NASCAR - bump-drafting vs slingshot-drafting

[iamjajo]

It depends. Some friends and I set up our cars to work together, so the gearing is matched for the push car and the lead car. For us bump drafting is faster

But some cars - random people in the race - may not have a good set up for bump drafting. In this case leap frogging can be faster

But my fastest lap times are from bump drafting.

 

[watermelon punch]

But some cars - random people in the race - may not have a good set up for bump drafting. In this case leap frogging can be faster

Yeah, I think that's the issue I've seen in the Low HP League at times when slingshotting with the leap frog method was faster.
It had a lot to do with being in different model cars, & not going very fast to begin with perhaps.
And this probably does not apply at all to NASCAR stock cars, or perhaps other 1-make races.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

It depends. Some friends and I set up our cars to work together, so the gearing is matched for the push car and the lead car. For us bump drafting is faster

But some cars - random people in the race - may not have a good set up for bump drafting. In this case leap frogging can be faster

But my fastest lap times are from bump drafting.

Correct. I forgot to mention this in my previos posts. My team mate and I have run some of the fastest 2 car laps on GT5 at Daytona because of the way we set up are cars to run together. I have been running with him since launch therefor we have a great deal of experience together which helps alot also.

 

[Bhowe83]

In my NASCAR lobbies you have to be insane not to bump draft. I run restrictor plates in my room, and if you don't have a partner while making a move, you will be a sitting duck

 

[will-i-am]

Two cars bump drafting will always be faster than one car. And yes, they did change the draft. You can have the effects set to strong or weak in your lobby settings.

Right on, thanks KB. I think even before the option to set to weak or strong draft, they changed something about bumb drafting. I think when they were trying to fix the ghosting problem.


This is what I was trying to say. Two cars catching the leader or lead pack. I figure if two are in the lead the best is to bumb, but what about say 3rd and 4 th catching up.

Bottom line:

In GT5 if I am way behind the leader on the race track and I'm only close to 1 other car.

Will it be quicker to catch up by bump drafting?
Or will it be quicker to catch up by perpetually slingshotting each other?

I've been eager to know that answer for a long time, and I'm not sure anyone's ever actually done the test.

The second option. Bump drafting doesn't work as it should in GT5.

 

[PhillGuy]

example of how they do it in real life, btw bump draft i would say!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ibsjj6VjlfE#!

Oh good god that really do push each other to go faster. I always thought this was lame and a failing in the game but if it's real I guess it's OK???

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Oh good god that really do push each other to go faster. I always thought this was lame and a failing in the game but if it's real I guess it's OK???

Yep, thats how its done. And if you will take notice who won that race....take a bow KB. (This is the point where all you Kyle Busch haters come in now, lol.)
Seriously tho, I always find it funny when noobs come in my room and start complaining because they think people are trying to wreck them because they are getting bumped from behind. They don't understand that getting pushed is a good thing. Alot of people don't really understand the cocept of bump drafting in NASCAR. I have been a long time follower of NASCAR since the middle 70's and have met quite a few drivers and other people involved in NASCAR over the years. I live a few miles from MIS and go to all the races.
Off topic, but a quick story on how Kyle Busch became my favorite. I used to work at a bar a few miles from the track. In 2007 I think it was, KB and some of his pit crew came in the bar. It was the Aug. race weekend. He was drinking soda but I guess he just wanted to hang out with his crew. Anyways, I got introduced to him and ened up talking to him for almost an hour after the bar closed. Even tho he was really immature then, he was a really nice kid. He has a great sense of humor and almost had me pissing my pants I was laughing so hard. Two other drivers (Johnny Benson and Elliott Sadler) came into the bar that night but it was KB who won the crowd over and was the one that was down to earth and didn't have the attitude like he was better than anyone else. Been a fan ever since, plus the kid can drive the wheels off a race car!!
Anyways, just a little of my life for ya while servers are down. Peace.

 

[iamsupernasty]

Don't need numbers as I got experience to prove it. I've been in every situation and have tried everything known to man as far as NASCAR racing goes on GT5. Not saying I'm an expert, but I know what works and what don't.

Well my friend, it would appear that Akira does disagree with you. As a result, perhaps we do actually need numbers to prove definitively one way or another.

Maybe the answer depends on the type of car? Maybe either can be faster depending on the situation? I for one would love to see tangible evidence rather than experience and opinions; unfortunately I don't have the time to do the tests myself.

The second option. Bump drafting doesn't work as it should in GT5.

 

[shirakawaa]

The most clear experience of bump drafting not working correctly I had has been in SSRX rooms with NASCAR cars. Slingshotting would cause a much greater speed increase than bump drafting, which appears to "brake" the car compared to the other method, and this becomes obvious at very high speeds.

 

[watermelon punch]

As a result, perhaps we do actually need numbers to prove definitively one way or another.

Maybe the answer depends on the type of car? Maybe either can be faster depending on the situation? I for one would love to see tangible evidence rather than experience and opinions; unfortunately I don't have the time to do the tests myself.

I would be interested in some definitive tests.
Especially involving different speed cars. Like is it the same if your top speed ever is only less than 130mph? Is it only the case in 1-make races.

I totally believe the part about setting up cars to be bump draft partners.
Thing is, then you have to wonder about mixed make racing.
Say in shuffle cars... what if you're driving the Yellow Bird.

But not only have I not had the time...
It would take a couple of people to do these tests since it involves drafting. 💡

 

[RedPartyhat]

Slingshotting will be too complicated for Daytona as it will require very long distance from the car you are sling shooting with so you can achieve maximum speeds. If for any reason the second place car isn't far behind enough of the car in first, second place car won't have enough momentum to pass AND create enough distance so the new second place car can repeat the process. (If you understood it was hard to explain =\) Sling-shooting at Daytona will just end up both cars just going side by side with each-other which make lap times worse for both cars. The fastest way for two NASCARs at Daytona is to just always keep low line (both cars) and consistently bump draft (even on turns)

 

[watermelon punch]

Slingshotting will be too complicated for Daytona as it will require very long distance from the car you are sling shooting with so you can achieve maximum speeds. If for any reason the second place car isn't far behind enough of the car in first, second place car won't have enough momentum to pass AND create enough distance so the new second place car can repeat the process. (If you understood it was hard to explain =\) Sling-shooting at Daytona will just end up both cars just going side by side with each-other which make lap times worse for both cars. The fastest way for two NASCARs at Daytona is to just always keep low line (both cars) and consistently bump draft (even on turns)

This applies to NASCAR stock cars.

But does it apply to all cars?
Like vintage muscle cars, or in a shuffle race... etc.?

This:

Slingshotting will be too complicated for Daytona as it will require very long distance from the car you are sling shooting with so you can achieve maximum speeds.

Certainly means nothing if you're on an oval in kei cars.

Low HP Racing League
I won this race by being in 3rd on the last lap, and double drafting the 2 lead cars sling shotting around them.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Lets be clear, I am only talking about running NASCAR cars at Daytona. I can't speak for other types of cars as I have little experience racing anyting other than NASCAR cars at Daytona. For those that think that slingshotting their way to the front works, tell you what. My friend and I will use the drafting method and whever believes slingshotting works, we'll race. I guarantee you we will win everytime, that should be prove enough for you. Let me know and I'll set up the race, 10 laps or more. Not trying to sound like an elitist or anything else but I have been racing NASCAR at Daytona far too long to have somebody tell me any different. Again, I am only talking about NASCAR cars at Daytona. The proof is in the pudding, now who wants some, lol.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

The most clear experience of bump drafting not working correctly I had has been in SSRX rooms with NASCAR cars. Slingshotting would cause a much greater speed increase than bump drafting, which appears to "brake" the car compared to the other method, and this becomes obvious at very high speeds.

Slingshotting works at this track because it is much, much larger than Daytona. I am only talking about Daytona. Try it there and you'll lose every time.

 

[RedPartyhat]

This applies to NASCAR stock cars.

But does it apply to all cars?
Like vintage muscle cars, or in a shuffle race... etc.?

This:



Certainly means nothing if you're on an oval in kei cars.

Low HP Racing League
I won this race by being in 3rd on the last lap, and double drafting the 2 lead cars sling shotting around them.

Well the title asks for NASCARs

 

[watermelon punch]

Well the title asks for NASCARs

1. Why comment at all if you're not going to bother answering my question?
   I only made the comment because you mention that you're talking about NASCARs stock cars as an afterthought... after you lay down the grit, as if it applies across the board. Which I'm not 100% sure it does, but I'm very interested in knowing one way or another. I don't think I'm the only one. If you don't know you don't know, then just say so.
   
   
2. The OP says "racing a lot of NASCAR..." not "NASCARs"... which to me, could mean NASCAR style racing, which is very common online with vintage muscle cars, shuffle racing, etc... OP did not specify NASCARs only.

 

[RedPartyhat]

1. The OP says "racing a lot of NASCAR..." not "NASCARs"... which to me, could mean NASCAR style racing, which is very common online with vintage muscle cars, shuffle racing, etc... OP did not specify NASCARs only.

So you have a problem with me saying NASCAR as plural..?

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

The correct term when talking about these cars is NASCAR cars. You could say stock cars, but then you could be talking about just about anything. There is no such term as NASCAR's as NASCAR stands for National Association of Stock Car Automobile Racing. NASCAR is not a car. If someone says, "I race alot of NASCAR", I take it to mean they race NASCAR cars. Hope this clears things up for you guys.

 

[watermelon punch]

So you have a problem with me saying NASCAR as plural..?

Apparently we were both wrong.

 

[MTLclllutch]

cars dont overheat and lose power in gt so bump clearly