Motorsports Trivia Thread!

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Cap'n Jack, Dec 2, 2004.

  1. Liquid

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    Only Hans and his son Hans-Joachim carry the name Stuck. At two names it's not correct, I'm afraid.

    Well done! There was an Alberto Rodriguez whose only race was his home race, the 1960 Argentine Grand Prix. He finished 9th for Team Lotus.

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    ???

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    Brabham - Jack, Gary and David Barra333
    Villeneuve - Gilles, Jacques Sr and Jacques daan
    Hill - Graham, Phil and Damon daan
    Fittipaldi - Emerson, Wilson and Christian TenEightyOne
    Winkelhock - Manfred, Joachim and Markus daan
    Rodriguez - Alberto, Ricardo and Pedro TheCracker
    ???
    ???
    ???
     
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    Think I've stumbled across it by accident researching driver names to turn into cats (don't ask), but is it Taylor?
     
  3. Liquid

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    Well, just like David Purr-ley, Niki Meauda and Mike Clawthorn, you are correct! Five unrelated Englishmen called Taylor made sporadic appearances between 1959 and 1966.

    Dennis Taylor had one race, failing to qualify for the 1959 British Grand Prix.
    Henry Taylor was a sometime driver for Reg Parnell Racing 1959-1961.
    Mike Taylor DNFed at the 1959 British Grand Prix and DNSed the 1960 Dutch Grand Prix after a horror crash in practice. He even successfully sued Lotus over it.
    Trevor Taylor was a Lotus driver in the early 1960s, finishing 2nd at the 1962 Dutch Grand Prix.
    John Taylor raced a private Cooper in 1966, scoring a point at Reims before being dying of burns inflicted at the 1966 German Grand Prix.

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    Taylor - Dennis, Trevor, Mike, Henry and John homeforsummer

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    Brabham - Jack, Gary and David Barra333
    Villeneuve - Gilles, Jacques Sr and Jacques daan
    Hill - Graham, Phil and Damon daan
    Fittipaldi - Emerson, Wilson and Christian TenEightyOne
    Winkelhock - Manfred, Joachim and Markus daan
    Rodriguez - Alberto, Ricardo and Pedro TheCracker
    ???
    ???
    ???
     
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    Even Taylor was a lucky guess as I didn't go through the list comprehensively, so I could well have missed others. Narrow time period is fairly unusual.

    Also, I've not been back through it but you've got a slightly different list of names in their descriptions and in the list below. There's an errant Ian in there and no Trevor.
     
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    I'm just going to go through some common names, of which I know there were two, in the hope that there's another somewhere.

    Stewart - Jackie & Jimmy (There's an Ian Stewart in the back of my head but I don't know if he was just a sports car guy.)
    Wilson - Justin & Desire
    Nakajima - Satoru & Kazuki

    And I don't think there's much chance of another Magnusson or Verstappen.
     
  6. Liquid

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    Fixed. :tup:

    Two of those are actually correct.

    Jackie and Jimmy Stewart are joined by fellow Scot Ian Stewart (no relation), whose only race was the 1953 British Grand Prix just like Jimmy Stewart.

    Before Justin Wilson there was Desire Wilson. Before Desire Wilson, Dempsey Wilson competed in the 1958 and 1960 Indy 500s as well as some of the USA GPs around that time too.


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    Taylor - Dennis, Trevor, Mike, Henry and John homeforsummer

    Second Most Common

    Brabham - Jack, Gary and David Barra333
    Villeneuve - Gilles, Jacques Sr and Jacques daan
    Hill - Graham, Phil and Damon daan
    Fittipaldi - Emerson, Wilson and Christian TenEightyOne
    Winkelhock - Manfred, Joachim and Markus daan
    Rodriguez - Alberto, Ricardo and Pedro TheCracker
    Stewart - Ian, Jimmy and Jackie daan
    Wilson - Dempsey, Desire and Justin daan
    ???

    The last name is the hardest. One of the drivers is an Indy driver and the other two are obscure. I'll help you out:

    It's a reasonably common English surname and also a colour.
     
  7. daan

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    Must be Black, Brown or White.
     
  8. Liquid

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    Bingo.

    Alan Brown scored Cooper's first ever points on his debut at the 1952 Swiss Grand Prix and also gave Vanwall their racing debut but not in F1.
    Walter Brown competed at the 1950 and 1951 Indy 500.
    Warwick Brown was an Australian driver who had a cup of coffee for one race weekend, finishing 5 laps down at the 1976 United States Grand Prix.

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    Taylor - Dennis, Trevor, Mike, Henry and John homeforsummer

    Second Most Common

    Brabham - Jack, Gary and David Barra333
    Villeneuve - Gilles, Jacques Sr and Jacques daan
    Hill - Graham, Phil and Damon daan
    Fittipaldi - Emerson, Wilson and Christian TenEightyOne
    Winkelhock - Manfred, Joachim and Markus daan
    Rodriguez - Alberto, Ricardo and Pedro TheCracker
    Stewart - Ian, Jimmy and Jackie daan
    Wilson - Dempsey, Desire and Justin daan
    Brown - Walter, Alan and Warwick daan

    With the most correct, it's your turn to give us a question, daan. :tup:
     
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    Don't rely on me for a question. Anyone else can go if they have one.
     
  10. Liquid

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    Not so much a trivium thing but this website has as its project every Formula One driver (excluding Indy 500) and their Elo rating.

    The top five for a best five-year career period are:

    1 Ayrton Senna 2,178
    2 Michael Schumacher 2,106
    3 Lewis Hamilton 2,060
    4 Sebastian Vettel 2,056
    5 Juan Manuel Fangio 2,053

    Nigel Mansell, 30th on the five-year average list with 1,846, is however the best peak driver in Formula One with an all-time highest peak Elo of 2,248.

    According to the website project the career average Elo rating is 1,500.

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    I hate mathematics, I don't understand Elo or statistics, but it makes for interesting reading nonetheless. There is a methodology section which outlines how these scores are calculated and tabulated. The one criterion that stands out is that DNFs don't count so a driver in an unreliable car is judged only on the times he finished.
     
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    This is one I would like other people to help me out with because I don't actually know.

    We all know that in 1968 Lotus and Gold Leaf was the watershed first sponsorship of a Formula One team.

    When did it first occur in other racing series?
     
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    I'm guessing it would be in America with all their "sponsor" specials that raced at Indy.
     
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    I suspected that the American cars of the 1950s did have more than just their technical partners' decals. I'm just curious for all major series; USAC, NASCAR, BTCC, ATCC, WSPC.
     
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    I can't speak for the rest of the world but in Australia, teams that were sponsored by fuel/oil companies ran racing stripes in the colour of the sponsor. It wasn't until advertising on cars was made legal that logos actually started to appear on the cars. Off the top of my head, I'd say in 1969.

    Allan Moffat is recognised as the first 'professional' racer in the country thanks to his Trans-Am Mustang wearing Coca-Cola sponsorship logos.
     
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    The earliest sponsorship i can see for the BTCC, or British Saloon Car Championship as it was then, was from about 1967. But even then it was little more than suppliers decals and a bigger manufacturers one and that was on the 'works' Alan Mann Escorts. It wasn't until the early 70's when non-suppliers (tyres, brake pads, oil etc) sponsorship started to appear and that tended to be local companies supporting a local driver. In about 72-73 big companies began sponsoring teams - Castrol, Simoniz etc. So that was the first of what you'd class as proper title sponsor liveries. The ETCC may have been a year or so earlier, again with Castrol livery on some Escorts. Alpina fielded 'liveried' BMW 1800/2000s but that was really self promotion.
     
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    At Indy and the USAC national championship circuit in the 1950's there were non-technical sponsors such as Dean Van Lines and Leader Cards. But these appear to be family owned businesses with a personal involvement in racing and not corporate entities who don't appear to show up until the 60's.
     
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    Who, what, where, when?
     
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    Rodger Ward, Kurtis Kraft Offenhauser midget, Sebring 1959.

    They invited the then Indy 500 champion to compete in the first F1 championship US grand prix, and he thought his midget, suited for corners, would be better than the European straight line cars. He was wrong and they were faster everywhere, so it was basically a massive embarrassment for him.
     
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    Ward's 1946 midget racer (with no transmission and outside lever operated rear brakes only) had humbled America's best sports car drivers at twisty Lime Rock earlier in 1959. But with no gears, the little car was hopeless on Sebring's long straights.

    In 1963 I had the pleasure of watching Ward take 2nd to Lloyd Ruby at the NW GP at Pacific Raceways, Kent, Washington, with Ward driving a Cooper-Chevy.

    Below, Rodger Ward passing Jag and Aston at Lime Rock, 1959.
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    Amazing.
     
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    Apart from Baku, what was the last circuit to have a car in the podium that wasn't a Mercedes, Ferrari or Red Bull in F1?
     
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    That must be a long way back. Belgium '98?
     
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    i would think much more recent. A couple of years with a Renault or Williams?
     
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    IIRC it should be Monaco, Perez finished in 3rd in 2016.

    Y'all know wrongly. Graham Hill debuted the famous red, gold and white livery in Spain, at the second race of the 1968 championship; but local icon John Love entered the first round of the season at Kyalami with a Brabham in the orange-and-brown colors of Gunston cigarettes.
     
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    Nope, there's a more recent one
     
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    Ah, cuck... Bottas was still at Williams, wasn't he?
     
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    I'd misunderstood - I was thinking that none were Ferrari, Merc or RBR. D'oh.
     
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    Sadly, remembering the last time someone other than those three is hard enough, let alone none of them.
     
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    Hungary 2012
    Mclaren - Lotus - Lotus
     
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    Canada 2016?
     
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