 5 gears, a little slow on the acceleration, but it's top speed is ludicrous. I haven't driven the LMR as of yet, some other cars are just weak, the XJR-9 is an oversteering beast and horrible on tires. The middle of the road car is the 787B, it's pretty much like the Sauber, awesome control, but is a tire saver like the LMP's, it's the endurance king. I think the Pescarolo's have been given some godly like status in this game, they by far have the best tire wear, I smell a rat. Haven't driven the Peugot, have only heard bad things bout this car, in this game. Someone screwed up with the coding purposely.

Again all testing is done in Arcade mode to put hp numbers at real life numbers. You can look up each car and their race ready stats to help you get the numbers as close to real life as possible for your testing.

 

[F310B]

I have done more testing, I even did the Fuji enduro to get the R92CP (I thought I had it, but it turned out to be the R89C! ). Anyway, I conclude that the Sauber is still the fastest around Le Mans by some margin, though the R92CP is reasonably close. The R92CP is the only car that has power to rival the C9, but it loses out on agility, handling and acceleration.

So far I got, using medium tyres front and rear, these times around Le Mans circuit:
Sauber C9: 2:54.0
R92CP: 2:56.0
Minolta: 2:57.1
Mazda 787B: 2:59.5 (only did one run).

The Mazda run was reasonably close to the limit, but I reckon I could go over a second faster. Given that the Mazda has better tyre economy, I reckon the Mazda would be about joint second fastest over a race distance with the R92CP, behind the Sauber C9. That's about how it should be.

The R92CP and Minolta are surprisingly competitive. The R92CP was quite a good car in real life so I can accept that, but the Minolta was nothing special when it raced and seems to have had around 50kg taken off its total weight for no reason. It wouldn't surprise me if the developers were being disingenuously biased towards Toyota, given that this is a Japanese game.

But hey, I'm not complaining too much. At least we have non-Japanese LMP/Group C cars *in* the game, so there can be a bias, which is more than can be said for GT3. It seems to be that the Sauber C9 is the only non-Japanese Group C/LMP car to remotely capture its real life excellence, probably because it is such a *legendary* car.