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baldgye
Leclerc looking to have another crack at being Ferrari's first winner of 2019
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And in a weekend where Ferrari are on top form :D
 
TenEightyOne
Over 10s of thousands of miles of qualifying it only ever causes a problem when teams and drivers don't do their job right. It isn't a problem. There are too many overbearing rules in F1 as it is, that's what's killing the show if anything is.
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This happens nearly every race. Just look at that log jam at the end of Q3. At least 3 instances today alone. It IS a problem.

In balance, I do want to see less rules and regs. But I want to see the drivers put in their fastest lap without all of this dog and pony show.
 
Jubby
This happens nearly every race. Just look at that log jam at the end of Q3. At least 3 instances today alone. It IS a problem.
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I disagree, and the way we've actually got a good grid at a good track backs me up. In my opinion, as is surely obvious.
 
Woot Woot! Leclerc sets a damn-near sub 1.03 lap, getting his 2nd pole of the year. Gutted for Vettel, though, "hopefully" his issue won't show up on both of the 'rarris.

Also, props to KMAG and Alfa Romeo, both entities did very well at this round. Should be interesting to see how they get on in the race tomorrow.

With Lewis getting a likely grid penalty, and holding up the grid during Q3, Bottas suddenly looks like he has the potential to be the top Merc tomorrow. Let's see if that translates into results.
 
1 shot qualifying is better, sure it sacrifices action on Saturday but in return gives better action on Sunday, Maximum Pressure laps are sure to have a few drivers spill the beans.

Even a Compromise of doing Q1 and Q2 and have Q3 later as a Shootout would be fine for me.
 
If Hamilton gets the expected three-place grid penalty, he should start behind another Brit for the first time since I think the 2012 Japanese Grand Prix, because Norris is in fifth following Magnussen's penalty...
 
Supercars have a decent, albeit a little confusing, qualifying format for short circuits which could be modified for F1:

Practice

The top 10 drivers in Friday’s combined practice order will skip the first phase on Saturday, earning a direct path to Qualifying 2.

For Sunday qualifying, the same applies to an additional 20-minute practice session that morning.

Qualifying 1

The drivers that finished 11th to 26th in the applicable practice standings hit the track for 10 minutes.

From that group of 16, the fastest six progress to Qualifying 2, while the others fill positions 17th to 26th.

Qualifying 2

The top 10 drivers from practice join the action, with the fastest six from Qualifying 1.

From the times set in this 10-minute segment, the top 10 progress to Qualifying 3, while the others fill positions 11th to 16th.

Qualifying 3

The top 10 drivers from Qualifying 2 fight it out for ARMOR ALL Pole Position, setting the first five rows of the grid in the process.
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Throw in a one shot Top Ten Shootout for Q3 and we’re golden.
 
Three place grid penalty for Russell, presumably Hamilton's penalty will be announced momentarily. Russell can only actually move back one place... not sure what the procedure is if somebody goes to the back of the grid for mechanical/procedural reasons - does Russell then get put behind them?
 
Hamilton has been given a 3 place grid penalty as well as a penalty point on his superlicense.

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zzz_pt
Wouldn't it be 3rd? ^^
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I didn't even know where he'd qualified, but if you treat it as a continuum, Hamilton would be promoted from pole in France to last in Austria behind Kubica, then Bottas into first in France with Russell behind him.

This is a lot of brain effort for a dumb quip :lol:

Edit: Hmm



Kimi definitely changed his approach to the corner as a result of Hamilton's presence, but it doesn't entirely look like he'd have needed to. Of course he wouldn't have known that...
 
As a Lewis fan it was the right decision, but as a race fan pretty sad that we probably won’t get to see a proper race for the win.

I don’t think the Red Bull has the race pace of the Ferrari... that said Red Bull more than has the measure of Ferrari when it comes to strategy... be interesting to see how fast Lewis can get onto the back of Bottas and if he can. Not sure what Vettel can do??
T1 will sure be ingesting !!
 
baldgye
As a Lewis fan it was the right decision, but as a race fan pretty sad that we probably won’t get to see a proper race for the win.

I don’t think the Red Bull has the race pace of the Ferrari... that said Red Bull more than has the measure of Ferrari when it comes to strategy... be interesting to see how fast Lewis can get onto the back of Bottas and if he can. Not sure what Vettel can do??
T1 will sure be ingesting !!
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I think Lewis getting that penalty might mix things up even more. Him and Vettel completely out of position should make for a very interesting race tomorrow assuming of course they both have the pace to push forward and fight for the podium.
 
Famine
If Hamilton gets the expected three-place grid penalty, he should start behind another Brit for the first time since I think the 2012 Japanese Grand Prix, because Norris is in fifth following Magnussen's penalty...
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Technically the 2014 Hungarian GP too when he started from the pit lane behind Button and Chilton.
 
@Famine, I couldn't help myself so I had to look, but it's actually Belgium 2016 when he started behind Button and Palmer.
 
Jubby
This happens nearly every race. Just look at that log jam at the end of Q3. At least 3 instances today alone. It IS a problem.

In balance, I do want to see less rules and regs. But I want to see the drivers put in their fastest lap without all of this dog and pony show.
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It's specific to the nature of this track. It's not only one of the shortest, but it provides ample opportunity to gain time from a slipstream of a car ahead. It cost a few guys, and penalties were handed out accordingly.

Of all the things wrong with F1, qualifying is close to the bottom of that list. The sport already made the mistake of thinking otherwise
 
How the baws is Hamilton 4th after a three-place grid penalty from 2nd?

The only way I can see that making any kind of sense is if the grid is calculated first by race incident penalties and then by technical penalties, so Hamilton is moved to 5th, between Magnussen and Norris, then Magnussen takes his (gearbox?) technical penalty, leaving Hamilton 4th...

... but why would anyone do that?
 
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Charles and Max in the front row will be mad.
 
Famine
How the baws is Hamilton 4th after a three-place grid penalty from 2nd?

The only way I can see that making any kind of sense is if the grid is calculated first by race incident penalties and then by technical penalties, so Hamilton is moved to 5th, between Magnussen and Norris, then Magnussen takes his (gearbox?) technical penalty, leaving Hamilton 4th...

... but why would anyone do that?
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I think this tweet from Andrew Benson shows that the penalties are applied in order of the Stewards' Document Number in which they were awarded. The "parts" penalty is awarded the moment the car leaves the pit lane with the part in, so I guess the Stewards had already awarded those.

 
TenEightyOne
I think this tweet from Andrew Benson shows that the penalties are applied in order of the Stewards' Document Number in which they were awarded. The "parts" penalty is awarded the moment the car leaves the pit lane with the part in, so I guess the Stewards had already awarded those.
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Which would penalise Magnussen before Hamilton, so Norris should be fourth...

However, it seems that it's actually dumber than that, and it's actually an accumulated positions system. So... (prepare for longpost)

Q1/2/3 Result
1 LEC
2 HAM
3 VER
4 BOT
5 MAG
6 NOR
7 RAI
8 GIO
9 GAS
10 VET
11 GRO
12 HUL
13 ALB
14 RIC
15 SAI
16 PER
17 STR
18 KVY
19 RUS
20 KUB

Penalties
SAI - Back of grid
ALB - Back of grid
HUL +5
MAG +5
RUS +3
HAM +3

After penalties, with new grid positions
1 LEC = 1
3 VER = 2
4 BOT = 3
5 HAM = 4
6 NOR = 5
7 RAI = 6
8 GIO = 7
9 GAS = 8
10 VET* = 9
10 MAG* = 10
11 GRO = 11
14 RIC = 12
16 PER = 13
17 STR* = 14
17 HUL* = 15
18 KVY = 16
20 KUB = 17
22 RUS = 18
(Shadow realm - SAI, ALB)

It looks like a driver who achieved their position total naturally is ranked ahead of a driver whose position total includes a penalty where they are equal.

No-one seems to know how the FIA is ranking Sainz and Albon, least of all the FIA itself which has published two provisional grids with the two drivers in different orders (and to be honest I'm a bit confused over Sainz's Q2 time, but I haven't watched qualifying yet). At the moment it seems Albon will start 19th and Sainz 20th...

... and amusingly George Russell's three-place penalty is a one-place boost. Without the penalty he'd have had a two-place boost, so it's a one-place penalty in the end.
 
Calling my GTPlaney history buffs!

Is this the youngest front row in F1 history???
 
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