MUST SEE!! Twin Turbo Ford GT >1000hp!!

[danda]

erm obviously, i did say generally which to me means not always, why dont u 'plop' some nos on your run of the mill engine and blow it up a bit quicker lol PLOP

 

[Bram Turismo]

Well high power reliability is usually credited to the engine design, configuration and tolerences.

For examaple, open up the bottom end of a Nissan RB26 engine and take the look at the difference between it and a run of the mill 350 Chev bottom end (later run of the mill gen III Chev engines have improved). You will see much more journal support, some with oil squirter to cool pistons, thicker webbing and very tight tolences (All RB turbo engines bearings/pistons are graded individually), these engines were crafted by Nissan for endurance racing and with the very smooth I6 design keep the engine very reliable for a fairly small engine with big power.

The 2JZ is much the same, so they can run big power reliably on standard internals, while I could go get a standard rough run of the mill larger engine and plop a big turbo on it and it would explode quickly even with the correct fuelling and tune. Many engines can make larger peak numbers but don't expect them to keep it up. Displacement and more cylinders help but the engine really needs to be designed correctly in the first place, some are, some arn't, displacement alone is not a indicator on how much power the engine can cope with.

Good post, nice to read, +Rep 👍

 

[danda]

i cant see anywhere that i said it is only down to displacement that indicates how much power an engine can cope, i was just pointing out that no one had mentioned anything to do with it, nice use of the word plop by the way i would usually use that word when im talking about going to number 2s, not that i make a habit of talking about that

 

[Leonidae]

Ford GT's engine is basically from Ford's F-class truck, am I right? thus, it's also been designed to take way more stress ( like towing, transporting heavy loads from place A to place B etc) than average sportscar engine, ( which just has to move the car's light weight, passangers and their possible weekend luggage) so it leads me to believe, that GT's engine can take extra power bit more easily and last longer, since it's not as near to the limits of it's design as these mentioned sportscars engines. I know the abilities of RB series (2000bhp with methanol, won't last that long..) and Supras 2JZ ( about the same as RB), but I also know that they have their limits.

 

[danda]

yes the engine in the GT is a tuned version of the same engine as the F150 lightning SVT and the mustang SVT too i think

 

[Revheadnz]

Ford GT's engine is basically from Ford's F-class truck, am I right? thus, it's also been designed to take way more stress ( like towing, transporting heavy loads from place A to place B etc) than average sportscar engine, ( which just has to move the car's light weight, passangers and their possible weekend luggage) so it leads me to believe, that GT's engine can take extra power bit more easily and last longer, since it's not as near to the limits of it's design as these mentioned sportscars engines. I know the abilities of RB series (2000bhp with methanol, won't last that long..) and Supras 2JZ ( about the same as RB), but I also know that they have their limits.

No offense man but wouldn't diesel engines be the best in the world for making massive power then? They are more often used in commercial vehicles "towing, transporting heavy loads from place A to place B etc" and they are also built to withstand the diesel fuel combustion process which is far more stressful on componetry than petrol combustion so the parts are built to handle it.

Like ViperGTSR said, the engine design matters more than the actual physical strength or displacement of the engine when it comes to making big power. Great design is not the be all and end all of making high horsepower but starting with a good base engine is the best way to start making power.

BTW I have yet to see a RB engine get anywhere near 2000hp. The quickest and fastest GTRs in the world have, at the very most, 1300whp which is about, what 1600hp at the flywheel?

 

[Jay]

BTW I have yet to see a RB engine get anywhere near 2000hp. The quickest and fastest GTRs in the world have, at the very most, 1300whp which is about, what 1600hp at the flywheel?

Heatworks R32 is making around 1800hp or so.

 

[Revheadnz]

Heatworks R32 is making around 1800hp or so.

Ah, ok. Still, do you think that it is realistically within the limits of the engine to make 2000hp for even a short time? I mean, surely there is an actual limit to how much power you can make?

And do you mean Heat Treatments...

 

[Jay]

Ah, ok. Still, do you think that it is realistically within the limits of the engine to make 2000hp for even a short time? I mean, surely there is an actual limit to how much power you can make?

And do you mean Heat Treatments...

Yeah sorry I meant Heat treatments

Yeah I think it could make a 2000hp burst, supposedly it still has some left but I think they are being safer with it right now and it seems to be running great, but this is no top fueler engine where they expect to rebuild it all the time.


I do think we are a bit off topic now though, this thread is really about this monster Ford GT.

 

[Revheadnz]

Yeah sorry I meant Heat treatments

Yeah I think it could make a 2000hp burst, supposedly it still has some left but I think they are being safer with it right now and it seems to be running great, but this is no top fueler engine where they expect to rebuild it all the time.

Wow, this is getting crazy. Knocking on the door of 2000hp from 2.6L, 6 cylinder turbo is pretty insane. Almost 800hp per litre. Comparing that to the Turbo GT this thread is about , about 180hp per litre. I know ones a full drag motor and the other is a street car but the GT would need to make about 4300hp to have the same hp/litre

 

[Scaff]

Ford GT's engine is basically from Ford's F-class truck, am I right?

yes the engine in the GT is a tuned version of the same engine as the F150 lightning SVT and the mustang SVT too i think

Yes and also by quite a long way no.

The GT's engine did start life (in very basic design layout) as the same engine used in the SVT's but the end product is quite significantly different. Not only was a full FEA stress analysis programme carried out, but the resting data used to significantly strengthen the engine design and totally different materials were used to produce the unit itself.


It was a significant enough re-design and manufacture to warrant an SAE paper on it.







The full .pdf document can be downloaded here

http://www.roushind.com/news_downloads/tech_papers/2004-01-1252.pdf

Along with an another that may also be of interest to some, regarding the cooling issues they encountered and resolved.

http://www.roushind.com/news_downloads/tech_papers/2004-01-1257.pdf

Regards

Scaff

 

[GT4_Rule]

Purely amazing.

 

[Tornado]

To add to Scaff's excellent post, The Ford GT engine is the exact same dimensions and everything of the SVT Lightning and Shelby GT500 motor, but it is cast in aluminum instead of the iron they are in every other application of the modular engine. It is the same idea as the original Dodge Viper engine was technically based on the LA series small block from the Dodge Ram, but in practice was essentially a completely different motor.

Oh and since when did you changed your subject on my question? How much HP you can make out of a "STOCK" engine is only worse for the reliability, as we all know, the V's may provide rediculous amounts of power and torque, their reliability is as worse as a Lada...

Maybe an aluminum block. But if the GT used the iron modular engine like every other applicatrion of the motor is I'm sure it would match neck and neck with the Supra.

 

[CDailey]

Here's the site of the tuning shop that tuned that GT.

http://stage6motorsports.com/s6_fordgt.html

 

[=V8 Power=]

http://www.nmratv.com/index.php?str...legaltv.com/video/sema/Fri-SCT.flv&playlist=1

Thats an interview with it. I believe that video is more recent than their website due to the paint job...