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Something just hit me like a ton of bricks

If the V8 Supercars can travel to the United States and put on a points paying race, why can't or why doesn't NASCAR leave the United States with it's top series for a points paying race?

I know money is always an issue but if the V8 Supercars can do I would hope NASCAR's top series could as well. If they have to leave back a couple of smaller teams and go with a 36 car grid then so be it. The exposure overseas will be worth it
 
Something just hit me like a ton of bricks

If the V8 Supercars can travel to the United States and put on a points paying race, why can't or why doesn't NASCAR leave the United States with it's top series for a points paying race?

I know money is always an issue but if the V8 Supercars can do I would hope NASCAR's top series could as well. If they have to leave back a couple of smaller teams and go with a 36 car grid then so be it. The exposure overseas will be worth it

As I recall, NASCAR is sort of built around Oval racing. The only non-US oval I can think of off the top of my head is Motegi.

They COULD go to a road course, but that could be tough. Drop money on a fly-away race, and have only a few days to get Seat time and a car setup on a track you've never seen before. The chances of the track being one which 2 or 3 of the drivers have extensive knowledge of, or someone stumbling onto the perfect set-up, would mean that someone could quickly run away with the race. On a road course pretty much anywhere else in the world, Montoya would have an advantage in just knowing the circuit layouts better than everyone else. Im SURE that would be invaluable.

Logistically, I think the easiest foreign race would be in Great Britain, or perhaps France, as they are the closest to the East Coast, where all the teams are. Perhaps Japan, but I really dont see most of Continental Europe as a possibility, just based on logistics.
 
As I recall, NASCAR is sort of built around Oval racing. The only non-US oval I can think of off the top of my head is Motegi.

They COULD go to a road course, but that could be tough. Drop money on a fly-away race, and have only a few days to get Seat time and a car setup on a track you've never seen before. The chances of the track being one which 2 or 3 of the drivers have extensive knowledge of, or someone stumbling onto the perfect set-up, would mean that someone could quickly run away with the race. On a road course pretty much anywhere else in the world, Montoya would have an advantage in just knowing the circuit layouts better than everyone else. Im SURE that would be invaluable.

Logistically, I think the easiest foreign race would be in Great Britain, or perhaps France, as they are the closest to the East Coast, where all the teams are. Perhaps Japan, but I really dont see most of Continental Europe as a possibility, just based on logistics.

Lausitzring in Germany and Rockingham in GB would also be possibilities, but logistics wouldn't really merit going there.
 
Phakisa in South Africa, but it's a Vegas-style 1.5 miler. There's Montlhery near Paris, but their oval is right turns and I'm not sure if it's in good shape.
 
There's nothing that would stop them from running the oval the other way.

I think it's more that NASCAR doesn't want to go into untested waters. Although I'm pretty sure they'd get good crowds where ever they went.

I believe Bahrain was trying to get a NASCAR series to the track a few years ago as I believe there is a potential layout for an oval there, albeit a completely flat oval.

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With the layout of the road course, I don't think it would be feasible to have an actual oval layout used there.
 
I hope you guys are watching practice. Brad Keselowski signed his first name on one of the cameras that SPEED was using. :lol:
 
I think back in the 80s NASCAR did a demonstration race at Calder Park, Australia. I think they ran it in December or something. So it is possible
 
As much as some people want them to go over seas, I doubt it ever happens again. It was financial loss from those races from what I heard.

V8 are used to traveling, even if not that far, and they have pretty good setup to do it with.
 
If the V8 Supercars can travel to the United States and put on a points paying race, why can't or why doesn't NASCAR leave the United States with it's top series for a points paying race?
But is there a market for NASCAR to go overseas?

NASCAR does have a reputation for being popular with rednecks, and as being boring oval-based racing. Now, whether or not that is representative of the truth is beside the point - the fact that it has that reputation in the first place is a serious barrier an international race would have to overcome. There are a handful of oval circuits outside the States that could handle NASCAR (Motegi, Lausitz and Rockingham all spring to mind), but if there is no market for those races, then there is no point in spending all that money setting it up an flying everyone out there.

V8 Supercars is coming to America for two reasons: firstly, the organisers feel that there is a market for the category. After all, there isn't much in the way of circuit-based touring cars in America when oval-based stock cars are so popular. And secondly, V8 Supercars has saturated its domestic market. The sport continues to grow, but there are no more circuits that could host the racing. They've either been bulldozed (like Oran Park), are too small (like Mallala), are incredibly expensive and/or unpopular (like Hamilton) or are in markets where there is no real forecast for growth (like Hampton Downs; one race in New Zealand - not at Pukekohe - is thought to be enough).

So V8 Supercars Australia really have four options: 1) they can start building more permanent circuits, but this is very, very expensive and will take years for them to be ready while in the meantime, the category stagnates; 2) they can start introducing more and more street circuits to the calendar, but between Adelaide, Homebush Bay, Townsville, Surfers Paradise and Hamilton, it is felt that the series already has enough; 3) they can start visiting circuits twice in one year, and while this hasn't really been explored much, I can't imagine it would be too popular; or 4) they can start to push into overseas markets. They're going to Austin, and there is also talk that the category could visit Mexico City, the Philippines (there's an old US Air Force base that has been converted into a racing circuit), India, Singapore (they've been variously rumoured to be a support bill for Formula 1, or racing on a purpose-built circuit at Changi that never seems to have been constructed) and even a street circuit in Hong Kong.

Obviously, they feel that there is enough of a market overseas to justify these moves. V8 Supercars is broadcast (albeit with two-week delays) in America, and Bathurst was broadcast live last year (and I've heard they might do it again this year). Even with Marcos Ambrose racing in NASCAR and getting a reputation as one of the best road course racers the category has ever seen (at least, that's the way it's being reported down here), I just can't imagine that NASCAR would make the same impact into the Australian sporting consciousness.
 
As much as some people want them to go over seas, I doubt it ever happens again. It was financial loss from those races from what I heard.

V8 are used to traveling, even if not that far, and they have pretty good setup to do it with.

Precisely. The V8 Supercars are already used to travelling overseas for points-races. They have a system set up for it. NASCAR is rooted to it's rigs and trailers. You also have to take into account that the NASCAR schedule is tightly packed. They're racing 36 weeks out of the year, with two months off in the winter. There's a handful of off-weeks during the regular season, but there just isn't enough time to send cars over the big blue for any race, let-alone a points paying one.

The only way you'll ever see NASCAR overseas is either in an exhibition, which is a fat-chance. Or they send the Nationwide series over, but again there's the prospect of financials and the risk that some of the top talent that often visits the Nationwide series will skip out... leaving the Nationwide regulars and a bunch of one-offs to fill the seats of the few cars that undoubtedly make the trip.

Bottom line: Like everyone else has pointed out, the home market is too good to go exploring into new territories. Heck, Nationwide couldn't even keep up the trips to Mexico anymore, or Mexico just couldn't justify trying to lure them down. Not happening anytime soon.
 
They stopped going to Mexico City because the whole point to begin with was to gain popularity there for a Mexican based series and they've successfully done that.
 
I wish NASCAR would come back to Calder Park, it's the only thing big enough to bring the money to re-surface the Thunderdome - One of the main things preventing it from being used. Could also spark interest to get people to want to race there, only the category I race has shown enough interest to make it viable (HQ's)
 
I wish NASCAR would come back to Calder Park, it's the only thing big enough to bring the money to re-surface the Thunderdome - One of the main things preventing it from being used. Could also spark interest to get people to want to race there, only the category I race has shown enough interest to make it viable (HQ's)

I think that unless it has the safer barrier, then there's a good chance it probably won't happen.

Rockingham was a big NASCAR circuit up until 2004. It's only recently been re-added to the Truck-series schedule thanks to updates like the Safer Barrier, etc.

There are plenty of ovals in the U.S. that don't see NASCAR action for this very reason. And they've generally fallen into dis-use or are used for their road-course sections or even testing. (Pikes Peak and Texas World Speedway being examples of this). ITT: Thunderdome would need to get revamped BEFORE NASCAR comes down.
 
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I think that unless it has the safer barrier, then there's a good chance it probably won't happen.

Rockingham was a big NASCAR circuit up until 2004. It's only recently been re-added to the Truck-series schedule thanks to updates like the Safer Barrier, etc.

There are plenty of ovals in the U.S. that don't see NASCAR action for this very reason. And they've generally fallen into dis-use or are used for their road-course sections or even testing. (Pikes Peak and Texas World Speedway being examples of this). ITT: Thunderdome would need to get revamped BEFORE NASCAR comes down.

The place needs a LOT of work. And that's before you mentioned the safer barrier, I forgot about that.
It would be amazing if they came though, I dont think there would be any problem with it being sold out.
 
I think that unless it has the safer barrier, then there's a good chance it probably won't happen.

Rockingham was a big NASCAR circuit up until 2004. It's only recently been re-added to the Truck-series schedule thanks to updates like the Safer Barrier, etc.

There are plenty of ovals in the U.S. that don't see NASCAR action for this very reason. And they've generally fallen into dis-use or are used for their road-course sections or even testing. (Pikes Peak and Texas World Speedway being examples of this). ITT: Thunderdome would need to get revamped BEFORE NASCAR comes down.

From what I've seen, Pikes Pieak has actually been updated and reopened its oval section. I could see the Nationwide series returning there.
 
Personally, I hope that after the CWTS race this year, they gradually reintroduce 'The Rock' into all the national NASCAR series.
 
And holy s*** man, I didn't know Aussies in the V8Supercar series do burnouts when ever they win like in Nascar!
 
Personally, I hope that after the CWTS race this year, they gradually reintroduce 'The Rock' into all the national NASCAR series.

I'm not sure it would be possible with how the track is currently in Middle of Nowhere, North Carolina. I think everyone would welcome it, but there's a lack of hotels and other needed businesses in the area of the track. Pretty sure NASCAR would want the track built up a bit more in terms of spectator seating and such.
 
I'm not sure it would be possible with how the track is currently in Middle of Nowhere, North Carolina. I think everyone would welcome it, but there's a lack of hotels and other needed businesses in the area of the track. Pretty sure NASCAR would want the track built up a bit more in terms of spectator seating and such.

Yeah, that's the kind of thing that's killed other speedways before.

If they gradually build the schedule up; say run the trucks there for a few years, then slowly introduce Nationwide, within 5-10 years there could be Cup racing back at Rockingham. Wishful thinking but I do hope it manages to make a comeback.
 
I agree. With it being a unique track, it would be nice to have it on the schedule again.

North Wilkesboro Speedway would be nice to have back, but after seeing it on Top Gear, it would need a ton of modernization to bring back to good condition. Actually, there's a picture of it on the wikipedia page from 2011 and it looks like it's been improved a bit, at least the track surface. They should consider running the CWTS there.

Edit: Upon reading that page, it appears that the track has been closed yet again.
 
I was going to mention North Wilkesboro in my previous post but I wasn't even sure if it was still operational considering the turbulent recent history of the track. It's been on and off for the past few years it seems.
 
I agree. With it being a unique track, it would be nice to have it on the schedule again.

North Wilkesboro Speedway would be nice to have back, but after seeing it on Top Gear, it would need a ton of modernization to bring back to good condition. Actually, there's a picture of it on the wikipedia page from 2011 and it looks like it's been improved a bit, at least the track surface. They should consider running the CWTS there.

Edit: Upon reading that page, it appears that the track has been closed yet again.

Rockingham really had very little to do to update them to current standards, N. Wilkesboro has to basically rebuild the whole place if you ask me. It is owned by the city, and just really too far from anything worthy to bring anything back than local short track racing.

I doubt we ever see Cup back at Rockingham too, as someone said it lacks most stuff needed for fans (granted Darlington is pretty much the same if you didn't have Florance/I95 close by for that).
 
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