N2 tires=Closest RL times

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in response to my own post, i have just watched the video of the Bentley Speed 8 round Le Man and and the difference between the real life times and the GT4 time is some 10 seconds. :indiff: However i do not mind as the lap looked fun and i cant wait till March 9th. People seem to criticise GT4 for not being ultra realisitic, but take into account it is just a game and the fact it is the most realisitic game on the market, always has been and most probably always will be!
 
Jedi2016
I've seen that vid of the NSX/Lambo/etc, and the NSX does not win, so not sure what you're talking about there. Sure, it was leading for a bit, but that was due more to Gan-San's aggressive driving than the car's speed.

As for the Elise v M3.. Sure, the M3 has more power, but it also has a lot more weight, and it can't touch the Elise in the corners. I haven't seen that particular vid, but I know that the Elise "line" of Lotus cars are a lot quicker than their power would lead you to believe.
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btw, there are two videos that run similar cars, both in motegi, (the one where the NSX-R wins is east course, not sure about the other one) in one the NSX-R does beat an M3 CSL, a Gallardo, an F360 Modena, and a Ferrari Stradale, but the only reason the NSX-R beat the Stradale (which was overwhelmingly fast) is because:
The NSX-R took an early lead, and had a better starting grid position, and because at the very last corner Gan San played one of his usual dirty tricks and actually cut the Stradale forcing him to brake (the driver went on to curse at Gan San for being a dirty bastard that allmost caused an accident. :P) but on this race the NSX-R was faster than the Gallardo, i did get to also see the other one, but don't remmember which track layout it was, maybe it was the full motegi?
because motegi east is not as fast as the full Circuit, so the lighter weight of the NSX-R is an advantage over the gallardo there.
 
10 seconds on LeMans can be easy enough to explain.. grippier tires, whatever assists might have been on, plus the "it's only a video game" style of suicidal driving that we can get away with (that real race drivers can't).

SaintKamus: It was one of the Motegi races.. Gan-San was leading most of the race in the NSX-R, but about 2/3 of the way through the final lap, his engine overheated (due to his driving style, which you mentioned.. hehe), and both Lambos finished ahead of him. I distinctly remember that, because one of the Lambo drivers was whooping and hollering about a "1-2 finish for Lamborghini!!".
 
Why not try Bentley with N1 tyres. I guess the times would be more accurate. For example, Impreza Rally Car '00 with N1 tyres acts pretty close to the one in RBR.
 
GT Freak!
i agree that Best Motoring is biased. I also saw the video of the NSX-R vs Muchielago, gallardo, M3 CSL etc. No way could the NSX-R win. Also even more ridiculouse, i have just seena video of a Elise 190bhp, trouncing a M3 SMG II and staying with it down the straights, bear in mind the M3 has 340bhp! 👎

I am glad that it is possible to get relativly realisitic times in GT4, as for tuning the car as high as possible as suggested by someone ealier! I have grown out of that idea long ago, i now got for realism and fun!!

I have got some lap times for the Le Man track, real life lap times as i dont have GT4, could someone see how the GT4 counterpart cars are to these times. I will also include the year, these are qualifying times!

Bentley Speed-8 2003 3:32:080
Audi R8 2003 3:35:248
Mercedes CLK GTR 1998 3:35:544
GT-One 1998 3:35:552
BMW V12 1998 3:38:829
Nissan R390 1998 3:40:649
Sauber C9 1989 3:14:XX (no chicane)
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Obviously you've never driven (let stand raced) a real car in real life.
An M3 is 1500kgs, an Elise 800! Thats twice the weight! Power to weight is even better for the Elise! But for topspeed you need power, and thats what the Elise lacks.
 
guys.. the elise is only a few parts away from being a gocart. Dunno why it suprizes people that the elise can beat cars much more powerfull on racetracks with lots of corners. I am 100% sure that if someone Touge tuned that car (Or one of those Freakishly light Suzuki's) it would be untouchable on the downhill.

I remember in GT3, the Elise could keep up with most sportscars in the 300HP range if you drove almost perfectly with very low angle sliding if any sliding at all. I'm talking about on courses that are a bit more technical, like Grand Valley (dont remember which direction, does it matter?) and Apricot hill. I tested this a while ago (with the interference of a few members and one MOD here :crazy: )
 
I am going to have alot of tire data by this sunday which I will post a URL with...comparing alot of cars and tires so everyone can see....
 
kensei
I am going to have alot of tire data by this sunday which I will post a URL with...comparing alot of cars and tires so everyone can see....
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Thank you! I really want to know which tire most accurately represents real-life driving in the game.
 
kensei
I am going to have alot of tire data by this sunday which I will post a URL with...comparing alot of cars and tires so everyone can see....
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Coolness, thanks! That's the way I'm going to prefer driving GT most of the time.. with as close to a real-life setup as I can get. :)
 
Jedi2016
That's the way I'm going to prefer driving GT most of the time.. with as close to a real-life setup as I can get. :)
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To me, that's the essence of a simulation game. To be as close to reality as possible. 👍

EDIT: It doesn't have to be exact, as I am aware of limitation of both software/hardware technology. However, if this game is touted to be a real driving simulator, they should at least make it as real as they possibly can.
 
SaintKamus
btw, there are two videos that run similar cars, both in motegi, (the one where the NSX-R wins is east course, not sure about the other one) in one the NSX-R does beat an M3 CSL, a Gallardo, an F360 Modena, and a Ferrari Stradale, but the only reason the NSX-R beat the Stradale (which was overwhelmingly fast) is because:
The NSX-R took an early lead, and had a better starting grid position, and because at the very last corner Gan San played one of his usual dirty tricks and actually cut the Stradale forcing him to brake (the driver went on to curse at Gan San for being a dirty bastard that allmost caused an accident. :P) but on this race the NSX-R was faster than the Gallardo, i did get to also see the other one, but don't remmember which track layout it was, maybe it was the full motegi?
because motegi east is not as fast as the full Circuit, so the lighter weight of the NSX-R is an advantage over the gallardo there.
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The NSX-R wore slicks in that race, the other cars had factory street tires.
 
The lap times with the N2 tires might not be totally accurate for street tires on standard road cars but the handling is just right for most cars in the game, so you have to weigh it up. Do you want to do an accurate lap time, or do you want to go around corners like the real car?. Also I don't think any driver in real life is going to be as fast as someone that's done 100's of laps around Nurburgring in GT4, because chances are hardly anyone has done that many laps around the place at full speed and most important of all is that you would be for sure dead 10 times allready if you drove fully on the limit for that many laps in road car : ), if you watch the videos of real cars at Nurburgring they are piking out at heaps of the sketchy places where you can keep it floored in gt4 because in gt4 if you wipe out it doesn't matter so you tend to take much more chances in those dangerous sections
 
Yeah..i think basically waht we want is a table of example cars to show lap times and realsitic handling. I have not yet got GT4 so i am not fully understanding the tire choice, but here is what i think they are. N1, N2, N3 are normal tires raning from a soft compound N3 to a harder compound N1. Then their are the S1, S2, S3 which are street tires, which are more like cut slicks, or tyres found on the lotus exige. Again S1 being harder compound than S3. Lastly the Racing slicks which are R1, R2, R3, same compound numbered tyres. Am i right?

If so what we need is a table displaying lap times IRL compared to GT4 times. An example of whay i mean shall be below

Bentley Speed 8- Le mans

R1- 3:32:080 Real Life time
R2- +8 seconds Compared to real life time
R3- +16 seconds Compared to real life time

Is this any help in terms od ideas of producing such a table to help fellow GT players get the most realisitic times?
 
I added three more cars to my tire testing last night to round out from FR, RR, MR, FF, AWD...something for everyone.

I'll have my results posted around Tuesday night....sorry for the delay but real life is getting in the way this weekend.
 
GT Freak!
Yeah..i think basically waht we want is a table of example cars to show lap times and realsitic handling. I have not yet got GT4 so i am not fully understanding the tire choice, but here is what i think they are. N1, N2, N3 are normal tires raning from a soft compound N3 to a harder compound N1. Then their are the S1, S2, S3 which are street tires, which are more like cut slicks, or tyres found on the lotus exige. Again S1 being harder compound than S3. Lastly the Racing slicks which are R1, R2, R3, same compound numbered tyres. Am i right?

If so what we need is a table displaying lap times IRL compared to GT4 times. An example of whay i mean shall be below

Bentley Speed 8- Le mans

R1- 3:32:080 Real Life time
R2- +8 seconds Compared to real life time
R3- +16 seconds Compared to real life time

Is this any help in terms od ideas of producing such a table to help fellow GT players get the most realisitic times?
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Your thought on the tire is fine, except there are 5 racing compounds, so R1 to R5 would be it.
And since R1 is the hardest compound i hardly doubt to be slower on the following compounds as your table above implicates: if an time difference will be between R1 and one of the higher numbered compounds the time has to degree, not increase.
And you need a skilled driver which can run laps consitently in one car and with different compounds.
 
GT Freak!
....here is what i think they are. N1, N2, N3 are normal tires raning from a soft compound N3 to a harder compound N1. Then their are the S1, S2, S3 which are street tires, which are more like cut slicks, or tyres found on the lotus exige. Again S1 being harder compound than S3. Lastly the Racing slicks which are R1, R2, R3, same compound numbered tyres. Am i right?
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You're probably right about the 1,2,3 bits, although there are probably more levels to the Racing tires (GT3, for example, had what.. seven grades of racing tire?). The only other change in name I'd make would be "sport" instead of "street". When I think of "street", I think of daily drivers.. you mentioned the Exige, which definitely has higher-end sports tires on it. :)

YZF
N3 (street) are closest to real life. I did many tests.
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You might want to think about backing up with some facts rather than just a blanket statement like that. Epecially seeing as how the entire thread is talking about how N1 and N2 tires are closest.. if you're going to say that everyone else is wrong, better prove it.

kensei
I'll have my results posted around Tuesday night....sorry for the delay but real life is getting in the way this weekend.
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Take your time.. :) Game ain't out for another nine days. :)
 
I'm kind of curious which tires would come closest to the DOT-legal race tires that I use for autocross. I would think that in theory they should be similar to R5s, only because they are meant to reach nomal operating temp within a single 60 second run. They are a very soft compound in RL...
 
nicefrog
Jarus, there was a final update to my story, but I'll have to tell you what happened before the Skyline race. It all started at the petrol station, where two other VS commdores were parked and starting looking at my brothers car, so this with his mental problems caused him to do a burnout leaving the station. Then up the road a bit the skyline pulled out of a corner and it was all on. Ok that was two nights ago. Late last night while my brother was driving home both the two other VS's (unkown engines) follwed him out onto the highway and then went past him at quite some high speed as he was sitting on 100, so he chased them down, he told me had had heaps of trouble catching them and was doing over 200 when he finally closed in on them, then had to really work hard to get his car stoped where the two lanes merge before he wiped all three cars out, then he passed them both and sat on 160 untill he got out of sight of them then came home. Now he's refusing to drive his car anymore because he was shaking when he came home and says it was pretty scary driving at 200 at midnight, and how the road was really bumpy and that he could hardly take the slight bends that are in the highway going that fast. So he told me he has a mental problem with people racing him and doesn't trust himself to drive for the moment and also doesn't want to be in town incase anyone saw what happend last night. Now he's just playing world of warcraft for a few days to recover :p
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Wow, what a bunch of ********s. I hope those guys are not in my state. Keep it on the track, as they say.
 
YZF
N3 (street) are closest to real life. I did many tests.
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That just means you're a slow driver... the fact is Flinx has been comparing N1 and N2 tyres on different tracks and we're comparing them to times on best motoring...
i'll start a thread on this when Flinx gets more data, N1 tyres on an BMW M3 makes for times 2 full seconds faster than the real M3 on Tsukuba circuit... this is with N1 tyres, i don't even want to see the N3 times on that car... other cars, like the NSX-R are close to their performance with N1 tyres, but are spot on with N2 tyres. i'll have a full list of times with different cars and tracks from both real and GT4 times, lots of inconsistencies, and the N3 tyres are defenetly not the stock tyres...
The reason why i think PD renamed "street" to "normal" tyres maybe because with "normal" they want to reffer to tyres as stock, and the fact is that in GT4 you'll see very different levels of grip with "N" tyres as the cars vary, which means the tyres are different from car to car and the performance of the tyres in GT4 are based on the stock car tyres.. which means some tyres will be grippier than others on different cars.

Oh, and Kensei, it's cool that you're doing a tyre comparassion, but to be honest the only track i think you and i are both qualified to do time attacks on is probably the nurburgring because we have so much experience on it... but for other tracks Flinx will put us to shame (as well as beat us for about 3-5 seconds on nurburgring regardless of the car, on avarage at least.).
so while it will be cool to see the difference between the 3 tyres, i think that if we're going to compare the times to real life times Flinx is the closest thing to a Pro driver. ^_^ (i'd help him do the tests, but i'm just not a good enough driver :P)

Really, some people say "why should GT4 be so real, people wouldn't like it!"
come on guys, if GT series gets more reall you'll see your REAL skill level, no you wouldn't get all golds, but who cares? that's how it would be in real life, you'd still have a way to finish the game, and you'd feel a LOT more rewarded if you won a race this way, because you would actually win it because you were good at it, and not just abused tuning and the arcadiness of the game (such as bumping into other cars, etc.)

i for one dont care if i'm not as fast as a best motoring driver, and why should i? i'm not a pro driver, so if i'm not as fast it's fine.
 
SaintKamus
That just means you're a slow driver... the fact is Flinx has been comparing N1 and N2 tyres on different tracks and we're comparing them to times on best motoring...
i'll start a thread on this when Flinx gets more data, N1 tyres on an BMW M3 makes for times 2 full seconds faster than the real M3 on Tsukuba circuit... this is with N1 tyres, i don't even want to see the N3 times on that car... other cars, like the NSX-R are close to their performance with N1 tyres, but are spot on with N2 tyres. i'll have a full list of times with different cars and tracks from both real and GT4 times, lots of inconsistencies, and the N3 tyres are defenetly not the stock tyres...
The reason why i think PD renamed "street" to "normal" tyres maybe because with "normal" they want to reffer to tyres as stock, and the fact is that in GT4 you'll see very different levels of grip with "N" tyres as the cars vary, which means the tyres are different from car to car and the performance of the tyres in GT4 are based on the stock car tyres.. which means some tyres will be grippier than others on different cars.

Oh, and Kensei, it's cool that you're doing a tyre comparassion, but to be honest the only track i think you and i are both qualified to do time attacks on is probably the nurburgring because we have so much experience on it... but for other tracks Flinx will put us to shame (as well as beat us for about 3-5 seconds on nurburgring regardless of the car, on avarage at least.).
so while it will be cool to see the difference between the 3 tyres, i think that if we're going to compare the times to real life times Flinx is the closest thing to a Pro driver. ^_^ (i'd help him do the tests, but i'm just not a good enough driver :P)

Really, some people say "why should GT4 be so real, people wouldn't like it!"
come on guys, if GT series gets more reall you'll see your REAL skill level, no you wouldn't get all golds, but who cares? that's how it would be in real life, you'd still have a way to finish the game, and you'd feel a LOT more rewarded if you won a race this way, because you would actually win it because you were good at it, and not just abused tuning and the arcadiness of the game (such as bumping into other cars, etc.)

i for one dont care if i'm not as fast as a best motoring driver, and why should i? i'm not a pro driver, so if i'm not as fast it's fine.
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I am sure that you are very fast "gamer" (we all know your times, they are ....well....slow...but thats not the point ) and let me tell you couple of things:

Firstly you have no info what tyres BM use.So there will be differences.

Secondly - in the game you will always be faster because you "can try things you wouldn't in reality" These are words from real life racers that played GT4. I drive in nurburgring cuting corners a little bit (with one wheel) and going on curbs or pushing even over limit at 200+ km/h , sliding all the way and so on.Nobody does it in reality.

Thirdly: In GT4 you do not have CLUTCH. It works perfectly everytime you use it, and it make you go faster.Each gear change can give you about 0.1 sec advantage from "real driving". Now use your calculator.

Fourthly - you have always perfect conditions in GT4, e.g. there is constant wind (which is minimal), tyres are operating optimaly, no major overheating ,etc. Engine works flawlesly and fuel is perfect,etc.

And lastly - you don't feel any G-forces, you can be much more precise and you can reach very limit of car handling pretty fast.

All this info makes up for that 1sec difference.

P.S. Now give me exact numberes where M3 is 2sec faster with N1 than in reality. I assume you are not talking about 1997 Best Motoring Edition?? I have 50+ BM DVDs, i have plenty of info. I did many testing and i can drive GT4 "fast enough".
 
Jedi2016
You might want to think about backing up with some facts rather than just a blanket statement like that. Epecially seeing as how the entire thread is talking about how N1 and N2 tires are closest.. if you're going to say that everyone else is wrong, better prove it.
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I did everything for myself, i got enough facts and i don't care what others think nor i am interested in wasting my time to let others know that black is black.

Although if i'll be in the mood i'll give more info.


P.S. BM did 8.12 in NSX '90. Go ahead with N1 tyres :)
 
YZF
I am sure that you are very fast "gamer" (we all know your times, they are ....well....slow...but thats not the point ) and let me tell you couple of things:

Firstly you have no info what tyres BM use.So there will be differences.

Secondly - in the game you will always be faster because you "can try things you wouldn't in reality" These are words from real life racers that played GT4. I drive in nurburgring cuting corners a little bit (with one wheel) and going on curbs or pushing even over limit at 200+ km/h , sliding all the way and so on.Nobody does it in reality.

Thirdly: In GT4 you do not have CLUTCH. It works perfectly everytime you use it, and it make you go faster.Each gear change can give you about 0.1 sec advantage from "real driving". Now use your calculator.

Fourthly - you have always perfect conditions in GT4, e.g. there is constant wind (which is minimal), tyres are operating optimaly, no major overheating ,etc. Engine works flawlesly and fuel is perfect,etc.

And lastly - you don't feel any G-forces, you can be much more precise and you can reach very limit of car handling pretty fast.

All this info makes up for that 1sec difference.

P.S. Now give me exact numberes where M3 is 2sec faster with N1 than in reality. I assume you are not talking about 1997 Best Motoring Edition?? I have 50+ BM DVDs, i have plenty of info. I did many testing and i can drive GT4 "fast enough".
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I started a thread comparing Flinx times to BM times... mods chose not to go ahead and aprove it for some reason. (but they have no trouble aproving threads by new members asking questions that have allready been answered.. go figure.)

The fact is most of what you said is flawed, the biggest problem in GT4 is tyre simulation, it's just not good enough, end of story, there's no temperature on the tyres, just wear, no pressure gagues either.
This alone makes a true simulation pretty much impossible, but.. GT4 is close in some cases.
I never said i was a fast driver.. could you point out at what point i said i was? i just said you were a slow driver if you think N3 tyres are closest to real life performance you can get.
i'm a slow driver.. and i can beat time attacks i've seen with N2 tyres on some cars.
Also, you have to assume that in BM they use stock tyres when using stock cars... they do have their tuner car races, but that's a different story.

You own 50+ DVD's and you have to ask me about the M3's performance? go find out yourself, it's 2 seconds slower than it is in GT4 with N1 tyres, so much for your theory of not knowing which tyres they use... if they were using performance tyres for the M3.. then surely it would yield better times than N1 tyres don't you think?
No.. we don't have a clutch, and i heard Kurosawa (Gan - san) mention that the shift timing on "other games" (safe to assume he's refering to GT4) isn't as good as the shift timing on enthusia, this is on an interview for enthusia... so make of it what you will, but i don't think he was trying to bull$hit anyone.
G forces? oh come on, if anything G forces would make it EASIER for a pro driver, the fact that you can't feel the G forces in a game is a disadvantage, not an advanatge, period, specially for stock cars (and suggesting that a PRO driver wouldn't push such slow cars to their limit because of "fear" is even more insulting, if they were they wouldn't get nearly identical times to begin with!).... a PRO driver can handle G forces from a race car, do you really think the G forces of ANY street car are too much for them? you're sadly mistaken if you think so.

So ok, since mods didn't care to aprove my thread for one reason or another i'll just post some times here:

M3 CSL - 1'06"99 (best motoring)
M3 - 1´09.4 (best motoring)

M3 - N1: 1´07.3 (GT4)
>> > N2: 1´05.8
>> > N3: 1´03.8
>> > S1: 1´02.4
>> > S2: 1´01.4
>> > S3: 1´00.8

N3 closer to real life performance eh? wow, i'll just buy an M3 and put some "N3" tyres on it and i got myself a car 3 full seconds faster than an M3 CSL, i'll save thousands, i'm a genius! who needs a lower center of gravity because of the carbon fiber roof, or more HP, or better brakes, just put some N3 tyres on it!
Fact is... with "S2" tyres (which are default in GT for some reason) the M3 CSL will give times comprable to a Carrera GT on nurburgring... this done by the slow driver... me. So let's not even talk about "sports" tyres ok?


To be fair.. this only seems to be the case with certain cars. Other cars get VERY close to their performance with N2 tyres, the M3, the RX8 Type S and the Corvette C5 are a few of the cars that are performing way faster than they should be, but an STi Spec C, Evo VIII MR GSR, NSX-R, S2000 and more that have been tested should get very close to the real performance of the cars with N2 tyres, (N1 is just a tad too slow compared to the real times on those cars)

I didn't mean to offend you by saying you were a slow driver, i was just making an observation, i have times to compare other cars to BM times (time attacks done by Flinx.. he's a fast driver.), and like i said before... i "started" a thread on it, but mods canned it, and since it was quite lenghty i'm not about to write it up again to see if this time it meets their high standards.
Any more questions?

-- Kamus
 
I don't have access now to my info (only at home) so i'll write later in more detail.

Basicaly what you wrote is crap and your info is wrong.

BMW M3 E46 at Tsukuba - ~1.05 sec

BMW M3 CSL at Tsukuba ~ 1.04 sec

These are BM times, check them. I did (i have it) and your times are wrong. Later i will post exact volumes.

With N3 tyres (they are named in game "street", interesting isn't it?) normal user can do ~ 1.05 - 1.04 with M3

Now i won't go into details about the players that are using game physics engine different way, in order to get the best possible lap time. Such players are usually at the top of various hotlap competitions.There was good explanation on GPL forums and you can delete "flinx" or whoever that tries all day long just somehow to push physics engine much more than drivers do in reality. You don't have Schumacher in Tsukuba as well, but this is different story also.


At the moment i have Lancer Evo 8 Tsukuba time which is 1.04.15 sec (stock car no slicks) so you go and take same car and compare lap time.With N3 tyres. Don't forget to take into account my previously mentioned things.Time should be ~1.03 with "normal" driving, no cutting and no driving on kerbs.


Also you can try first (old) NSX '90 265hp on nurburgring - 8.16sec BM did.

Or Skyline R33 GTR there - 8.01sec BM managed

GL.
 
So let me get this straight, N1 tyres are the hardest compound road tyres and provide the closest to real life lap times? While N2 creates generaly faster than real life lap times but the handling ismore realisitic? So whay tyres out of the R1, R2, R3, R4, and R5 create the most realisitic lap time and which tyre crates the most realistic handling?

PS. Also all of these tests that have been going on with say the M3, have custom settings been made to the suspension, brake setup, gearobx etc....or are they completley deafult and all that is changing is the choice of tyres?
 
YZF
I don't have access now to my info (only at home) so i'll write later in more detail.

Basicaly what you wrote is crap and your info is wrong.

BMW M3 E46 at Tsukuba - ~1.05 sec

BMW M3 CSL at Tsukuba ~ 1.04 sec

These are BM times, check them. I did (i have it) and your times are wrong. Later i will post exact volumes.

With N3 tyres (they are named in game "street", interesting isn't it?) normal user can do ~ 1.05 - 1.04 with M3

Now i won't go into details about the players that are using game physics engine different way, in order to get the best possible lap time. Such players are usually at the top of various hotlap competitions.There was good explanation on GPL forums and you can delete "flinx" or whoever that tries all day long just somehow to push physics engine much more than drivers do in reality. You don't have Schumacher in Tsukuba as well, but this is different story also.


At the moment i have Lancer Evo 8 Tsukuba time which is 1.04.15 sec (stock car no slicks) so you go and take same car and compare lap time.With N3 tyres. Don't forget to take into account my previously mentioned things.Time should be ~1.03 with "normal" driving, no cutting and no driving on kerbs.


Also you can try first (old) NSX '90 265hp on nurburgring - 8.16sec BM did.

Or Skyline R33 GTR there - 8.01sec BM managed

GL.
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oh... now you're calling me a liar... i have the facts to back my numbers up, i'm not making stuff up.. as for "players that are using game physics engine different way, in order to get the best possible lap time"
this is BS, and you know it, you can't break the laws of physics, and that's a fact, and sure, lets get rid of Flinx times, afterall he's just a driver that should be taken as reference, lets use mediocre drivers instead of the comparassion, GREAT idea!
so.. i'm being called a liar, and now you're making stuff up too?
seeing how you have "50+" BM dvd's then you MUST have some of the recent ones right? check out "factory fighters" and check out the times from the M3 CSL.
the times from the M3 i have even seen in more than one race, and they allmost exactly the same results, so DONT MAKE STUFF UP!
the "old" NSX i never stested, i tested the NEW NSX-R which does 7'56"733
on nurubrgring when driven on a test by Gan San (since this is the car used in a more recent nurburgring attack and all the newer BM) and i'm getting a better time than Gan-San gets on nurubrgring with N2 tyres... so if you need N3 tyres to match him.. YOU ARE SLOW, DEAL WITH IT!
Also.. not only did you make stuff up about Flinx using the physics magicly to get better lap times.. but you're also calling him a corner cutter... he's a clean driver and i can post the replays to prove it, not that i have to, since he's well known here and his reputation is flawless.


"With N3 tyres (they are named in game "street", interesting isn't it?) normal user can do ~ 1.05 - 1.04 with M3"
Maybe i'm repeating myself.. but i don't care, since you don't seem to get it, a "normal user" can't compare with YEARS of experience of a PRO driver, and probably even then, never would compare, they get paid for a reason, a PRO driver can drive beyond any "normal user".
N3 tyres are too fast, and i have facts to back this up... what do you got? nothing, all you're doing is make stuff up, Flinx is using:
DFP
no Aids
no TCS
MT
what are you using, a DS2 with ASM on? O_o

Ok, so here's whats obvious to me at this point:
you're a slow driver.
you think my info is "crap" even tough i have facts backing them up. so.. a Lancer Evo VIII should do 1'03.xxx eh? just goes to show that you're lying about pretty much evrything, and in fact don't have ANY info to back your talk.

here are some of Flinx results with N1 tyres:

> 1´05.80 NSX-R ´02
> 1´06.81 RX-7 Spirit-R Type A ´02
> 1´07.03 Impreza spec C ´04
> 1´07.34 Skyline GT-R V-spec II N1 (R34)´01
> 1´07.36 Lancer Evo VIII MR GSR
> 1´07.42 Skyline GT-R V-spec II (R34) ´00
> 1´07.81 M3 ´04
> 1´09.21 S 2000 ´03
> 1´09.33 S 2000 Type V ´03
> 1´09.74 RX-8 Type S ´03

and here are the reults of various cars on best motoring (all times of course are Tsukuba in case you were confused...)

STi Spec-C - 1'05"01 (lap 4)
MR RS 6 MT - 1'04"67 (lap 3)
NSX-R - 1'04"89 (lap 4)
MR RS 5 MT - 1'05"38 (lap 4)
MR GST - 1'05"45 (lap 5) (i think this is a type, should be GSR instead of GST, but i just copied the results)
STi V-Limited 1'06"55 (lap 5)

so.. a stock lancer evo VIII should do 1'03.xx... hmm, these pro driver must be really stupid, they can't get an evo VIII MR GSR to go below 1'05.xxx
also. notice the NSX-R times, and compare them with Flinx N1 times... then use the M3 tyres as a reference (the ones i posted from N1 to S3) and you can see why an NSX-R would get pretty much the same or better performance with N2 tyres, and would TOTALLY shatter that record with N3 tyres.

here are some more Best Motoring times: (also Tsukuba, and like avobe this is from Factory Fighters)

M3 CSL - 1'06"99 (L2)
Evo MR GSR - 1'06"55 (L2)
Nismo tuned 350 Z - 1'07"59 (L3)
Lotus Elise 111R - 1'07"58 (L3)
Renault Clio V6 - 1'09"30 (L3)
Mazda Speed RX-8 - 1'09"31 (L4)
Integra Type R - 1'09"34 (L3)

check out the time for the M3 CSL... in GT4 an M3 with N3 tyres is 3 full seconds faster than that, want more proof? go get it yourself, and then twist it a bit so you don't look too dumb.
 
GT Freak!
Also all of these tests that have been going on with say the M3, have custom settings been made to the suspension, brake setup, gearobx etc....or are they completley deafult and all that is changing is the choice of tyres?
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The tests by Flinx are being done with no modifications on the cars at all, the only thing that changes is tyre selection when noted.
 
YZF
Firstly you have no info what tyres BM use.So there will be differences.

Secondly - in the game you will always be faster because you "can try things you wouldn't in reality" These are words from real life racers that played GT4. I drive in nurburgring cuting corners a little bit (with one wheel) and going on curbs or pushing even over limit at 200+ km/h , sliding all the way and so on.Nobody does it in reality.

Thirdly: In GT4 you do not have CLUTCH. It works perfectly everytime you use it, and it make you go faster.Each gear change can give you about 0.1 sec advantage from "real driving". Now use your calculator.

Fourthly - you have always perfect conditions in GT4, e.g. there is constant wind (which is minimal), tyres are operating optimaly, no major overheating ,etc. Engine works flawlesly and fuel is perfect,etc.

And lastly - you don't feel any G-forces, you can be much more precise and you can reach very limit of car handling pretty fast.

All this info makes up for that 1sec difference.
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I mostly agree with all but the third point: GT4 seems to try to simulate how fast a car shifts with a delay. For some cars it seems right, for others it does not. I know for a fact I can shift my RL Miata faster than the game does it with stock clutch and flywheel.

As for the first point, well, we've seen the video of the Ruf driving the 'Ring, and he does drive like we do in the video game. (Must be a rally driver. :lol: )
 

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