Most Useless Things in GT4

[Jetboy.]

In my opinion, I would have to say the pick-up trucks and the Honda Odyssey, and not enough selection of Mustangs like there was in GT2.*snip*
I mainly don't see a point in having trucks in a racing game. *snip*
These are just my opinions. But I still enjoy the game overall.

Okay, it seems valid from where you are sitting, in Canada, since large trucks are a very common North American Continental thing. Now, use the expression "Large personal truck" anywhere else and you more than likely get a blank stare. More packed countries (i.e. The UK, Japan, Korea, etc.) do not have such vehicles and in the quest to be the "Automotive Encyclopedia", it's only correct that they are represented. Please, do take notcie how there are 4 American trucks and 1 SUV (The Infinity FX45), one British SUV (That oddly isn't allowed in the series ), and one Japanese pick-up, that is only produced in America and Canada. The ratios tell it all.


To others that have notcied: Very valid point upon the many MX-5's. Even I haven't thought of that, yet there are so many...


Cheers,
Jetboy

 

[samj_13]

Handbrake.

Why put it in if it doesn't make you spinning?

Unlike GT3 were the handbrake was a dream to use...

It's supposed to be used for rallying, or tight corners. Possibly drifting too.

Surely you know what drag is...right? Search wikipedia if you don't

(it's a physics thing)

More of an aerodynamics thing, but then again, aerodynamics has great effects on physics for automobiles.

 

[Sakiale]

The car wash actually cleans your car, if you go long enough without cleaning you get a cool looking matte colored paint, then washing it shines it up again. REally cool.

 

[samj_13]

The car wash actually cleans your car, if you go long enough without cleaning you get a cool looking matte colored paint, then washing it shines it up again. REally cool.

It would be better if GT4 had matte colors instead of all high gloss, metallic, or pearlescent (spelling?) colors, I mean if they were availible to each car.

Thought of one (correct me if this has already been mentioned, I haven't been on top of this thread for a while), Convertibles that you can't put the top down on. Like the Viper SRT-10. That would be awesome to take a picture of a Viper at 150 with the top down, everything flying by, hand on the shifter waiting to unleash 500 hp on the tarmac, man that would be sweet.

Too bad it isn't in there though

 

[Ermac26]

I need to reiterate myself in regards to the Skyline not sold here in Canada. What I meant was they are not sold here like a common Ford Mustang for example. You can't walk to a Nissan dealer and look at a Skyline. This is what I meant. I do realize on the West Coast in British Columbia they are sold but only used.

Okay, it seems valid from where you are sitting, in Canada, since large trucks are a very common North American Continental thing. Now, use the expression "Large personal truck" anywhere else and you more than likely get a blank stare. More packed countries (i.e. The UK, Japan, Korea, etc.) do not have such vehicles and in the quest to be the "Automotive Encyclopedia", it's only correct that they are represented. Please, do take notcie how there are 4 American trucks and 1 SUV (The Infinity FX45), one British SUV (That oddly isn't allowed in the series ), and one Japanese pick-up, that is only produced in America and Canada. The ratios tell it all.

I agree with you on this point. However, my main point was that GT4 is supposed to be a racing game. I understand it's a "Car Encyclopedia" but in my opinion, if people are going to create " the real drving simulator " and have the principle of the game be racing, why put 4 or 5 pick-up trucks in a "racing game" where cars like the Mercedes CLK GTR LM Race Car are involved?? See, to me this is not a car encyclopedia. To me it's just another racing with the exception you can't put decals on your car like in the Need for Speed game series. See the way this game portrays itself is similar to Need for Speed except you can't put neon lights below your car. If you think about this for a second, you can put a spoiler on yuor car and change the rims. Isn't this feature widely used in the Need for Speed Underground series and Most Wanted? To me if you can change rims on yuor car and a spoiler to a car that never had one then you are on yuojr way to becoming another Need for Speed game but you can't add fancy decals and neon lights. GT4 you can change the rims, add a spoiler, and add a NOS system. Aren't these things supposed to be common in Need for Speed???

Don't get me wrong, I've played the first 3 GT games and love GT 1,2, & 4 ( I'm not a fan of GT3 because there are very few cars) but it seems to me that PD is trying to "mimic" Need for Speed but making GT4 a little more realistic, mind you they didn't get the rally portion of the game right.

This is just my 2 cents and doesn't have to be taken seriously but some things this game can do without and somethings this game needs to improve upon. But you guys and gals need to remember, this is only a game and if you read the disclaimer at the start of the game it clearly states that some cars MAY NOT be like their real counterpart in some and/or most cases.

All in all this is a good game and we should expect to see things get better on the aspects they never quite got right yet.

Ciao for now

Ermac26

 

[=V8 Power=]

I mainly don't see a point in having trucks in a racing game.

IMO, if they are going to have trucks in GT4, then lets have trucks. I don't want some cheesy Toyota Tacoma sport truck. If you are gonna have trucks, then lets have some big diesel Ford F-350s that shoot out black smoke when you rev them up It would be kinda like the Escudo, massive power, no control.

 

[Pink_the_Floyd]

IMO, if they are going to have trucks in GT4, then lets have trucks. I don't want some cheesy Toyota Tacoma sport truck. If you are gonna have trucks, then lets have some big diesel Ford F-350s that shoot out black smoke when you rev them up It would be kinda like the Escudo, massive power, no control.

Cheezy Toyota Tacoma?!


A man with no taste for cars...

 

[samj_13]

IMO, if they are going to have trucks in GT4, then lets have trucks. I don't want some cheesy Toyota Tacoma sport truck. If you are gonna have trucks, then lets have some big diesel Ford F-350s that shoot out black smoke when you rev them up It would be kinda like the Escudo, massive power, no control.

to that!

In GT5, if there are trucks, I wanna see some Supertruck Action!!

That would be sweet to take some Macks or Internationals around the 'Ring and only be able to hit 100!!

 

[=V8 Power=]

Cheezy Toyota Tacoma?!


A man with no taste for cars...

The Toyota Tacoma is not a real truck. It does not have a V8, it cannot tow anything more than a few jetskis. It does not have a good 4wd system. It is a Japanese attempt at making a truck. They should stick with cars.

 

[Luca]

The Toyota Tacoma is not a real truck. It does not have a V8, it cannot tow anything more than a few jetskis. It does not have a good 4wd system. It is a Japanese attempt at making a truck. They should stick with cars.

If you want to make fun of a Japanese truck, make fun of the Honda Ridgeline. It's a large truck yet it has only a V6 engine, a crew cab with a short bed and no long bed option, and an AWD system that is primarily FWD and cannot go off road. If the Tacoma isn't a "real truck" because it lacks a V8 option, then the Ford Ranger, Dodge Dakota, and Chevy Colorado aren't real trucks either. Hell, the Colorado doesn't even have a V6, it only goes up to an I-5. But the number of cylinders isn't the only determining factor.

And before you decide that Japanese companies can't make good trucks, maybe you should take a look at the Toyota Tundra and Nissan Titan.

 

[led1013]

I hope they have huge trucks in gt5 I think It would be fun to sling them round a track. But check out this truck http://youtube.com/watch?v=q-Hy1ShqKGY

 

[Dead_Poetic]

Those cummins turbo diesels are no joke, 610 ft lbs stock...they are baaaaad....

 

[samj_13]

The older Cummins sounded much better than the new ones: big, polluting, and powerful.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

And if GT4 really is supposed to have a comprehensive library of cars, why are there so few European and American cars? I'm fine with them including a boatload of plain, everyday Japanese cars but why not have plain, everyday American and European cars too?

All I can say is you should check out GT1. 150 Japanese cars and like 10 American / Euros.

 

[samj_13]

All i can say is you should check out GT1. 150 Japanese cars and like 10 American / Euros.

And now in GT4, the USA has the most maufacturers, but there are still probably more Skylines and RX-7's than American cars in GT4

 

[Luca]

And now in GT4, the USA has the most maufacturers, but there are still probably more Skylines and RX-7's than American cars in GT4

Counting all generations and racing versions, there are:
57 Nissan Skylines
25 Honda NSXs
24 Honda Civics/Integras
22 Mitsubishi Lancers
20 Subaru Imprezas
20 Mazda RX-7s
18 Nissan Silvias
14 Honda S2000s

Oh, and there are only 69 American cars (not counting Eagle, Scion, Infiniti, Lexus, and Acura, all of which sell only rebadged Japanese cars).

The number of Skylines and NSXs and so on is excessive, yet PD left out lots of important American and European cars. Cadillac, for instance, has only the Cien concept car. There's no CTS and no XLR, either of which would have made excellent additions to the library. There's no production version of the Panoz Esperante, and several classic European cars from automakers that are represented in the game are omitted (Aston Martin DB5, Citroen DS, and the old Mini, to name a few).

 

[<_Spike_>]

They at least made a step forward by re-introducing the classic american cars, something I know many people missed in 3

 

[samj_13]

Yes, they do have some sweet muscle cars. We could use a few more though, and maybe a Cadillac with the giant fins, now that would be sweet. Photomode Madness!!

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Counting all generations and racing versions, there are:
57 Nissan Skylines
25 Honda NSXs
24 Honda Civics/Integras
22 Mitsubishi Lancers
20 Subaru Imprezas
20 Mazda RX-7s
18 Nissan Silvias
14 Honda S2000s

Oh, and there are only 69 American cars (not counting Eagle, Scion, Infiniti, Lexus, and Acura, all of which sell only rebadged Japanese cars).

The number of Skylines and NSXs and so on is excessive, yet PD left out lots of important American and European cars. Cadillac, for instance, has only the Cien concept car. There's no CTS and no XLR, either of which would have made excellent additions to the library. There's no production version of the Panoz Esperante, and several classic European cars from automakers that are represented in the game are omitted (Aston Martin DB5, Citroen DS, and the old Mini, to name a few).

I'm not disagreeing with you. GT has always been imbalanced with way too many Japanese cars. Way too many repeats of the same platform. As someone else mentioned in this thread, I think they do it 'cause it's easy for them to program the same car over and over with different paint, and also it helps them achieve their 700+ quota of vehicles. `

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yes, they do have some sweet muscle cars. We could use a few more though, and maybe a Cadillac with the giant fins, now that would be sweet. Photomode Madness!!

In GT2 they had a Plymouth GTX. Perfect lowrider...I kept wishing they'd put an old Impala or a Pontiac GTO as competition. Giant boat-cars!

The car wash actually cleans your car, if you go long enough without cleaning you get a cool looking matte colored paint, then washing it shines it up again. REally cool.

Yeah, the car wash works, I think some people don't notice the difference. Only in GT2 did the car wash NOT work properly. Personally, I like the way cars in GT1, 3, and 4 lose their shine. Some cars look better when they're beaters. But others look better when they're all shined up.

Is the car wash useless? I'd have to say yes. But it's also a part of GT since the beginning, it gives the game a bit of personality. There's some Japanese game that allows you to raise a dinosaur (I forget what it's called). You have to feed it and take care of it or it dies. The car wash is sort of an extension of this.

In real-life, cars that aren't clean have a worse aerodynamic profile and therefore can't go as fast as those that are clean. I'm not sure if this is reflected in GT4 or not.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Dobule post I mean double bost I mean...

 

[=V8 Power=]

And before you decide that Japanese companies can't make good trucks, maybe you should take a look at the Toyota Tundra and Nissan Titan.

Okay the Titan is powerful but it doesn't come with nearly enough configurations. (full bed, short bed, extended cab, crew cab, regular cab) The tundra can't tow as much as domestics can.
You obviously don't really use a truck for what there meant for. Why is it when I drive around in the country, in front of every farm is either a Silverado or a Ford? Because they are waaay more capable than any japanese truck. They can pull more, haul more, and do more than a japanese truck. I'm not hating japanese because they make good cars and SUV's, just not trucks.

And I agree very much about the ridgeline

 

[Michael88]

@ =V8 Power=

Its just like that, if its not american made than its not a true truck right?
Oh god, another crazy alpha-patriot.

 

[=V8 Power=]

Jeez, you people really don't get it.

Correct, at this time only domestics are true trucks.

 

[Luca]

You obviously don't really use a truck for what there meant for. Why is it when I drive around in the country, in front of every farm is either a Silverado or a Ford?

I admit that I've never been a truck person. No one in my family has ever owned one and I've only driven one once (and it was so old and beat up it hardly qualified).

Without getting into a political discussion, I should point out that the main reason you see Fords and Chevys on farms is because demographically, country folks tend to be more conservative than city dwellers, so they're less likely to be willing to buy a new model of truck from a Japanese company. In many cases, these people have been using a particular brand of truck for decades and they're not about to switch. Furthermore, the first serious large Japanese pickup was the Tundra, and it only came out in 1998, so they simply haven't been around long enough to build up a major following the same way the F-150 and Silverado have.

I'm not saying American trucks are bad but I wouldn't say Japanese ones are bad either. They do indeed lack many of the highly versatile body style options that Ford and Chevy have, as well as the heavy duty versions, but they're still good general purpose trucks.

Ahem, well, maybe it's about time we got back to useless things in GT4! I will mention nitrous. It's fun, and it's essential for setting high speed records on the test track, but most of the time it just feels like cheating.

That's more annoying than useless, though. Useless would be the long animations that play for all sorts of things (as many people have mentioned). I just picked up GT3 a couple days ago and that game is so much faster at everything. Of course, GT3 has its own set of problems (races on test track blaaaarrrggh), but it's definitely faster to navigate than GT4.

 

[=V8 Power=]

Useless would be the long animations that play for all sorts of things (as many people have mentioned). I just picked up GT3 a couple days ago and that game is so much faster at everything. Of course, GT3 has its own set of problems (races on test track blaaaarrrggh), but it's definitely faster to navigate than GT4.

I know!! I played GT3 today just to try it out because I hadn't played it in forever. I was amazed at how fast I could navigate the menus.

 

[Jetboy.]

Useless would be the long animations that play for all sorts of things (as many people have mentioned). I just picked up GT3 a couple days ago and that game is so much faster at everything. Of course, GT3 has its own set of problems (races on test track blaaaarrrggh), but it's definitely faster to navigate than GT4.

I know!! I played GT3 today just to try it out because I hadn't played it in forever. I was amazed at how fast I could navigate the menus.

I can't see how you guys complain about waiting an extra second or two. Please, do remember the days of GT1/ GT2. Holy shart did that suck when you decided to fully vamp up a nice car due to the questions below and the worst menu loading times ever..

"Do you want to purchase this part?"
"Install it now?"
"Are you sure?"
"Do you want a hot apple pie with that?"



And, finally, another pointless little thing, that message you get at the end: "Part was installed correctly."

How many of us have stared at our screens the four hundred ninety-sixth time going, "As opposed to what?"

 

[Luca]

I can't see how you guys complain about waiting an extra second or two. Please, do remember the days of GT1/ GT2.

Hehe, I never had a Playstation and I didn't play GT1/2. Lucky me I guess!

You know what? Regardless of menu speed, another thing that GT3 does that makes it hugely faster than GT4 is it puts the parts shop in a single place. Unlike GT4, which makes you go to your own specific manufacturer to buy parts, GT3 lets you get parts for any car by just going to the generic tuning shop.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Okay the Titan is powerful but it doesn't come with nearly enough configurations. (full bed, short bed, extended cab, crew cab, regular cab) The tundra can't tow as much as domestics can.
You obviously don't really use a truck for what there meant for. Why is it when I drive around in the country, in front of every farm is either a Silverado or a Ford? Because they are waaay more capable than any japanese truck. They can pull more, haul more, and do more than a japanese truck. I'm not hating japanese because they make good cars and SUV's, just not trucks.

And I agree very much about the ridgeline

Wrong.
Most of the farms have American trucks, but the reason is not because they are more capable. It's brand loyalty. "My daddy was a [insert American manufacturer here] man, so that makes me a [same company here] man.", or "I've always been a [insert American manufacturer here] man."
If you ask any of those Midwest farm owners why they bought American, I can almost gaurantee you it's because all they have ever known is American. Their parents bought them because the Japanese weren't even selling trucks here, so they are familiar and comfortable with domestic brands.
Also, domestic trucks are NOT superior in ever way. Dodges and Fords are generally preffered for towing (American trucks can generally tow bigger trailers), but that is also do to simple fact that the Japanese don't build the deisel dualies with the gooseneck mounts to haul around these big horse trailers and flatbeds, and other borderline-commercial haulers. It's only been in the last couple years that Japanese full-size trucks have even emerged. Besides, if you take a Japanese truck and an American one of comparable model year and size, the Japanese truck will almost always beat the domestic in bed capacity, being alble to haul more weight than it's rival, even with a slightly smaller bed.

Back on topic...
The most useless feature in GT4? The Driving Hall. It features ridiculous sitiuations that are all the same! Missions 11-34 all go like this:
You are in a [insert test car here]. You will be begining 10-120s behind the lead car. Pull a win out of your ass in 1-3 laps.

 

[samj_13]

@Bone, I have never seen a triple post before!

Anyway, great topics guys.