My Dad's just purchased a Jaguar X-Type 3.0 V6!

[amp88]

Yes, they are. Evidently Dodge borrowed a number of features from the GTS-R when they built the SRT-10.

However, when most people speak of the "new Viper", what they usually mean is this little number here.

Yep, I know about the new car, I've seen it numerous times (I may not like most American cars, but that doesn't mean I'm totally ignorant about them). I've seen it numerous times (Gumball, Top Gear, Motorweek etc).

 

[McLaren]

That's what I said.
The Concept was more of a car to show what designs were to come than an actual car.

 

[Elegy]

(I may not like most American cars, but that doesn't mean I'm totally ignorant about them).

No accusations of such were intended.

 

[Driftster]

Why does everyone draw such a huge line between the GTS-R and the Dodge Competiton coupe? I really want to know what the difference is.

 

[amp88]

No accusations of such were intended.

Cool, sorry about that. That's twice tonight I've got the wrong impression from a post...perhaps I shouldn't be watching Columbo when I post. He's making me suspicious

Apologies again

 

[Elegy]

Uh...they're different cars? *crickets chirp* Okay, that was a bad joke.

Seriously: The GTS-R Concept has less BHP and torque than the Competition Coupe. The Concept also still uses the old-school 8.0 liter V-10, while the Competition Coupe uses the 8.3 liter version.

In a nutshell, the GTS-R is based off the GTS, while the Competition Coupe is based off the SRT-10.

Cool, sorry about that. That's twice tonight I've got the wrong impression from a post...perhaps I shouldn't be watching Columbo when I post. He's making me suspicious.

Believe me, I know how hard it is to guess tone when all you've got to go by is text. Think nothing of it.

 

[McLaren]

Uh...they're different cars? *crickets chirp* Okay, that was a bad joke.

Seriously: The GTS-R Concept has less BHP and torque than the Competition Coupe. The Concept also still uses the old-school 8.0 liter V-10, while the Competition Coupe uses the 8.3 liter version.

In a nutshell, the GTS-R is based off the GTS, while the Competition Coupe is based off the SRT-10.



Believe me, I know how hard it is to guess tone when all you've got to go by is text. Think nothing of it.

I think the GTSR from '98 is based on the GTS, while the Comp. Coupe seems more based from the GTSR Concept.
But in conclusion, the race chassis is based on the SRT-10, while the original body was based on the concept.

 

[Elegy]

I'd put the line more like this:

GTS > GTS-R > SRT-10 > Competition Coupe.

 

[G.T]

Ha, suddenly from Chrysler 300 to Viper.

I think we're finished here as my Dad isn't getting the car anymore.

*click*

 

[G.T]

Right guys. I somehow managed to get my Dad to look at the Jaguar S-Type 2nd hand. This means the car is alot cheaper and there is a much better chance of getting it. Will be looking at it tommorow hopefully.

He's so far wanting to look at the 2.5 V6, but I'll try and convince him to go for the 3.0 V6.

Thanks Famine for your recommendation.

 

[1X83Z]

Are you kidding? Someone actually wants that outdated pile of trash? Come on. Anything is better.

 

[CKG22]

Would someone please explain to me whats wrong with jags?
We had a '97 XJR. Sold in '04 for a DB7GT, with around 75k on the clock.
No major problems, other than the SC'er whine.
Great car, if you ask me. About $63k new.
Very great looking, inside and out. Highquality interior leater and *gasp* real wood, unlike the "effect" wood they put in a 300.
Very fun, and sporty to drive - peppy performance. When you floored that thing, It'd go like hell. Only problems were the built-in phone (had some technical issues), and the pre-historic J-Gate that Needs to go.
Honestly, behind the Quattroporte (Which is runs very pricey and has long waits), this is what I'd take if I had to buy a super-sedan under $100kUS. Especially with the new aluminum body. Awesome! not a M5, 750, E55, or any of those, they're boring, ugly, and played-out, if you ask me. I'll take the simple classy, classic Jag.

 

[CKG22]

Are you kidding? Someone actually wants that outdated pile of trash? Come on. Anything is better.

Eh, me n my homiez over here might be able to hook 'em up with somethin' fly.

 

[1X83Z]

Even that god forsaken Porsche is better than the outdated, overpriced, underpowered, dynamically poor piece of crap that is a Jaguar, any Jaguar.

 

[Elegy]

The only thing I don't like about the S-type is its front grille design. That central tri-oval reminds me a bit of the Ford Edsel, to be honest. Other than that, though...it's not really a bad car AFAIK.

 

[Famine]

Even that god forsaken Porsche is better than the outdated, overpriced, underpowered, dynamically poor piece of crap that is a Jaguar, any Jaguar.

You've missed the point of Jaguar, I fear.

My dad loves his. Funnily he doesn't feel the need to drive to 60mph as quick as he can from rest, cover a standing quarter mile in 13 seconds or do 155mph everywhere. He's somehow bypassed the requirement to pull 1 lateral G around every corner.

What he does do is get in a full walnut and leather interior (and I mean FULL - the grabhandles are leather trimmed), insert the key and have the seat and steering column adjust themselves to exactly how he likes them. He puts the climate control on so that it's exactly the temperature he likes, flip the stereo on to exactly what he likes (with the wheel controls) and then waft down the motorway at 80mph in complete and total silence (other than the stereo, of course).

He suffers no road rage - he's too relaxed, which is good for his heavily crosswired heart. He gets let out of junctions by everyone, including truckers, white van man and the tosspot in the bewinged Corsa. He gets from A to B with no fuss, no drama, no worries, no stress and gets out at the other end exactly as fresh as when he got in.

All this from a two-year old car for the same price as a brand new, bottom of the range, poverty spec Mondeo. HOW it's overpriced to someone who drives $82,000 of Mercedes is beyond me.

 

[Pebb]

I see you took my word for an S-Type.

 

[Famine]

Cool. I appear to have cloned myself. Pity the nice avatar and indigo text didn't make it across in the process though...

 

[1X83Z]

You've missed the point of Jaguar, I fear.

My dad loves his. Funnily he doesn't feel the need to drive to 60mph as quick as he can from rest, cover a standing quarter mile in 13 seconds or do 155mph everywhere. He's somehow bypassed the requirement to pull 1 lateral G around every corner.

What he does do is get in a full walnut and leather interior (and I mean FULL - the grabhandles are leather trimmed), insert the key and have the seat and steering column adjust themselves to exactly how he likes them. He puts the climate control on so that it's exactly the temperature he likes, flip the stereo on to exactly what he likes (with the wheel controls) and then waft down the motorway at 80mph in complete and total silence (other than the stereo, of course).

He suffers no road rage - he's too relaxed, which is good for his heavily crosswired heart. He gets let out of junctions by everyone, including truckers, white van man and the tosspot in the bewinged Corsa. He gets from A to B with no fuss, no drama, no worries, no stress and gets out at the other end exactly as fresh as when he got in.

All this from a two-year old car for the same price as a brand new, bottom of the range, poverty spec Mondeo. HOW it's overpriced to someone who drives $82,000 of Mercedes is beyond me.

Because here, you can do all that for notably less money - we have something called Lincoln, which sells highway cruiser of the year Town Car (with a 4.6-liter V8) for $2k less than a base S-Type (with a 3.0L V6). Furthermore, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Lincoln also sells a version of the Jaguar S-Type here called the LS - base price of that is a hefty $12k less than a base S-Type, with the same engine (granted, the S-Type does have a shocking three horsepower gain).

Or you can move over to Buick and pick up a top-range Park Avenue Ultra, which is loaded with more features than any Jaguar without options could ever wish. This vehicle has a supercharged 3.8-liter V6 with more power than Jaguar's 3-liter, and is among the quieter vehicles I've ever ridden in. Base price? $4k less than a base S-Type.

Cadillac's another brand that'll give you a good deal on a highway cruiser. The feature-laden Deville starts at $2k more than an S-Type, but with 40 more horsepower and lots more standard features. Or you could go down a notch to the rear-drive STS and get basically the same car as a base S-Type except with 20 more horsepower and for $4k less.

Perhaps in the UK you guys think Jaguar is a good deal, but around here, Jaguar is for suckers. If you wanted a dynamically crappy highway car, domestic brands offer great solutions for good money. Meanwhile if you wanted dynamics and performance, other European brands are there to steal the show. Jaguar's in trouble. Case in point: the X-Type didn't even sell a third of what they thought it would, and this year they cancelled the model's base engine. Their sales prediction for the all-new 2005 X-Type wagon? 100. Per year. Judging by the fact that I was on a Jaguar lot last weekend and didn't see one (and it's been out since February and I still haven't seen one), I'd say that was a liberal estimate. In the US, Jaguar is a floundering brand.

 

[a6m5]

M5: You know I love you and respect you, but Lincoln has no style. LS looks like a Special Olympics BMW:

NICE!

Not so nice.

Towncar's OK, but still no Jag

My personal pick out of the three would the Lincoln Town Car, because I like BIG luxury cars. Jaguar has more class and style though, and those things do matter in luxury cars, IMO.

 

[1X83Z]

I'll admit the Jag looks decently, but looks come at a hefty price premium for the Jaguar.

 

[a6m5]

I'll admit the Jag looks decently, but looks come at a hefty price premium for the Jaguar.

You call it "decently", I call it " ".

 

[Famine]

Because here, you can do all that for notably less money - we have something called Lincoln, which sells highway cruiser of the year Town Car (with a 4.6-liter V8) for $2k less than a base S-Type (with a 3.0L V6). Furthermore, I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Lincoln also sells a version of the Jaguar S-Type here called the LS - base price of that is a hefty $12k less than a base S-Type, with the same engine (granted, the S-Type does have a shocking three horsepower gain).

Or you can move over to Buick and pick up a top-range Park Avenue Ultra, which is loaded with more features than any Jaguar without options could ever wish. This vehicle has a supercharged 3.8-liter V6 with more power than Jaguar's 3-liter, and is among the quieter vehicles I've ever ridden in. Base price? $4k less than a base S-Type.

Cadillac's another brand that'll give you a good deal on a highway cruiser. The feature-laden Deville starts at $2k more than an S-Type, but with 40 more horsepower and lots more standard features. Or you could go down a notch to the rear-drive STS and get basically the same car as a base S-Type except with 20 more horsepower and for $4k less.

Perhaps in the UK you guys think Jaguar is a good deal, but around here, Jaguar is for suckers. If you wanted a dynamically crappy highway car, domestic brands offer great solutions for good money. Meanwhile if you wanted dynamics and performance, other European brands are there to steal the show. Jaguar's in trouble. Case in point: the X-Type didn't even sell a third of what they thought it would, and this year they cancelled the model's base engine. Their sales prediction for the all-new 2005 X-Type wagon? 100. Per year. Judging by the fact that I was on a Jaguar lot last weekend and didn't see one (and it's been out since February and I still haven't seen one), I'd say that was a liberal estimate. In the US, Jaguar is a floundering brand.

I've been waiting some time to say this...

I don't care about the US market. I was talking about the UK market, since that's the only one I have knowledge of - and where G.T's dad is buying his car...



Mind you, we also weren't talking new. For a 53-reg (1.5 year old) 2.5V6 SE S-Type you'll be ponying up the equivalent of $20,000 and you get more features than you know what to do with.

The X-Type is a poor example. The XK8/XJ/S-Type are all Jaguars. The X-Type is a Ford Mondeo in drag and everyone knows it. However, the remainder are pretty popular cars here. Against the similarly-priced S-Type R, the 300C has NO answers.


It's not about horsepower and dynamics. If you're in a Jaguar S-Type or XJ you don't car who's got 3 more this or 20 more torques. If you want luxury and you're not a big enough earner to go Maybach, Bentley or Aston Martin, you can go Jaguar. It's a FAR better car than you give (or I gave...) it credit.

 

[G.T]

Guys, I've done a used car search and we haven't had much luck to what we want. I've managed to find some cars at dealers that the official site couldn't find ( ) so I may have missed some.

We did look at an S-Type in a showroom today, and liked it very much. It's the problem of finding a used one under £20,000 and being an auto without it having too much mileage and being too old. I must admit my Dad loved the quality of the car.

Because of the problem finding an S-Type, my Dad is looking at an X-Type instead (don't know what brought that on). I looked on some dealers offical sites and found some cars, but when I did a used car search on their official site, they never appeared to find them, so again, I may have missed some cars on sale.

The future is looking bleak at the moment. I'm not sure what he's going to do. He might test drive one of the S-Type's I've found, maybe even the X-Type's. We'll just have to wait and see.

@M5. Shame on you that you think the S-Type is outdated and usless.

 

[Famine]

We did look at an S-Type in a showroom today, and liked it very much. It's the problem of finding a used one under £20,000 and being an auto without it having too much mileage and being too old.

You're kidding, right?

 

[Dave A]

The S-Type is class, they're well built, comfey, stylish, have plenty of room, what more do you want from a luxury saloon. I find it funny that you describe the Jag exactley as we would discribe the Lincoln or a Cadillac. And as Famine said, in the UK they arn't overpriced, it's like bringing certain US cars over here, the cost of importing them gets made up for by increased prices when the numbers sold is expected to be low.

 

[Elegy]

Moral of the story: unless you're certain a car's performance makes it worth the cost or just really, really like a car that you can't get normally...it's usually better to stick to domestic stuff, wherever you might be.

 

[1X83Z]

I've been waiting some time to say this...

I don't care about the US market. I was talking about the UK market, since that's the only one I have knowledge of - and where G.T's dad is buying his car...

Yes - but HA! Ha ha ha! I was dissing the car from the perspective of the US market, not of the UK market!!! Ha, you thought you had me outsmarted there, didn't you? But alas! M5Power triumphs.

M5Power will always triumph.

Speaking of Triumph, there's another ****ty British brand.

Speaking of ****ty British brands, can I name a single one that ... isn't ****ty? And yes, I hate TVR.

Mind you, we also weren't talking new. For a 53-reg (1.5 year old) 2.5V6 SE S-Type you'll be ponying up the equivalent of $20,000 and you get more features than you know what to do with.

You can get a 2004 S-Type for $20k? Man - fleets and high initial costs kill the UK market for depreciation.

The X-Type is a poor example. The XK8/XJ/S-Type are all Jaguars. The X-Type is a Ford Mondeo in drag and everyone knows it. However, the remainder are pretty popular cars here. Against the similarly-priced S-Type R, the 300C has NO answers.

Man. You Brits and your damn taxes and your damn pricing and your damn everything. A base 300C here is $11k cheaper than a base S-Type. It's also $26k cheaper than a base S-Type R. You guys get so screwed that if I lived in the UK, I'd immediately move to a country where screwing the populous wasn't part of the government's purpose.

It's not about horsepower and dynamics. If you're in a Jaguar S-Type or XJ you don't car who's got 3 more this or 20 more torques.

Well that was just a minor part of my point...

 

[G.T]

You're kidding, right?

He doesn't really want one over 20,000 miles really, so that limits it down to 5 results.

 

[Famine]

5 more than none - and that's only in the Portsmouth area.