N2 tires=Closest RL times

[SaintKamus]

This is from another thread:
http://www.tuningpt.com/store/tsukuba4.htm

the M3 times are as follow on that site:

1,07,54 BMW M3 (1989 2.3l 240cv modificado) "modificado" means modified in spanish
1,08,48 BMW M3 (321cv) 053
1,08,60 BMW M3 (E46 AC Schnitzer)
1,09,40 BMW M3 (E46 343cv)
1,10,39 BMW M3 (E36 286cv)

Yep, you pulled that 1'05.xxx out of your butt and i knew it from the begining, just for reference here you go:
1,03,73 Ferrari F40 (real)
N3: 1´03.8 BMW M3 (Gt4, Driver is Flinx)

so... N3 tyres make the M3 go as fast as an F40, and you say those are the "closest to real" tyres? feel like an idiot yet?
again, the M3 is one of those cars that seem overpowered in GT4, so while tyres are a problem here, they don't seem to be the only problem when it comes to the car. Because like i said other cars get very close to real performance with N2.

 

[YZF]

SaintKamus> you are amateur and have now idea what are you talking about. I suggest you NOT to look at times that are made RACING WITH OTHER 6 cars at the circuit. You get idea? You are taking best race times and you want to compare them with hotlap times?? LOL Plus you are taking anything that is not proved to be reliable! Some dude made with F40 1.03 and you strongly believe that this is the best lap time that is possible ever?? How naive you must be..... LOL

And if you are lacking information about "playing racing games" thats your problem.If you think that sitting in your room and turning ffb wheel is the same as driving real sports car then there is no more conversation with you. Go and read more info why all F1 games and GT games in hotlap competitions have better lap times (better means up to 1 sec, not more).


And please, go and take Evo 8 GSR with N3 tyres and lap tsukuba 3sec faster than BM (they did 1.04). Can you do this? And m3 goes as fast as GSR when they are racing, no big difference.

 

[YZF]

And to your pure satisfaction, i can tell you that during 1994 Battle of the Year racing, best time F40 did during qualify was 1.04.8 and nsx (old) 1.05.9

Interesting isn't it? Thats the reality, and variation of lap times. IN 1993 F40 did ~1.06

Everything from Best Motoring.

 

[SaintKamus]

SaintKamus> you are amateur and have now idea what are you talking about. I suggest you NOT to look at times that are made RACING WITH OTHER 6 cars at the circuit. You get idea? You are taking best race times and you want to compare them with hotlap times?? LOL Plus you are taking anything that is not proved to be reliable! Some dude made with F40 1.03 and you strongly believe that this is the best lap time that is possible ever?? How naive you must be..... LOL

And if you are lacking information about "playing racing games" thats your problem.If you think that sitting in your room and turning ffb wheel is the same as driving real sports car then there is no more conversation with you. Go and read more info why all F1 games and GT games in hotlap competitions have better lap times (better means up to 1 sec, not more).


And please, go and take Evo 8 GSR with N3 tyres and lap tsukuba 3sec faster than BM (they did 1.04). Can you do this? And m3 goes as fast as GSR when they are racing, no big difference.

Yack, yack, yack yack, even after being proved wrong you still come back and talk some more crap, the fact is that racing times on best motoring are very close (sometimes faster) than their time attack they do on the cars before the race, they always post the best time on the time attack also, and there are no big differences (always withing .5 seconds at the most), all you are doing is flaming and talking nonsense.
You have yet to prove a point, and for the last time, i am NOT COMPARING MYSELF, i am comparing Flinx who can be considered a high level GT gamer, the only track i feel somewhat qualified to do my own comparos on is Nurburgring, and even on that track i'm outclassed by Flinx and others, and you seem to skip all the parts where i say i'm a bit FASTER (and a lot slower with N1) with N2 tyres on that track with the same cars on tests i've seen in best motoring, at least with the following cars:

NSX R
Lancer EVO VIII MR GSR
STi Spec C

so N3 tyres would be a LOT faster, therefor, completley unrealistic to be considered the car's stock tyres.

"some dude made with F40 1.03 and you strongly believe that this is the best lap time that is possible ever?? How naive you must be..... LOL"

Could you please stop embarassing yourself? no, it's not "the best time ever" but it won't go down considerably, because i've seen 1'03.xxx on an F40 in best motoring too, not just that webpage, and i've seen 1'03.xxx on the one million dollar McLaren F1 on Tsukuba (McLaren F1 is defenetly not ready for the track in stock form, too much body roll)

Your arguments are completley factless, instead you continue to flame me by calling me an amateur with out any hard data to back your claims up, i suggest you desisst, you look like a fool allready, don't make it worse.

"And if you are lacking information about "playing racing games" thats your problem.If you think that sitting in your room and turning ffb wheel is the same as driving real sports car then there is no more conversation with you."

How the hell can it be the same thing? and could you point out the part where i said it was the same? because you're actually assuming i think that way, and there must be a reason behind it. The whole point of this thread is to show just how close GT4 gets to real car preformance, and sometimes it's close, sometimes it's far from it.
and even YOU are comparing real cars to GT4 cars, so stop that BS right now, don't try to justify yourself by saying "Well, of courze it's not realz, LOLZ!"
It's the whole point of this thread, just to show how far or close this simulator recreates the actual driving experience and different cars performance.

Look, i'm sorry if showing the facts makes you look like that way, i know the truth can hurt, all i did was show that you are full of it when you made that statement of "N3 are the closest to real life". I showed numbers that completley debunk your uninformed guess, you have done nothing of the sort, instead you resort to calling me an amateur, and start talking nonsnse about that driving in GT4 is not the same as driving in real life. (no $hit Sherlock.)

This is a sim, and i just want evryone to see what to expect when it comes to realisim in GT4, and in some areas it's decent, in other areas it still has a LONG way to go, but at least with some cars you can get a pretty decent representation of real life performance, while in other cars you'll get nothing but fantasy.

So, i suggest that before you think how to insult me some more you at least get some facts relevant to the thread, such as why N3 tyres are the closest to real life performance according to you, and i mean FACTS, not made up numbers like your 1'05.xxx stock M3 in real life performance out-of-your-butt numbers.

-- Kamus.

 

[SaintKamus]

And to your pure satisfaction, i can tell you that during 1994 Battle of the Year racing, best time F40 did during qualify was 1.04.8 and nsx (old) 1.05.9

Interesting isn't it? Thats the reality, and variation of lap times. IN 1993 F40 did ~1.06

Everything from Best Motoring.

Ok, i'm trying to understand you here, you're calling Flinx some kind of cheater because he can do 1'03.xxx with N3 tyres, the tyres you swear are the closest to real life performance, i'm asking you directly, do you really think N3 are the closest to real life performance after seeing these facts?
in case you don't answer, i'll answer this myself:
NO, N3 tyres are NOT the closest to real life performance on some cars, and on the M3 not even N1 tyres get close to it's real performance, it's nearly 2 seconds faster even with N1, and to say Flinx used the physics to his advantage and is somehow cheating because of it is nonsense, and you know it.
like i said before, other cars get VERY close to their performance with N2 tyres and sometimes even with N1 (i can get 1'05.xxx on tsukuba with N2 tyres, i'm sure flinx can get 1'04.xxx at least.)

So, again, all i wanted to do is prove to you that you are wrong about N3 tyres, and i think i did that a number of times, but you still won't back down from your original claim, i'll say it one last time, N3 tyres are too gripy to be considered stock wheels, period.

edit: forgot to add, the other reason why GT4 can't properly simulate some scenarios is because the track conditions are always the same... there's no weather in GT4, it's always the same, and again, there's no tyre pressure, no tyre temperature either, that alone makes it very hard to get a true simulation.
And even then i'm surprised with some of the cars, because they get close so close to the real one in performance.

another car that is completley overpowered is the Mazda RX8 Type S
Gan San made a time attack on it and got:

Mazda RX-8 Type - S 2003 - 1'11"300 (afterwards they had a battle and it turned out very similar times)

in GT4 Flinx can get :

1´09.74 RX-8 Type S ´03

this is whith N1 tyres... (the mazda speed RX8 which is a factory tuned car can bearly pull this time just FYI.)

so what can we see here? that while some cars get very close to their original peformance with N2, some don't get even close even with N1 tyres, i do not know the reason for these inconsistencies, and won't pretend i do, but they are there.
But it's defenetly wierd that some cars are too fast even with N1 while others are "spot on" with N2.

 

[YZF]

Ok, i'm trying to understand you here, you're calling Flinx some kind of cheater because he can do 1'03.xxx with N3 tyres, the tyres you swear are the closest to real life performance, i'm asking you directly, do you really think N3 are the closest to real life performance after seeing these facts?

Yes. I say this not because i'm in love with N3, but because i just took Evo 8 , and did 1.04.7 there. BM did 1.04.5~

I don't need anything more. Although i did more, i took many other cars with N3 on nurburgring and they had similar times. E.g. R33 or NSX

I am satisfied more than enough. Ofcourse in reality tyres are different and they evolve during years (right?) so sometimes you need to take N2 if you want to get back to the past and compare laptimes from 1997 ,etc.

The whole GT4 is very accurate, KY said times are within 0.5sec....he knows more than you.indeed.

I suggest you to play more than flame here, at the end of the day nobody gives a sh.it

 

[SaintKamus]

The whole GT4 is very accurate, KY said times are within 0.5sec....he knows more than you.indeed.

I think Flinx just showed us that KY is full of it, at least with some cars.. but with others he's right on.

It's not the end of the world of course, we're just trying to see how real GT4 is, nothing more, i don't hate or love the game more because of it, i just want to see the facts.

The only problem i see is that some people are going to get a false impression on some cars, people are going to think a Corvette C5 can go as fast as an NSX-R on Nurburgring, while i can see this happening for the C6, i just know it can't be possible on the C5.
Other than getting a false impression on some cars i see no other big problems, but i would sure love to know just how many cars they got right (again, the cars they got right seem to do it with N2 tyres) and which cars they didn't (even with N1 tyres they are too fast.)
i'm intrested in this so i could try to balance LAN battles a bit more, which i plan on having shortly.

Also, you mention that you think N3 are the closest to real life because YOU can match BM times with them, it's obvious you haven't found the limits of the car or track yet. (intresting you used BM to do that comparassion and yet called me all sort of things because i did the same thing.)

Ask Flinx to give that car a run on N3 tyres, the result will surprise you, you can even ask him to send you the replay on .max if he's willing, he broke my record by about 2-3 seconds on the same track with the same car (infineon SP) and sent me the rep... the result? he made me realize that even tough i knew the track i just wasn't fast on it, i pretty much learned the track the right way because of him and even managed to beat his ghost after tons of trying. (and i'm sure he can break it easily, i bearly beat him and i actually made a mistake at the last corner, so there's room for improvement.)
so i think we're in agreement that our skills aren't comparable to best motoring drivers at last?
I really think Flinx is comparable, that's why i asked him if he would be intrested in doing those comparos.

 

[YZF]

I think Flinx just showed us that KY is full of it, at least with some cars..

bla bla bla

i just know it can't be possible on the C5.

yes....you "know" You just feel it...i believe...

I really think Flinx is comparable, that's why i asked him if he would be intrested in doing those comparos.

Are you flinx's girlfriend? Just curious...

You have no idea ofcourse what are hotlap championships so you are flaming here all that crap and nonsence. I suggest you to go and play gt4 instead of wasting your time here and trying to make YOURSELF believe in that crap.

end of story.

 

[SaintKamus]

bla bla bla



yes....you "know" You just feel it...i believe...



Are you flinx's girlfriend? Just curious...

You have no idea ofcourse what are hotlap championships so you are flaming here all that crap and nonsence. I suggest you to go and play gt4 instead of wasting your time here and trying to make YOURSELF believe in that crap.

end of story.

More personal attacks, you obviously don't want to be taken seriously here, so i won't even try to explain why the C5 is no match for the NSX-R, it would be like trying to explain it to a wall, again you resort to name calling with no facts at all. so in the end you're still the fool who belives N3 tyres are real life because YOU get similar results with those tyres.
anyway, i won't even bother replying to anymore of your attacks, belive what you want, sadly beliving something doesn't make it true.

Ok evryone, it's official, N3 tyres are the closest to real life because a mediocre driver says so, ok?
You never bothered to answer to 3dgenx question about your nurburgring time attack on the GT4 demo, but i can see why now, you're full of crap here and were full of crap back then:
8'00.003 / YZF - Skyline R34 (Street - Aids Off - MT - DS2) = BS you couldn't get that time if your life depended on it... oh, and you play with a DS2? why are you even bothering to compare your times to RL then? the DS2 controls are dumbed down because otherwise it would be nearly impossible to control the car.
Man, i wish i remmembered where i had seen your nick before... would've saved me tons of time. (knowing you're the joker that says got 8 min flat with DS2 in nuruburgring with no aids.. yeah, right.)

 

[KSaiyu]

Honestly, I agree with both of you guys. Firstly, this is a game, not real life, so the physics of racing in GT4 are quite far from real life racing. I think if you used real life techniques with N3 tyres, you would probably be close, or slower to the BM times. This is simply because in order to go fast in GT4, you do things that aren't possible in real life - hence the faster times in the M3 with N1 tyres.

I'm not saying I'm in Flinx's league or any of the top OLR, but I am a generally fast driver in GT4, and I know for a fact that you can't use those techniques to match those times in BM. Generally, as you probably know Saint, you use a lot of left foot braking in GT4 to balance the car, much more than in real life, plus you can pitch the car in under heavy, sometimes full braking - another impossibility in real life. Knowing this, it's obvious that N2 tyres when driven on the "GT4 limit" are possible of matching, and beating real life times. I assume none of us are at the same level in real life driving as the BM drivers, yet we still expect to get times similar to theirs in GT4. While Flinx has shown that N2 tyres generally get closest to real life times, it does NOT mean that they represent the tyres on the real life counterparts.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is that while N2 tyres are the best for comparing GT4 on-the-limit times to real life on-the-limit times, I think N3 is generally the most realistic to see how the car would behave in real life, at least on performance cars.

 

[SaintKamus]

as you probably know Saint, you use a lot of left foot braking in GT4 to balance the car

I agree, left foot braking helps a lot, i don't left foot brake at all, i just use my right foot since i got my new pedals. (since i can add a clutch to these pedals and might in the future for PC games, i wanted to get used to it right of the bat)

Also, i agree that people will do things that aren't possible in real life to get better times, but that's the whole point of this thread, just to see how close can we get with GT4, the GT series have come a long way, but it still has a LONG way to go. but for the first time i really do belive the physics are good enough to enough to be called a sim.

But there's no doubt in my mind that N3 are not realistic and offer way too much grip.
N2 tyres seem just about right, so there's no "cheating" going on here like YFZ would have you belive to get realistic times with those tyres, he's just pissed he can't do it himself because he's not a good enough driver, he shouldn't even be considered for any type of time attacks, he plays with a DS2 and it's a known fact that the DS2 controls are dumbed down to make the car easier to handle than it is with a wheel. (and even then, he can't match the times.)

he thinks in a way that is very convinient to him, if another player is faster than him he basicly calls "abuse" by saying they are using tricks that aren't possible in real life, but his driving is perfectly realistic and therefor should be considered as reference instead of other players times, and to add insult to injury he did this with a DS2 with only ONE car.
This guy is a joker and should not be taken seriously.

 

[GT Freak!]

Please dont slate the DS2 I am stuck with the dam thing as i am unable to fork out the money for the DFP! YZF dont think you should continue with your argument as you do not seem to have done as much research as Saint, also personal aimed abuse is not the way to win an argument!

 

[Darts]

If you ahve an FDP you can't agme in your bed, wich is a big + difference to the PC.

 

[Jedi2016]

Without bothering to read the three pages of arguments, I'll make a simple point (which someone had already made, I believe):

Tires alone cannot make the lap times. However, the driver + tires can. I think that's the point that YZF is missing in his argument concerning N3 tires. A better driver can get the same lap time on harder tires... a lesser driver would require softer tires to get that same lap time. And (and here's the kicker), they both get virtually identical times to BM or whatever other tests are out there.

In that light, I would say that the harder tires are the more realistic. Why? Simple... I'm not as good a driver as Gan-San, or any other professional race car driver that they zip around the track with. So if I wanted to match up those times, I would need softer tires to do it. Does that make the softer tires "more realistic"? Of course not. It just gives those of us who maybe don't drive so well the opportunity to be just as fast as the pros.

I have no doubt that I could jump out there and get the same lap times as the BM drivers. But not using N2 tires. It's a challenge, see... to see if I can get real-life pro lap times on "normal" sports tires, without having to resort to super-soft racing slicks. So I'll stick with the harder tires, thank you.

 

[GT Freak!]

If you ahve an FDP you can't agme in your bed, wich is a big + difference to the PC.

i dont think you checked your typing in that last post but i think i know what you are saying and i agree with you

 

[SaintKamus]

Without bothering to read the three pages of arguments, I'll make a simple point (which someone had already made, I believe):

Tires alone cannot make the lap times. However, the driver + tires can. I think that's the point that YZF is missing in his argument concerning N3 tires. A better driver can get the same lap time on harder tires... a lesser driver would require softer tires to get that same lap time. And (and here's the kicker), they both get virtually identical times to BM or whatever other tests are out there.

In that light, I would say that the harder tires are the more realistic. Why? Simple... I'm not as good a driver as Gan-San, or any other professional race car driver that they zip around the track with. So if I wanted to match up those times, I would need softer tires to do it. Does that make the softer tires "more realistic"? Of course not. It just gives those of us who maybe don't drive so well the opportunity to be just as fast as the pros.

I have no doubt that I could jump out there and get the same lap times as the BM drivers. But not using N2 tires. It's a challenge, see... to see if I can get real-life pro lap times on "normal" sports tires, without having to resort to super-soft racing slicks. So I'll stick with the harder tires, thank you.

Yep, what this guy doesn't get is that getting the same times with the same softer tyres actually means he's not that good of a driver, and this is fine.
Pro drivers spend are a lot more skilled than most of the gran turismo players are, and have TONS more experience than most.
so who cares if we're slower with harder tyres? we're supposed to be, and if you can get close to their times and do consistent lap times you should consider yourself good. I find it a lot more rewarding to drive with the most realistic settings possible, even if it means i'm slower than most people using aids or PRO drivers, that's fine with me. realisim isn't supposed to be easy.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

I'm not concerned with the best lap time -- I want the game to be as realistic as possible.
To me, that's the essence of a simulator. Similar to Flight Simulator 2004. 👍 The more real it is, the better.

Is the general consensus that N1 tires most accurately reflect the car's real-life handling characteristics?

 

[Taneras]

Don't flame the DS2...

I'm sorry, but if my GF or parents walked in on me sitting down in a chair with a DFP sitting in front of me mounted half ass'd on a few pieces of wood playing a racing game... I'd probably go in the next room and kill myself.

There's nothing wrong with playing with a DS2...

Mrktmrkt, to a certain extent. Honestly, if GT4 was 1% off of real life, not many people here would get very far into the GAME. I'd be willing to bet my car that most of this board (including myself) can't handle a 600hp+ car on a track and do well. Yes its nice to have it pretty close to real life, but not too close. Keep in mind this is a game, and games are suppose to be fun.

 

[GT Freak!]

Don't flame the DS2...

I'm sorry, but if my GF or parents walked in on me sitting down in a chair with a DFP sitting in front of me mounted half ass'd on a few pieces of wood playing a racing game... I'd probably go in the next room and kill myself.

There's nothing wrong with playing with a DS2....

I think the same thing. No offence to the people that have paid for those racing seats with the DFP, and a frame to hold it all, but that is too hardcore gaming for me! I prefer kicking up my feet with a few cans chilling with GT4!

So it has been decided N1 tyres are the most realistic tyre for accurate lap times. What about the raving tyres? Which tyre will create the most accurate lap times? More testing lads

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Don't flame the DS2...

I'm sorry, but if my GF or parents walked in on me sitting down in a chair with a DFP sitting in front of me mounted half ass'd on a few pieces of wood playing a racing game... I'd probably go in the next room and kill myself.

There's nothing wrong with playing with a DS2...

I agree with you on the DS2. I could do so much with the $150 it would cost me to buy a steering wheel. I'd rather buy an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator for my Turbo T-Bird or buy some stocks. I neither need/want a DFP for GT4 -- not necessary.

Mrktmrkt, to a certain extent. Honestly, if GT4 was 1% off of real life, not many people here would get very far into the GAME. I'd be willing to bet my car that most of this board (including myself) can't handle a 600hp+ car on a track and do well. Yes its nice to have it pretty close to real life, but not too close. Keep in mind this is a game, and games are suppose to be fun.

This may sounds contradictory but even though I don't want a steering wheel (which is suppose to add to the realism), I want some aspect of the simulator be as real as possible. If you want to have fun you can always upgrade the tires to N2s, N3s, S1 etc. When I'm playing Flight Sim for example, I have the ability to adjust the realism -- and that's what I think GT4 should have (at least with the tires anyway). If N1s bring the car closest to real-life handling, then that is what I want.

Also, if GT4 was suppose to be a "game" in that sense, touting it as a "Real Driving Simulator" is not only a misnomer, but false advertising.

 

[Taneras]

This may sounds contradictory but even though I don't want a steering wheel (which is suppose to add to the realism), I want some aspect of the simulator be as real as possible. If you want to have fun you can always upgrade the tires to N2s, N3s, S1 etc. When I'm playing Flight Sim for example, I have the ability to adjust the realism -- and that's what I think GT4 should have (at least with the tires anyway). If N1s bring the car closest to real-life handling, then that is what I want.

Also, if GT4 was suppose to be a "game" in that sense, touting it as a "Real Driving Simulator" is not only a misnomer, but false advertising.

That comment was made pretty much for a few words in the quoted phrase I got from you, sorry shoulda specified.

You said "The more real it is, the better".

I agree with that to a certain extent. Yea its great to have acutal cars with accurate handleing, weight, hp, tq, gear ratio's, drivetrains, etc. But there is a line between games and simulators. IMO a simulator is a game that mimics real life down to the T, in other words 99% of this board couldn't handle F1 cars in a F1 race and win anything. I like my games real, but I also like them fun. I think if they get too real, they lose their "fun factor".

 

[SaintKamus]

Don't flame the DS2...

I'm sorry, but if my GF or parents walked in on me sitting down in a chair with a DFP sitting in front of me mounted half ass'd on a few pieces of wood playing a racing game... I'd probably go in the next room and kill myself.

There's nothing wrong with playing with a DS2...

Mrktmrkt, to a certain extent. Honestly, if GT4 was 1% off of real life, not many people here would get very far into the GAME. I'd be willing to bet my car that most of this board (including myself) can't handle a 600hp+ car on a track and do well. Yes its nice to have it pretty close to real life, but not too close. Keep in mind this is a game, and games are suppose to be fun.

nothing against DS2 players, but i would never play GT4 with it. or any other sim, DS2 is fine for burnout 3. any other type of game.
but for those of us who care about realisim and not about what our mother in law would think of us, DFP is the only way to go.
-_-;

 

[SaintKamus]

I think the same thing. No offence to the people that have paid for those racing seats with the DFP, and a frame to hold it all, but that is too hardcore gaming for me! I prefer kicking up my feet with a few cans chilling with GT4!

So it has been decided N1 tyres are the most realistic tyre for accurate lap times. What about the raving tyres? Which tyre will create the most accurate lap times? More testing lads

When was this decided? O_o

 

[Taneras]

nothing against DS2 players, but i would never play GT4 with it. or any other sim, DS2 is fine for burnout 3. any other type of game.
but for those of us who care about realisim and not about what our mother in law would think of us, DFP is the only way to go.
-_-;

If your looking for realism, don't play a game... 👍

 

[MrktMkr1986]

If your looking for realism, don't play a game... 👍

Agreed -- as I said, I can think a better way to spend $150 (FPR)... what I want is game that is "as realistic as possible"...

 

[SaintKamus]

That comment was made pretty much for a few words in the quoted phrase I got from you, sorry shoulda specified.

You said "The more real it is, the better".

I agree with that to a certain extent. Yea its great to have acutal cars with accurate handleing, weight, hp, tq, gear ratio's, drivetrains, etc. But there is a line between games and simulators. IMO a simulator is a game that mimics real life down to the T, in other words 99% of this board couldn't handle F1 cars in a F1 race and win anything. I like my games real, but I also like them fun. I think if they get too real, they lose their "fun factor".

PD is aware of this, KY is even considering separete versions in future games.. one for casual gamers, and a full simulation version, i like my racing games as real as they can get, if that means finishing 4th place most of the time that's just fine, i like challenges, not just getting all golds, that's just not realistic... not even the best driver on earth can win evry race they participate in. the AI needs tons of work, and if they get it good enough they will just have to make the game in a way that you can finish it with out being the best, if your avarage, then you should be placing on avarage, not first, but you should still be able to finish the game.
as far as the handling goes... i hate dumbed down controls, and high powered race cars seem to be dumbed down in GT4.. they are kinda easy to drive, comparing them do race cars on GTR they feel too arcadish, stock street cars are fine though, they feel a lot more realistic.
i don't care if i couldn't handle an F1 the way an F1 driver would, but i would like too see just how slow i am compared to one, and in GT4 this just isn't possible.
And remember, for people that find the game "too real" KY made B-Spec.
in the end separete versions of the game will be the best way to go.
Enthusia promises realsim even on the race cars.. i can't wait to try it out.

 

[SaintKamus]

If your looking for realism, don't play a game... 👍

Ok, i won't play a "game" howbout a "sim" or i'll do the real thing, but will you finance it for me then? (that's what i tought.) Tyres are expensive, crashes are more expensive, tuning your car is expensive, track time is expensive, oh yeah, and if i crash in a simulator i won't get hurt or die.
any more questions as to why i want my "game" realsitic?
i think i covered all bases, if i can get a life-like thrill from playing a sim, which is safe, costs less (110 bucks for DFP is dirt cheap compared to having to buy new tyres each "track day")
oh, and will you please buy me a Ford GT, an S2000, an RX8, an M3 CSL and all of the cars i like in my game? that's what i tought. want more reasons? there are tons more, but i think you get the point.

 

[MrktMkr1986]

PD is aware of this, KY is even considering separete versions in future games..

That's the way it should be.

one for casual gamers, and a full simulation version, i like my racing games as real as they can get, if that means finishing 4th place most of the time that's just fine, i like challenges, not just getting all golds, that's just not realistic...

My thoughts exactly. 👍

not even the best driver on earth can win evry race they participate in. the AI needs tons of work, and if they get it good enough they will just have to make the game in a way that you can finish it with out being the best, if your avarage, then you should be placing on avarage, not first, but you should still be able to finish the game.
as far as the handling goes... i hate dumbed down controls, and high powered race cars seem to be dumbed down in GT4.. they are kinda easy to drive, comparing them do race cars on GTR they feel too arcadish, stock street cars are fine though, they feel a lot more realistic.
i don't care if i couldn't handle an F1 the way an F1 driver would, but i would like too see just how slow i am compared to one, and in GT4 this just isn't possible.
And remember, for people that find the game "too real" KY made B-Spec.
in the end separete versions of the game will be the best way to go.
Enthusia promises realsim even on the race cars.. i can't wait to try it out.

Well said...

 

[MrktMkr1986]

Ok, i won't play a "game" howbout a "sim" or i'll do the real thing, but will you finance it for me then? (that's what i tought.) Tyres are expensive, crashes are more expensive, tuning your car is expensive, track time is expensive, oh yeah, and if i crash in a simulator i won't get hurt or die.
any more questions as to why i want my "game" realsitic?
i think i covered all bases, if i can get a life-like thrill from playing a sim, which is safe, costs less (110 bucks for DFP is dirt cheap compared to having to buy new tyres each "track day")
oh, and will you please buy me a Ford GT, an S2000, an RX8, an M3 CSL and all of the cars i like in my game? that's what i tought. want more reasons? there are tons more, but i think you get the point.

Reality is always going to be more expensive and riskier, but having the actual experience, I think is better than spending $110-150-220 on a video game.

 

[Taneras]

Ok, i won't play a "game" howbout a "sim" or i'll do the real thing, but will you finance it for me then? (that's what i tought.) Tyres are expensive, crashes are more expensive, tuning your car is expensive, track time is expensive, oh yeah, and if i crash in a simulator i won't get hurt or die.
any more questions as to why i want my "game" realsitic?
i think i covered all bases, if i can get a life-like thrill from playing a sim, which is safe, costs less (110 bucks for DFP is dirt cheap compared to having to buy new tyres each "track day")
oh, and will you please buy me a Ford GT, an S2000, an RX8, an M3 CSL and all of the cars i like in my game? that's what i tought. want more reasons? there are tons more, but i think you get the point.

First off you need to unwad your panties...

Secondly you need to realize your buying a 50 dollar game, for a 150 dollar console. And your not going to get anywhere near real life by throwing in 110 more dollars.

I don't have to finance anything for you because I am not the one who is obsessed with realism. When I get GT4, I'm gonna invite a few friends over, were gonna snack on chips and drinks, and have fun. If you wanna sit there in your racing chair with your DFP, and rock back and forth pretening that your really driving a Ford GT or whatever your driving, then by all means go ahead. Just lock your door 👍